When are we saved ?

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OIC1965 said:
I used to believe EVERYTHING the Bible says, but I didn't care less about it. Was I saved?
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Thats irrelevant to this discussion. Your using inductive reasoning im using inductive method. The latter deals with what the bible actually says ,not what is deducted.
 
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If you are predestinated to Glorification, you are automatically predestined to conversion. Because you will not be glorified if you are not converted.

Where does it say in the bible that predestination comes after salvation?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Were the Foreknown in Romans 8:29-30 ELECT? See verse 33

You are completely butchering the Bible.
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Again I said that was not my view . Some see those that he Foreknew where the old testament saints. But they also like the Ot saints will like wise be ....ect .
 
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OIC1965 said:
If you are predestinated to Glorification, you are automatically predestined to conversion. Because you will not be glorified if you are not converted.

Where does it say in the bible that predestination comes after salvation?
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In all the places the word shows up .
 
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OIC1965 said:
Why do you keep saying that foreknow in 1 Peter refers to only Jews then? Romans 8 shows that God foreknew all believers.

And don't you even KNOW that only the elect are predestined to be glorified

. So obviously, Romans 8 is talking about the elect. \\

It even says so in verse 33
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If you think Peter is a message to the gentiles ( majority ) you need to re read lol . The 'elect 'Peter is referring to is obviously Jews . How many times are the jews referred to as God's elect ? come on let's be serious. We haven't replaced ISRAEL .
 
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The question is "where does the Bible say we were predestined BEFORE conversion. The answer is Romans 8:28-30

Now your question...where does the Bible say we were predestined AFTER CONVERSION?
 
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throughfaith said:
If you think Peter is a message to the gentiles ( majority ) you need to re read lol . The 'elect 'Peter is referring to is obviously Jews . How many times are the jews referred to as God's elect ? come on let's be serious. We haven't replaced ISRAEL .
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So the Jews are called God's elect alot. That doesn't mean we're not God's elect. The Jews are called God's people alot too. Does that mean we're not God's people. You're arguments are very shallow right now.
 
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OIC1965 said:
If you are predestinated to Glorification, you are automatically predestined to conversion. Because you will not be glorified if you are not converted.

Where does it say in the bible that predestination comes after salvation?
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Deductive reasoning. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is God . Therefore Mary is the mother of God . Tadarrrr !
 
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OIC1965 said:
So the Jews are called God's elect alot. That doesn't mean we're not God's elect. The Jews are called God's people alot too. Does that mean we're not God's people. You're arguments are very shallow right now.
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Deductive reasoning again . This is as shallow as it gets using this hermanutic
 
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OIC1965 said:
So the Jews are called God's elect alot. That doesn't mean we're not God's elect. The Jews are called God's people alot too. Does that mean we're not God's people. You're arguments are very shallow right now.
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Do you have a verse that says that you are predestined to glorification?
 
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throughfaith said:
Deductive reasoning. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is God . Therefore Mary is the mother of God . Tadarrrr !
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One verse that says predestination before conversion. Just one, Mr. Inductive
 
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OIC1965 said:
So the Jews are called God's elect alot. That doesn't mean we're not God's elect. The Jews are called God's people alot too. Does that mean we're not God's people. You're arguments are very shallow right now.
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Israel Gods firstborn son God foreknows. His elect.
 
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throughfaith said:
There isn't one . Its after. What's the purpose of predestination to conversion if your not a calvinst?
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I’m sorry. Typo. One passage that says predestination happens after we’re saved. Just one. Bet you won’t find one.

If the Bible doesn’t say that predestination happens after salvation, your argument will fail.
 
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