Replacement theology.

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The church was NEVER promised land
Or the blessing and cursing which came with that promise
The promised land was Heavenly Jerusalem, the "split" promises to Abraham only exists in your head. God never promised God hating Jews anything, only the Jews that were in Christ.
 
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The promised land was Heavenly Jerusalem, the "split" promises to Abraham only exists in your head. God never promised God hating Jews anything, only the Jews that were in Christ.
Have to ask because you use the term often...what are God hating jews??
 
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Yes. Once the full number of gentiles come into the church, salvation is closed. It's judgement day.
I disagree, one of the major factors in the blindness of the Jews was the teaching of the heretical Scribes and Pharisees and they were taken out of the way in AD 70.

The fullness of the Gentiles is the same thing as the "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled", which is marked by the time when the Gentiles stop trodding down Jerusalem which happened in AD 70.
 
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Have to ask because you use the term often...what are God hating jews??
The same thing as God hating Gentiles. God hating has nothing to do with race, all races have God haters in them. I use the term often to point out the insanity of calling God haters God's chosen people. But what do I get in return - "You're hatred of the Jews... ", you're an anitsemite", "you're a holocaust denier".
 
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The same thing as God hating Gentiles. God hating has nothing to do with race, all races have God haters in them. I use the term often to point out the insanity of calling God haters God's chosen people. But what do I get in return - "You're hatred of the Jews... ", you're an anitsemite", "you're a holocaust denier".
Imo a God hater is one that apposes God and his righteousness. It's not one who does not believe or has not heard. Is this your take?
 
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Imo a God hater is one that apposes God and his righteousness. It's not one who does not believe or has not heard. Is this your take?
No not all unbelievers hate God. But people who stoned the prophets and rebelled against everything that is Godly are God haters. I would say the equivalent in today's times would be the Roman Catholic God haters, people who rape little boys and teach a message exactly the opposite of what God teaches. Are all Catholics God haters, I would say no.
 
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When you guys accuse us of replacing the Jews with the church, it's like saying Christians have replaced the Catholics as God's chosen people.

God's chosen people have always been the church. Adam was the church, Abraham was the church, Jacob was the church and all of his saved offspring were the church.

The church is the bride of Christ, she was in her CLOSET in the Old Testament. She came came out of her closet when JESUS came forth from his 3 DAY visit to his chamber.

Joe_2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

One more time. The church has been in existence from the beginning, she was hidden from the world in the Old Testament. She was revealed when she came out of the closet she was hiding in when Christ rose from the dead.
 

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I disagree, one of the major factors in the blindness of the Jews was the teaching of the heretical Scribes and Pharisees and they were taken out of the way in AD 70.

The fullness of the Gentiles is the same thing as the "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled", which is marked by the time when the Gentiles stop trodding down Jerusalem which happened in AD 70.
Paul cautioned that there would be false teachers among us and imo, the gospel Jesus taught has been mangled so badly that for the most part, truth of it isn't beling taught today.

I see "end times" prophecy differently. To me, the fulness of gentiles (believers) being added to the church and the gentiles (unbelievers) trodding down the holy city continue to this day. The abomination that causes desolation is the crucifixion of Christ.
 
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Paul cautioned that there would be false teachers among us and imo, the gospel Jesus taught has been mangled so badly that for the most part, truth of it isn't beling taught today.

I see "end times" prophecy differently. To me, the fulness of gentiles (believers) being added to the church and the gentiles (unbelievers) trodding down the holy city continue to this day. The abomination that causes desolation is the crucifixion of Christ.
Yes, I'm with you 100% on the crucifixion of Jesus being the abomination of desolation. I think you had said earlier that time on planet earth is over when the times of the gentiles are up and that may be right but I base what I said on the four carpenters who cast out the horns of the Gentiles in Zechariah. I could be wrong though.

Zec 1:21 Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head: but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it
 
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There is only one doctrine that says the church replaces Israel. Then Israel gets all the curses and the church gets all the blessings. Never happened. It's a lie from the pit of hell. It was the means of blood libels and pogroms, finally the Holocaust. Catholics even repented of this dangerous belief, and the Protestants followed. It's a damnable doctrine, it is utterly false.
You guys are the only ones I've ever seen promoting replacement theology.
 
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Jew Seeker - Fullness of the gentiles = No more gentiles saved, but all Jews saved.
Christ Seeker - Fullness of the gentiles = Jews partial blindness ended in 70 AD when the fullness of God's wrath from the Gentiles came in.

To say that "whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" has an expiration date is insanity and demonstrates a complete disregard of scripture.
Nope
fullness it time if the gentiles being completed means the end of gentile dominion over Jerusalem. Ie Christ has returned the 4th and final beast destroyed

As for the rest of your post as usual nothing but a bunch of hot air meaningless to our conversation further proof you have no idea what I am saying
 
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I single out the Jews because you guys are singling them out. I'm trying to point out that those people yall single out are wicked God haters.
I single no one out. God did when he said I give YOU.
 
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The promised land was Heavenly Jerusalem, the "split" promises to Abraham only exists in your head. God never promised God hating Jews anything, only the Jews that were in Christ.
Nope
heavenly jerusalem was never destroyed. Because if sin. It can’t be rebuilt it
one day I pray God opens your eyes to see this and also see this is WHY you refuse to look at certain scripture with me
 
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Nope
fullness it time if the gentiles being completed means the end of gentile dominion over Jerusalem. Ie Christ has returned the 4th and final beast destroyed

As for the rest of your post as usual nothing but a bunch of hot air meaningless to our conversation further proof you have no idea what I am saying
Gentile dominion over Jerusalem only lasted 42 months according to the bible. Does 42 months not really mean 42 months?

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
 
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Nope
heavenly jerusalem was never destroyed. Because if sin. It can’t be rebuilt it
one day I pray God opens your eyes to see this and also see this is WHY you refuse to look at certain scripture with me
You can spread that heresy if you want and you can lead other people astray with that heresy if you want, but I'm not buying it. This is getting old, the same tired argument over and over. I keep pointed out bible verses over and over and you keep ignoring them.
 
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Nope
heavenly jerusalem was never destroyed. Because if sin. It can’t be rebuilt it
one day I pray God opens your eyes to see this and also see this is WHY you refuse to look at certain scripture with me
Put up some verses and we can discuss them. You're probably confusing verses about the first coming of Jesus.
 
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When you guys accuse us of replacing the Jews with the church, it's like saying Christians have replaced the Catholics as God's chosen people.

God's chosen people have always been the church. Adam was the church, Abraham was the church, Jacob was the church and all of his saved offspring were the church.

The church is the bride of Christ, she was in her CLOSET in the Old Testament. She came came out of her closet when JESUS came forth from his 3 DAY visit to his chamber.

Joe_2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

One more time. The church has been in existence from the beginning, she was hidden from the world in the Old Testament. She was revealed when she came out of the closet she was hiding in when Christ rose from the dead.
1. The church has not replaced anyone. God has been building his church since Adam and Eve. All who come to God in faith belong to the church
2 God made a special promise to the nation of Israel and he keeps his promises in spite of what you want to believe
 
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Gentile dominion over Jerusalem only lasted 42 months according to the bible. Does 42 months not really mean 42 months?

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Gentile dominion started with Babylon and has never stopped
you need to study Daniel 2 and 7. And other passages which refute the gentile dominion
 
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You can spread that heresy if you want and you can lead other people astray with that heresy if you want, but I'm not buying it. This is getting old, the same tired argument over and over. I keep pointed out bible verses over and over and you keep ignoring them.
See what you do. Once again you are backed in a corner with truth and you run

And you expect me to see things your way? When you can jot even acknowledge that new jerusalem was not destroyed thus it will jot be rebuilt so can’t be what the last person of Ezekiel 36 is talking about as well as the other passages you refuse to look at