Why Jerusalem?

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eternally-gratefull

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If you pay attention to the text, those two witnesses are defending the city.

You want to know what happens when the harlots protectors are dead and thier enemies dance on thier dead bodies?

https://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-2.htm

Note, the beast takes the city. The women are raped. One third dead,others taken captive.
Would you like to read even more,?
Just so you know, many people who dance on them will be citizens of jerusalem.

you have failed to prove your point
 
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“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t measure time like God does a thousand years may pass as a day in his time. a short time “ time times and a half time” is according to Gods time not ours

again bro you don’t have to agree I have no issue with someone not agreeing with me . I think revelation gets a lot of different interpretations . I look at it with other prophecy and it just fits to perfectly on my own mind .

you know how Christ was taken to heaven and sat on the throne ? That is a visual showing this which is on earth it is showing the changing of authority from the book of the law , to Christ and his word .

this was declared after his resurrection

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The throne he was taken to is the seat of all authority. When the son is taken up to the throne it signifies for us the changing of the covenant.


Scripture is what leads me to believe if you look in revelation from that time Satan is on earth formed the beast and together they persecuted Gods people killing many that’s the church on earth that began with the destruction of Jerusalem and the horrors that followed committed by the Roman Empire upon Christians and Jews

that’s who the children are that he declares war on he doesn’t only war with the woman he declares war on the children of the new covenant who have the testimony of Christ that is indeed the gospel I’m sure you would agree about that one point.

it is really enlightening to look at the history of the church and Jews beginning about 67 ad and see satans work clearly
What even more powerful, will be when the world sees the abomination which causes desolation as spoken of by Daniel, and then their being great tribulation such as the world has never seen, before and after. This is also called the time of jacobs trouble (jeremiah 30). In which as revelations says, jacob (the woman) will be saved,
 
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Israel(Jerusalem) is far better off than Italy(Rome).

Italy is broke and Israel is booming.
The Catholic Church is broke? Since when?
 
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Now, why have you avoided showing all of us where the beast kills anyone in Rome?
Is it because the ten horns are not concerned with Rome?
dan 7, the ten horns ARE ROME!

it’s not the city of rome that gets destroyed, it’s the city of Babylon or the mother of Harlots that gets destroyed,
 

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Who is the harlot?

1. Bears the representation of a harlot (rev 17: 1-2, 15 - 16). It claimed to be christ's bride, but had fallen from its pure purpose and had become a harlot.(please note a harlot is a false wife, or tries to take the place of the wife)

jerusalem does not fit this, (Jerusalem is currently a city of three religions, Christianity being one of the, and it is the Catholic Church does, and only one f these religions claims to be the bride of Christ

2. a leader in ecclesiastical affairs. (rev 17 : 2. 5). Spiritual fornication in scripture is an adherance to a false religious system.

the Roman Catholic Church has leadership worldwide. Jerusalem is not a leader in any ecclesiastical affairs


3. the system is a leader in political affairs (rev 17:3) it is seen to be controlling the beast for which it sits.

the roman church has been a leader of political affairs since it was first started in the 300s, in fact at that time, it ruled the world. Even today. Many nations are influenced by the church, the church even has ambassadors to most countries, again, does not fit Jerusalem, which is a divided city,

4 the system has become very rich and influential (rev 17: 4)

jerusalem rich? The Catholic Church financially by itself has more money than most nations on earth. Jerusalem right? Since when

5. The system represents the stage of development of christiondom that was hithertoo unrevieled (rev 17: 5) in that it was called the "mystery"

jerusalem christian? Since when?

the Catholic Church looks nothing like the churches in acts or the epistles, it would have been a mystery tom1st century believers

6. the system has been a great persecutor of the saints. (rev 17: 6)

jerusalem killed how many saints? Since when? Where as rome has killed millions, anyone who did not bow to her for centuries were executed as heretics

7. the system is an organised system of worldwide scope (rev 17 : 15)

jerusalem? Jerusalem payed in ruins for years, even today it is not a system it is a city

the Roman church on the other hand, has influence across the entire globe, she is even trying to make peace with Islam, which further shows her evil

8. The system will be destroyed by the beast, the head of the roman coalition, so that his supremace may not be threatened (rev 17: 16 - 17 )

jerusalem is no threat to anyone, on a world wide level, the church however, will be decieved, but knows enough scripture when they start to see prophecy unfold literally will weild enough worldwide power to be a major threat.
What do all the kingdoms of the world follow in unison today? Answer: Their economic agendas.
And all their economic agendas are reliant on the primary well favored city, where global economic policies originate.
Is it Rome? No. Is it Jerusalem? No. It is NYC, where to keep Wall street profits climbing, economic policy proceeds from Washington to keep the well favored whore in luxury, while the rest of the world's nations follow suit, despite reeking all manner of havoc and death upon their local citizens. One Example: In Brazil, Bolsonaro in order to raise his nation's GDP is burning down ever larger swaths of the Amazon, while killing many of the indigenous people there.
 

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True, but it is not the only city on 7 hills, and has never been called babylon, that would make her the ruling queen of pagan system of worship.

she does NT fit the characteristics
it’s in prophecy it’s about those things being fulfilled that God said please consider this is only one prophecy about these things Jerusalem began in glory having a covenant , but they defined it by constantly serving other gods. This is why the terminology whore Consider what the words of God are saying about Jerusalem

“Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments:

thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine. Then washed I thee with water;

yea, I thoroughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by;

his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon:

And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.

Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.

Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.

Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable;

yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied. Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea;

and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith. How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord God, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;

But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband! They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.

And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.

So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry. Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast fretted me in all these things; behold, therefore I also will recompense thy way upon thine head, saith the Lord God: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness above all thine abominations.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:1-2, 6-17, 22, 26-30, 32-33, 35-


Jerusalem was made beautiful from ashes , they then later abandoned God following several gods again and again and again . They took the beauty God gave them and changed it through thier adultery with other gods.

you see this in revelation the woman begins glorious , gives birth to the messiah , and then her desolation begins as the dragon pursues her , and the children which sprang up with the new covenant who carry the testimony of Christ Jesus .

later you see Jerusalem being prrraued as a great whore who’s fornications we’re poured out to all around her. So as God said there he would turn her lovers against her to carry out his judgement on her that’s why Jerusalem has suffered so greatly through time even th last century with the holocaust

those things came from the transgression of and breaking of their covenant it became a curse but we have the messiah and his covenant
 
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What do all the kingdoms of the world follow in unison today? Answer: Their economic agendas.
And all their economic agendas are reliant on the primary well favored city, where global economic policies originate.
Is it Rome? No. Is it Jerusalem? No. It is NYC, where to keep Wall street profits climbing, economic policy proceeds from Washington to keep the well favored whore in luxury, while the rest of the world's nations follow suit, despite reeking all manner of havoc and death upon their local citizens. One Example: In Brazil, Bolsonaro in order to raise his nation's GDP is burning down ever larger swaths of the Amazon, while killing many of the indigenous people there.
US is not the harlot, it is not a religious system

we must remember, in a johns day when the term harlot was used, it was always used as a replacement religious system, or a fake wife, which a harlot really is, she takes place of the real wife in bed.
 
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it’s in prophecy it’s about those things being fulfilled that God said please consider this is only one prophecy about these things Jerusalem began in glory having a covenant , but they defined it by constantly serving other gods. This is why the terminology whore Consider what the words of God are saying about Jerusalem

“Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments:

thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine. Then washed I thee with water;

yea, I thoroughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by;

his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon:

And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.

Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.

Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.

Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable;

yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied. Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea;

and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith. How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord God, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;

But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband! They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.

And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.

So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry. Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast fretted me in all these things; behold, therefore I also will recompense thy way upon thine head, saith the Lord God: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness above all thine abominations.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:1-2, 6-17, 22, 26-30, 32-33, 35-


Jerusalem was made beautiful from ashes , they then later abandoned God following several gods again and again and again . They took the beauty God gave them and changed it through thier adultery with other gods.

you see this in revelation the woman begins glorious , gives birth to the messiah , and then her desolation begins as the dragon pursues her , and the children which sprang up with the new covenant who carry the testimony of Christ Jesus .

later you see Jerusalem being prrraued as a great whore who’s fornications we’re poured out to all around her. So as God said there he would turn her lovers against her to carry out his judgement on her that’s why Jerusalem has suffered so greatly through time even th last century with the holocaust

those things came from the transgression of and breaking of their covenant it became a curse but we have the messiah and his covenant
If you study OT prophecies, jerusalem will be restored,

jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad according to le. 26 warnings, and has been left desolate ever since, it is desolate today,
 

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What even more powerful, will be when the world sees the abomination which causes desolation as spoken of by Daniel, and then their being great tribulation such as the world has never seen, before and after. This is also called the time of jacobs trouble (jeremiah 30). In which as revelations says, jacob (the woman) will be saved,
hmm do you have any scriptural references to support that thinking ?

Israel is offered salvation just as gentiles are right now jesus didn’t exclude Israelites from salvation , he extended the offer he made them to all people because when their promises salvation came with the messiah they rejected and crucified him.

Anyone from Israel can be saved there’s no different way there’s one way for gentile and Israelite because those who hear and believe the gospel are the real children of Abraham and Abraham’s children can be any color shape size of any nationality any language any race of men .

whoever believes will be saved . And whoever believes is the Israel of God.

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children:

but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

no ones going to be saved because of their race or nationality not because of the physical but faith of Christ the promised seed

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7, 16, 26-29‬ ‭

Israel is being saved every day every believer who puts thier faith in Christ is a child of Abraham and heirs according to the promises given him
 

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US is not the harlot, it is not a religious system

we must remember, in a johns day when the term harlot was used, it was always used as a replacement religious system, or a fake wife, which a harlot really is, she takes place of the real wife in bed.
The harlot clothed in scarlet with gold and precious stones and pearls, in whose hand is a golden cup full of abominations and filthiness of her abomination (Revelation 17:4), is a city and not the U.S. (Revelation 17:18).
So what are all the nations drunk with from the wine of the whore? Answer: All the material goods (idols), the system of the beast produces, which the whole world goes to whatever lengths necessary to attain them.

Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
 
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@Shilohsfoal ... Repost for reasons why it can not
Be jerusalem

1. Jerusalem is the woman who gave birth to Christ (chapter 13)

2. In scripture Babylon is the Harlot to whom Jerusalem commuted sin with not jerusalem itself

3 the harlot is destroyed

4 we are told when the armies are gathered outside Jerusalem they will be destroyed before they can destroy the city by Jesus himself

Just 4 of many reasons


1 Christ was born in Bethlehem, not Jerusalem. But Jerusalem did try to kill Christ as soon as he was born.

2 No. The harlot commits sin with the nations in scripture and the nations destroy her.

3, yes the harlot will be destroyed.

4 we are told when the armies of Gog are gathered around Jerusalem where the saints reign with Christ, that army is destroyed. That takes place 1000 years after the beast and the harlot are destroyed.
 
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Who is the harlot?

1. Bears the representation of a harlot (rev 17: 1-2, 15 - 16). It claimed to be christ's bride, but had fallen from its pure purpose and had become a harlot.(please note a harlot is a false wife, or tries to take the place of the wife)

jerusalem does not fit this, (Jerusalem is currently a city of three religions, Christianity being one of the, and it is the Catholic Church does, and only one f these religions claims to be the bride of Christ

2. a leader in ecclesiastical affairs. (rev 17 : 2. 5). Spiritual fornication in scripture is an adherance to a false religious system.

the Roman Catholic Church has leadership worldwide. Jerusalem is not a leader in any ecclesiastical affairs


3. the system is a leader in political affairs (rev 17:3) it is seen to be controlling the beast for which it sits.

the roman church has been a leader of political affairs since it was first started in the 300s, in fact at that time, it ruled the world. Even today. Many nations are influenced by the church, the church even has ambassadors to most countries, again, does not fit Jerusalem, which is a divided city,

4 the system has become very rich and influential (rev 17: 4)

jerusalem rich? The Catholic Church financially by itself has more money than most nations on earth. Jerusalem right? Since when

5. The system represents the stage of development of christiondom that was hithertoo unrevieled (rev 17: 5) in that it was called the "mystery"

jerusalem christian? Since when?

the Catholic Church looks nothing like the churches in acts or the epistles, it would have been a mystery tom1st century believers

6. the system has been a great persecutor of the saints. (rev 17: 6)

jerusalem killed how many saints? Since when? Where as rome has killed millions, anyone who did not bow to her for centuries were executed as heretics

7. the system is an organised system of worldwide scope (rev 17 : 15)

jerusalem? Jerusalem payed in ruins for years, even today it is not a system it is a city

the Roman church on the other hand, has influence across the entire globe, she is even trying to make peace with Islam, which further shows her evil

8. The system will be destroyed by the beast, the head of the roman coalition, so that his supremace may not be threatened (rev 17: 16 - 17 )

jerusalem is no threat to anyone, on a world wide level, the church however, will be decieved, but knows enough scripture when they start to see prophecy unfold literally will weild enough worldwide power to be a major threat.

I'm not sure why you insist the entire world has anything to do with it. The beast is a kingdom shared by ten nations who want to destroy the city that rules over it.

There are only 10 horns. Not 270.
 
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“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:

and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:4, 7-9‬ ‭

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’re in a war and we have a battle gear prepared for us of well put it on


“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Well good. Rome is not mentioned once in all of that.
 
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No it’s your problem

The fact I wrote a post Showing just a few reasons why it could not be jerusalem And you have continued to
Ignore it just shows you have nothing to prove me wrong so until you go back and respond to those posts. (I will repost them even) i Am Done

You lied about Jerusalem giving us Christ.
God gave us Christ, Jerusalem gave us Benjamin Netanyahu.

The things you say are not truth.
 
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hmm do you have any scriptural references to support that thinking ?

Israel is offered salvation just as gentiles are right now jesus didn’t exclude Israelites from salvation , he extended the offer he made them to all people because when their promises salvation came with the messiah they rejected and crucified him.

Anyone from Israel can be saved there’s no different way there’s one way for gentile and Israelite because those who hear and believe the gospel are the real children of Abraham and Abraham’s children can be any color shape size of any nationality any language any race of men .

whoever believes will be saved . And whoever believes is the Israel of God.

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children:

but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

no ones going to be saved because of their race or nationality not because of the physical but faith of Christ the promised seed

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7, 16, 26-29‬ ‭

Israel is being saved every day every believer who puts thier faith in Christ is a child of Abraham and heirs according to the promises given him
Well let’s see

i mentioned matt 24, daniel 9 and Jeremiah 30, can You comment on them?

rom 11 is proof that Israel,and gentiles are not the same, as in Romans 11 saved gentiles and Israel are seperated,

you also have a lot of OT prophecy which speaks of Israel being restored.
you also have the woman vs her offspring as showing a division between jew and gentile.
 
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The harlot clothed in scarlet with gold and precious stones and pearls, in whose hand is a golden cup full of abominations and filthiness of her abomination (Revelation 17:4), is a city and not the U.S. (Revelation 17:18).
So what are all the nations drunk with from the wine of the whore? Answer: All the material goods (idols), the system of the beast produces, which the whole world goes to whatever lengths necessary to attain them.

Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Yep, and I showed you here characteristics,

and showed you what a harlot is in John’s day

and showed you who the mother of Harlots may be (it’s not jerusalem or NY)
 
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1 Christ was born in Bethlehem, not Jerusalem. But Jerusalem did try to kill Christ as soon as he was born.
the woman is Israel who gave birth to Christ, her temple was in Jerusalem

2 No. The harlot commits sin with the nations in scripture and the nations destroy her.
the harlot Israel commited sin with was baal,worship, I think you need to study the OT more, you do. Ot understand what a harlot is in biblical terms

3, yes the harlot will be destroyed.
4 we are told when the armies of Gog are gathered around Jerusalem where the saints reign with Christ, that army is destroyed. That takes place 1000 years after the beast and the harlot are destroyed.
there are two great battles before the return of Christ, one is destroyed where they stand with no army, the other is Armageddon, which is defeated by Christ upon his return.

both precede the 1000 years.

christians will not rein in Jerusalem, the woman will christians will live in their own countries amd come to jerusalem once a year to worship Jesus
 
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I'm not sure why you insist the entire world has anything to do with it. The beast is a kingdom shared by ten nations who want to destroy the city that rules over it.

There are only 10 horns. Not 270.
You do not get it at all,

the harlot has influence over the earth and has for along time, starting back with Babylon, (hence her name)

the 10horns are ten kings who give their power to the one king, who has to destroy her
 
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Well good. Rome is not mentioned once in all of that.
She does not have to be, rome is the final gentile kingdom that is in power when Christ returns
 
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You lied about Jerusalem giving us Christ.
God gave us Christ, Jerusalem gave us Benjamin Netanyahu.

The things you say are not truth.
Whatever dude,

your not listening to a word I say, your pride is too deep