How many of you believe COVID 19 is a biological weapon?

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Is COVID 19 a biological weapon?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 59.4%
  • No

    Votes: 13 40.6%

  • Total voters
    32

BlessedCreator

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Covid is %100 fake. It's a tool of Satan to fulfill his plans....God hasn't shown you all this?????
 
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KT88

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The virus has nothing to do with wet markets, it's being blamed on wet markets because wet markets are FARMERS MARKETS and they will use this to shut down farmers markets world wide and we're all gonna be eating GMO pesticide laden food that will make us even sicker. Mark my words this will happen, they've been after natural healthy food for decades.
I dunno about that. Years ago wandering through a food market in Indonesia they live bats and other critters in cages. Yum not.
 

Magenta

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I dunno about that. Years ago wandering through a food market in Indonesia they live bats and other critters in cages. Yum not.
Yeah... there was a video circulating near the beginning of all this of an Asian woman gnawing on a bat wing over her bowl of bat soup. I have not heard anything about it on this site, either, but some time ago millions of farmed mink in some Scandinavian country (Denmark?) needed to be put down because they had contracted a mutated form of COVID that could be passed back to humans...
 
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KT88

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And now they are reaping what they have sown.
Over 3000 dead in one day due to Covid or Covid related.

None of it matters until it hits home for some sadly.
Are you saying that the "plan" of letting the virus spread to achieve herd immunity doesn't matter?
 
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KT88

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Yeah... there was a video circulating near the beginning of all this of an Asian woman gnawing on a bat wing over her bowl of bat soup. I have not heard anything about it on this site, either, but some time ago millions of farmed mink in some Scandinavian country (Denmark?) needed to be put down because they had contracted a mutated form of COVID that could be passed back to humans...
I don't think I saw anyone eating the animals - when I asked the tour guide why the bat was in the cage he replied "for food" or something along those lines. I was taken aback.
 

Magenta

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I don't think I saw anyone eating the animals - when I asked the tour guide why the bat was in the cage he replied "for food" or something along those lines. I was taken aback.
Yes, those animals were there in the "wet market" to be served up to whoever had a fancy for eating them.
 
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EleventhHour

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Are you saying that the "plan" of letting the virus spread to achieve herd immunity doesn't matter?
Yes I guess it could be read that way, that isn't how I meant it though.

I had in my mind some people who have been vocal supporters of herd immunity, they typically have downplayed the virus as though it is inconsequential to them.

Natural herd immunity to me is reckless.

People have a change of mind when they personally experience the effects of this approach, Sweden being a prime example.

I think that the Trump administration even considered it is shameful.
 
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Yes, those animals were there in the "wet market" to be served up to whoever had a fancy for eating them.
Eating bat wings is a digusting habit, don't get me wrong. But there's no proof it causes coronavirus!
 
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Eating bat wings is a digusting habit, don't get me wrong. But there's no proof it causes coronavirus!
Obviously no one can ever prove that patient zero got it from a bat in a wet market. However there is 100% proof that bats carried that virus and there are at least 6 others in bat populations that are potential future problems under the right conditions.

The fact that the bats that carried this corona virus were also being studied in Wuhan and that a worker might have accidently gotten sick and spread it is the number 2 best guess as to it's origin.

Maybe I am wrong. I did not know anyone questioned the bat that was the host. It's this handsome guy below:
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true_believer

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Obviously no one can ever prove that patient zero got it from a bat in a wet market. However there is 100% proof that bats carried that virus and there are at least 6 others in bat populations that are potential future problems under the right conditions.

The fact that the bats that carried this corona virus were also being studied in Wuhan and that a worker might have accidently gotten sick and spread it is the number 2 best guess as to it's origin.

Maybe I am wrong. I did not know anyone questioned the bat that was the host. It's this handsome guy below:
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Humans for centuries have been infected from a variety of viruses from coming in contact from animals. Eating them definitely wasn't a requirement.
 
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KT88

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Yes I guess it could be read that way, that isn't how I meant it though.

I had in my mind some people who have been vocal supporters of herd immunity, they typically have downplayed the virus as though it is inconsequential to them.

Natural herd immunity to me is reckless.

People have a change of mind when they personally experience the effects of this approach, Sweden being a prime example.

I think that the Trump administration even considered it is shameful.
As you probably know from reporting on the conversations between Bob Woodward and Trump, Trump knew early on in January that the Covid virus was going to hit hard.

"It goes through the air," "That's always tougher than the touch. You don't have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed."

"And so that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one. It's also more deadly than even your strenuous flus."

"You know, I want to play it down. I want to play it down."
 
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Obviously no one can ever prove that patient zero got it from a bat in a wet market. However there is 100% proof that bats carried that virus and there are at least 6 others in bat populations that are potential future problems under the right conditions.
So according to this logic, there is 100% proof that goats and papayas carry the virus also! :eek: :eek: :eek:

"Tanzania seems to be having a problem with its animals, its coronavirus testing or its leadership amid a bizarre scandal playing out in the African nation.

President John Magufuli has cast doubt on the country’s coronavirus testing process after he allegedly submitted secret samples from invalid subjects, including a goat and a papaya (yes, the fruit), that came back as “positive” for the virus."

Just in case you don't know these potential carriers, I have posted some pics below. Don't be deceived by looks - both the handsome creature on the left, and the attractive-looking fruit on the right, are potential carriers of this deadly disease!
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So according to this logic, there is 100% proof that goats and papayas carry the virus also! :eek::eek::eek:

"Tanzania seems to be having a problem with its animals, its coronavirus testing or its leadership amid a bizarre scandal playing out in the African nation.

President John Magufuli has cast doubt on the country’s coronavirus testing process after he allegedly submitted secret samples from invalid subjects, including a goat and a papaya (yes, the fruit), that came back as “positive” for the virus."

Just in case you don't know these potential carriers, I have posted some pics below. Don't be deceived by looks - both the handsome creature on the left, and the attractive-looking fruit on the right, are potential carriers of this deadly disease!
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Cute, but here is a more serious scientific analysis with plenty of source data cited in the full report (see link) for further study.

This is a very thorough publication and I find it very credible.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17687-3

Bats are presumed reservoirs of diverse coronaviruses (CoVs) including progenitors of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent of COVID-19. However, the evolution and diversification of these coronaviruses remains poorly understood. Here we use a Bayesian statistical framework and a large sequence data set from bat-CoVs (including 630 novel CoV sequences) in China to study their macroevolution, cross-species transmission and dispersal. We find that host-switching occurs more frequently and across more distantly related host taxa in alpha- than beta-CoVs, and is more highly constrained by phylogenetic distance for beta-CoVs. We show that inter-family and -genus switching is most common in Rhinolophidae and the genus Rhinolophus. Our analyses identify the host taxa and geographic regions that define hotspots of CoV evolutionary diversity in China that could help target bat-CoV discovery for proactive zoonotic disease surveillance. Finally, we present a phylogenetic analysis suggesting a likely origin for SARS-CoV-2 in Rhinolophus spp. bats.
 
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Cute, but here is a more serious scientific analysis with plenty of source data cited in the full report (see link) for further study.

This is a very thorough publication and I find it very credible.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17687-3

Bats are presumed reservoirs of diverse coronaviruses (CoVs) including progenitors of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent of COVID-19. However, the evolution and diversification of these coronaviruses remains poorly understood. Here we use a Bayesian statistical framework and a large sequence data set from bat-CoVs (including 630 novel CoV sequences) in China to study their macroevolution, cross-species transmission and dispersal. We find that host-switching occurs more frequently and across more distantly related host taxa in alpha- than beta-CoVs, and is more highly constrained by phylogenetic distance for beta-CoVs. We show that inter-family and -genus switching is most common in Rhinolophidae and the genus Rhinolophus. Our analyses identify the host taxa and geographic regions that define hotspots of CoV evolutionary diversity in China that could help target bat-CoV discovery for proactive zoonotic disease surveillance. Finally, we present a phylogenetic analysis suggesting a likely origin for SARS-CoV-2 in Rhinolophus spp. bats.
The test doesn't test for a virus. That's why the goat, the papaya and the bats all test positive for it. Also people. You can put it in a journal or not, but bad science is still bad science.
 

Jackson123

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Obviously no one can ever prove that patient zero got it from a bat in a wet market. However there is 100% proof that bats carried that virus and there are at least 6 others in bat populations that are potential future problems under the right conditions.

The fact that the bats that carried this corona virus were also being studied in Wuhan and that a worker might have accidently gotten sick and spread it is the number 2 best guess as to it's origin.

Maybe I am wrong. I did not know anyone questioned the bat that was the host. It's this handsome guy below:
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horseshoe bat
My friend visited China 20 years ago, he Said people has been eating bat when he was there. Why the pandemik has just appeared
 
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My friend visited China 20 years ago, he Said people has been eating bat when he was there. Why the pandemik has just appeared
Guesses: Not every bat carries it. Maybe it mutated after the first transfer to human to become more contagious from human to human. Maybe it was a live bat that it came from through a bat sneeze. I'm just brainstorming here. Work with me...