When are we saved ?

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ForestGreenCook said:
We are told to believe in him, but not for the cause of getting eternal life.

2 Tim 2:13, For if they believe not, yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself.
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You keep quoting that verse . But its for those in christ , not unbelievers.
 
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OIC1965 said:
If people can say my posts sound Calvinistic, I can say that some people’s posts sound like people think that we give God the power or authority to save us.

Not speaking of you personally

Faith is not something that earns points with God. We are granted the right to believe by God.

The faith that pleases God pleases Him because the righteousness of the Son who pleased and pleases the Father is imputed to us.

I will boast in what Christ has done...and that alone!
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6But without faith it is impossible to please him:
 
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OIC1965 said:
Is it our faith that is righteous or is Christ’s righteousness and perfect obedience imputed to us when we believe?
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Thats actually an interesting study. We definitely know that its our faith is counted for righteousness."
 
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throughfaith said:
Thats actually an interesting study. We definitely know that its our faith is counted for righteousness."
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There’s a reason why Christ fulfilled all righteousness. He said “ this it behooves us to fulfill all righteousness”

And it is written “ His Name shall be called “ The LORD our Righteousness”.

And He became sin for us so that we could’ve made the righteousness of God in Him

And Christ is made for us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification and redemption
 
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lenna said:
well what happened to 'whosoever will'?

the scripture does NOT state whosoever will can be chosen

smh

maybe you now have me on ignore but this error is one of a good number pointed out to you yesterday and the reason people kept questioning what exactly it is you believe
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I have not once denied the fact that “whosoever will may believe”. In fact, I have stated that same fact several times. You think my post denies whosoever will, because you are holding to a false dichotomy of either unconditional election to salvation or no election to salvation. That is a false dichotomy, because those are not the only two possibilities.

You obviously have not done any meaningful study on the words eklektos or eklego or proginosko. This seems to be the case with many.

Ever heard of elect according to the foreknowledge of God?
 
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OIC1965 said:
I have not once denied the fact that “whosoever will may believe”. In fact, I have stated that same fact several times. You think my post denies whosoever will, because you are holding to a false dichotomy of either unconditional election to salvation or no election to salvation. That is a false dichotomy, because those are not the only two possibilities.

You obviously have not done any meaningful study on the words eklektos or eklego or proginosko. This seems to be the case with many.

Ever heard of elect according to the foreknowledge of God?
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I don't think anything but you do give a person pause

you are so back and forth in what you believe a person could get whiplash reading your posts

you are not believable
 
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OIC1965 said:
Our faith has NO VALUE of itself. It is Christ that gives it value.
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well that is not what God told Abraham

Abrahams faith was accounted to him as righteousness; he believed God

Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:6

Jesus was not yet born

maybe go and study like you tell others to do.

but then again it does not seem to have helped so far
 
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EleventhHour said:
Where is that in scripture?
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I think he copy/pastes things to agree or make it look like he is not in agreement with Calvinism, then, he comes up with these ideas
from some parallel universe and starts with the cloned Calvinistic doctrine

he does not have to call himself a follower of Calvin to share either all or some of the beliefs

he certainly believes we do not have a choice

but he is not a Calvinist. just believes like one. other people here have said the same but believed the doctrine

anyway, take him at his word. he is not a Calvinist; he just believes like one

OIC1965 said:
Ever heard of elect according to the foreknowledge of God?
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not Calvinistic at all. not at all :censored:

we are not all nuts here. and now we have 2 spirits of God. the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost. you can't make this stuff up

anyway, he is the one who has to live with it
 
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