Is Acts 3 to Jews and Proselytes only ?
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You see brother, you laid forth those three points in posting # 16. I commented on them in my posting # 34 to which you did not comment. Now you present them to me as mysteries of Christ's Body without a counter argument to what I said. My answer is that they are disputed by me and you haven't shown me if and why I'm wrong. In any case, Peter, a Jew, even with a cursory knowledge of the Tanakh, would have known about Rapture. Paul shown secret things, but the Rapture is a settled fact from 2nd Kings Chapter 2. It is up you now to show why Peter did not know about "being taken as a companion" from Matthew 24 and Luke 21. Does it not say in both passages on the end of the age that our Lord addressed His DISCIPLES?
- In Matthew 24 one is "taken" (in judgment - airo - Gk.) and one is "taken like an intimate companion" ("paralambano - Gk.) If you are in bed asleep and you are taken, that means a second party, with power over gravity, TAKES you.
- In Luke 21:36 if one is worthy one "stands before the Son of Man". If Jesus has not yet returned to earth, you MUST, by default, be caught away to Him.
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God told him that through his seed he would bless many nations. Abraham did not understand that is was about Jesus but he was still saved by believing the promise. That was the Gospel even though it was not yet called the Gospel. Telling people behold that the Son of David prophesied had come and would take away the sin of the world, and heal the sick and open the prison doors is the Gospel before the cross and after the cross.
You are misunderstanding the rapture of the body of Christ with Jesus 2nd coming and mixing them up, no wonder you think the rapture is found in those passages.
The rapture does not involve Jesus returning the earth, the lord will descend to meet us in the air, and we will be caught up with him and brought into the heaven.
Only in his 2nd coming will his feet land on the earth, more precisely the mount of olives as stated in Zechariah 14.
The 2nd coming is definitely found in the ot as well as the 4 gospels I agree, but not the rapture of the body of Christ.
The rapture does not involve Jesus returning the earth, the lord will descend to meet us in the air, and we will be caught up with him and brought into the heaven.
Only in his 2nd coming will his feet land on the earth, more precisely the mount of olives as stated in Zechariah 14.
The 2nd coming is definitely found in the ot as well as the 4 gospels I agree, but not the rapture of the body of Christ.
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I would say he believed God in what God said and promised. I see this with the Gospel today. We believe something God has said he has done. Dying for our sins according to the Scriptures.
21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Now I agree that a child can grasp the very basics of this wonderful news .That Jesus being who he said he was ,and has done what he said he had done is what God requires of us to place our trust in . Yes its calling upon the Lord ,believing from the heart with child like faith in what he's already done .Rom 10 .9 10
21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Now I agree that a child can grasp the very basics of this wonderful news .That Jesus being who he said he was ,and has done what he said he had done is what God requires of us to place our trust in . Yes its calling upon the Lord ,believing from the heart with child like faith in what he's already done .Rom 10 .9 10
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I read a sign on the wall. Jesus Saves. I did already believe in God and had a vague understanding that the bible says that Jesus Loves me. I heard that you have to have faith. I guess I knew that it said "Thou shalt not lie" That was about it. I learned more after I got moved to another Jail but the change had already started that day I asked Jesus to save me. What I meant by it was "change me" and I think Jesus heard. From that day on I changed a little and learned a little more each day.
Genesis 15:5 tells us clearly what good news was preached to Abraham that he believed in and was justified by in vs 6.
And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
No need to read into the scripture and infer that Abraham also knew in Genesis 15, "that the Son of David prophesied had come and would take away the sin of the world, and heal the sick and open the prison doors is the Gospel before the cross and after the cross".
He believed God will give him uncountable descendants, despite Sarah and him being well advanced in age, which was also very good news since a barren woman was viewed much more negatively then compared to now, and God justify him because of that belief
And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
No need to read into the scripture and infer that Abraham also knew in Genesis 15, "that the Son of David prophesied had come and would take away the sin of the world, and heal the sick and open the prison doors is the Gospel before the cross and after the cross".
He believed God will give him uncountable descendants, despite Sarah and him being well advanced in age, which was also very good news since a barren woman was viewed much more negatively then compared to now, and God justify him because of that belief
We can of course look back and infer all these now. We have the advantage of the completed scriptures that they do not.
I am just saying "gospel" means good news.
God released various good news to different people at different periods of time, the audience then don't have to infer anything about Christ in them, in order to be saved.
They just need to believe what the good news literally says.
I am just saying "gospel" means good news.
God released various good news to different people at different periods of time, the audience then don't have to infer anything about Christ in them, in order to be saved.
They just need to believe what the good news literally says.
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You're right. It was not necessary for Abraham to understand how the nations of the world would be blessed. He simply believed what God said. If Abraham misunderstood how it would happen that was also irrelevant, since Abrahams comprehension of the details was not necessary to accepting the promise as true.
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I think you did not read my posting. Try to answer what I said. You and I are not far apart, but you've attributed to me things that my words did not convey. The context was whether Peter heard our Lord's words as He taught then about the Rapture. The only way to disagree with that is to deny a Rapture in Luke 21:36. If you do deny it, we can discuss that separately.
And tell me what you think of Matthew 13:37-43. The end of the age is a harvest. The reapers are angels. They first gather the Tares to be burned. Then they GATHER the Wheat, which is the good seed of God and "children of the kingdom", to God's BARN. Is this not a Rapture? No matter where you place God's Barn, Christians from Chile and Siberia and Australia and Greenland are "GATHERED". How could this be if they are not MOVED from their home countries? The Greek word "Harpazo", which we take to mean a Rapture, literally means, "caught away". The Greek word implies movement caused by a second party, but direction is not given. If all the children of the Kingdom worldwide are GATHERED, no matter where to, it is a Rapture. All you have to then surmise is (i) where angels are likely to TAKE them, (ii) why angels are used, and (iii) where God's Barn is likely to be.
If you take my proof from those TAKEN (as intimate companions - "paralambano" - Gk.) in Matthew 24, I have now presented you with THREE occasions in the gospels where the Rapture is taught. And Peter was present on each occasion.
And tell me what you think of Matthew 13:37-43. The end of the age is a harvest. The reapers are angels. They first gather the Tares to be burned. Then they GATHER the Wheat, which is the good seed of God and "children of the kingdom", to God's BARN. Is this not a Rapture? No matter where you place God's Barn, Christians from Chile and Siberia and Australia and Greenland are "GATHERED". How could this be if they are not MOVED from their home countries? The Greek word "Harpazo", which we take to mean a Rapture, literally means, "caught away". The Greek word implies movement caused by a second party, but direction is not given. If all the children of the Kingdom worldwide are GATHERED, no matter where to, it is a Rapture. All you have to then surmise is (i) where angels are likely to TAKE them, (ii) why angels are used, and (iii) where God's Barn is likely to be.
If you take my proof from those TAKEN (as intimate companions - "paralambano" - Gk.) in Matthew 24, I have now presented you with THREE occasions in the gospels where the Rapture is taught. And Peter was present on each occasion.
Make it simple. Give verses for the Rapture being a mystery, and how nobody knew of Enoch and Elijah when the whole nation of Israel knew it. The "mystery" in 1st Corinthians 15:51 is not the Rapture. It how those LIVING in their corruptible bodies at the time of the Lord's coming, will put on incorruptible bodies. The Rapture is not mentioned in 1st Corinthians 15.
In the first place, Jesus cannot be talking about the Rapture, otherwise Paul would not say in 1 Cor 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
If your premise is true, that Jesus taught the Rapture before Paul was saved, Paul would not have said "I shew you a mystery".
How can something be a mystery if it was already taught before, as you are claiming.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
If your premise is true, that Jesus taught the Rapture before Paul was saved, Paul would not have said "I shew you a mystery".
How can something be a mystery if it was already taught before, as you are claiming.
The "mystery" in 1st Corinthians 15:51 is not the Rapture. It is how those LIVING in their corruptible bodies at the time of the Lord's coming, will put on incorruptible bodies. The Rapture is not mentioned in 1st Corinthians 15.
There is no "mystery" about Rapture. Though they are not mentioned directly, it is a simple case of angels lifting up men and placing them somewhere else in defiance of gravity.
There is no "mystery" about Rapture. Though they are not mentioned directly, it is a simple case of angels lifting up men and placing them somewhere else in defiance of gravity.