Was it God that was preventing the rich young ruler from coming to Jesus? No. It was HIS LOVE OF MONEY that was preventing him from coming to Jesus, right? SO are you saying that unsaved people by nature now are LESS SINFUL and LOVE THEIR SIN LESS after the cross then they were before the cross? Because the only thing that was preventing the man from coming to Jesus was his love of money? RIGHT?
When are we saved ?
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[QUOTE="throughfaith, post: 4397360, member: 300037"
[/QUOTE]If that was all what certain traditions and denominations meant by previenient grace ,but they don't. They teach that a ' partial regeneration ' or a to be made free in some sense to be able to believe with the choice also to resist. Some couch this in different terms but essentially the same idea . Because they hold to the T. Like i said before when I posted the flowers clip . Also the other guy does one on ' Jacob Arminius ' .[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
What prevented the rich young ruler from coming to Jesus in the passage above? His love of money.
Are unsaved people any different today that they were before the cross?
If a person's sin and unbelief is the ONLY reason they will not come to Christ, what changed after the cross as far as man's willingness to come to Jesus?
[/QUOTE]If that was all what certain traditions and denominations meant by previenient grace ,but they don't. They teach that a ' partial regeneration ' or a to be made free in some sense to be able to believe with the choice also to resist. Some couch this in different terms but essentially the same idea . Because they hold to the T. Like i said before when I posted the flowers clip . Also the other guy does one on ' Jacob Arminius ' .[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
What prevented the rich young ruler from coming to Jesus in the passage above? His love of money.
Are unsaved people any different today that they were before the cross?
If a person's sin and unbelief is the ONLY reason they will not come to Christ, what changed after the cross as far as man's willingness to come to Jesus?
Was it God that was preventing the rich young ruler from coming to Jesus? No. It was HIS LOVE OF MONEY that was preventing him from coming to Jesus, right? SO are you saying that unsaved people by nature now are LESS SINFUL and LOVE THEIR SIN LESS after the cross then they were before the cross? Because the only thing that was preventing the man from coming to Jesus was his love of money? RIGHT?
Is this before Jesus did what he did so that all can be saved or after?
Was it God that was preventing the rich young ruler from coming to Jesus? No. It was HIS LOVE OF MONEY that was preventing him from coming to Jesus, right? SO are you saying that unsaved people by nature now are LESS SINFUL and LOVE THEIR SIN LESS after the cross then they were before the cross? Because the only thing that was preventing the man from coming to Jesus was his love of money? RIGHT?
18¶And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Notice he CAME to Jesus RUNNING and KNEELING . And if we answer people today as he answered this man are we doing the right thing ? If someone asks us how to inherit eternal life ,do we just quote the commandments of moses ?
[QUOTE="throughfaith, post: 4397360, member: 300037"
If that was all what certain traditions and denominations meant by previenient grace ,but they don't. They teach that a ' partial regeneration ' or a to be made free in some sense to be able to believe with the choice also to resist. Some couch this in different terms but essentially the same idea . Because they hold to the T. Like i said before when I posted the flowers clip . Also the other guy does one on ' Jacob Arminius ' .[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
What prevented the rich young ruler from coming to Jesus in the passage above? His love of money.
Are unsaved people any different today that they were before the cross?
If a person's sin and unbelief is the ONLY reason they will not come to Christ, what changed after the cross as far as man's willingness to come to Jesus?[/QUOTE]
Were people coming to christ before He even came ?
So you're saying that what Jesus said in Mark 10:23-27 was true before the cross, but no longer true after the cross? Considering the fact that the ONLY THING that was keeping the man from following Jesus was His love of money, what changed at the cross to mitigate this type of thing in unsaved people?
17¶And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18¶And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Notice he CAME to Jesus RUNNING and KNEELING . And if we answer people today as he answered this man are we doing the right thing ? If someone asks us how to inherit eternal life ,do we just quote the commandments of moses ?
18¶And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Notice he CAME to Jesus RUNNING and KNEELING . And if we answer people today as he answered this man are we doing the right thing ? If someone asks us how to inherit eternal life ,do we just quote the commandments of moses ?
people came to Jesus before the cross . It wasn't impossible for people to come to Jesus. He even said " come unto me all you who are heavy laden....
Remember? There’s that pesky inability again.
The people who came to Jesus during His earthly ministry were drawn.
If that was all what certain traditions and denominations meant by previenient grace ,but they don't. They teach that a ' partial regeneration ' or a to be made free in some sense to be able to believe with the choice also to resist. Some couch this in different terms but essentially the same idea . Because they hold to the T. Like i said before when I posted the flowers clip . Also the other guy does one on ' Jacob Arminius ' .
What prevented the rich young ruler from coming to Jesus in the passage above? His love of money.
Are unsaved people any different today that they were before the cross?
If a person's sin and unbelief is the ONLY reason they will not come to Christ, what changed after the cross as far as man's willingness to come to Jesus?[/QUOTE]
Were people coming to christ before He even came ?[/QUOTE]
they were coming to God, and Jesus in His preexistent state was God.
Plus, They believed the Promise of God, and the Promise was Christ, though they did not know it.