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Lanolin

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I wish I would take this advice seriously. It's hard to say no to relatives despite their history of not paying me back. They always tell me to forgive or how I shouldn't be stingy with money. I also feel sorry for their situation and want to help. I don't mind giving money as a gift but I hate being lied and tricked into believing they'll pay me back. They tell me how they'll have the money to pay me back soon which is true. However, when the time comes to repay there's always an excuse as to why it'd be inconvenient. I'd appreciate payments in small amounts but they claim they'd rather save and give it all at once. If I ever do get my money back I have to constantly follow up. That gets exhausting so I usually end up letting it go and trying to see it as a gift so I don't become bitter.
did you take some collateral? I remember my brother asking me once and I said no, my big sister gave him some instead. I dont know why he was asking me as I hardly earn anything. It was for his car, not the one he drives but his hobby car club! I wouldnt know what to do with an extra car I suppose I could have sold it if he didnt pay me back.
 
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They always tell me to forgive or how I shouldn't be stingy with money. I also feel sorry for their situation and want to help. I don't mind giving money as a gift but I hate being lied and tricked into believing they'll pay me back.
I'm not an expert at these things either. I've had situations where friends strongly implied that I give them money/or buy items (the worst experience was when a friend was going in detail on how she is praying to God for a specific type of computer that costs $2000; she was a student in statistics and needed that type of computer. She was talking in a way which suggested that I am the answer to her prayers, and that I should do so because I'm a Christian). The same friend also told me at other times that she cannot pay other types of school fees/health insurance. When this happens I change the topic. If someone is struggling to pay for food I would give money as a gift. For rent, (this hasn't happened) I guess I would make it a no-interest loan where they will have to pay me back. Other than food and housing (up to certain amount) I don't feel obligated to help with someone's finances. Ultimately I don't really believe most people appreciate it if you help them financially (either as a gift or loan); they believe because you have the money you don't need the money back.
 

Lanolin

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If someone cannot pay then they cannot pay
You are not then obligated to pay for them.
they can either fundraise (by doing something, maybe busk or sell something) or get another job.

most honorable people go without rather than beg other people to maintain their lifestyle.

that said, it is also good to give. If you can and are in a position to do so. You can give in secret. Which is what the Bible tells us to do with alms so that there is no obligation.
 
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If someone cannot pay then they cannot pay
You are not then obligated to pay for them.
they can either fundraise (by doing something, maybe busk or sell something) or get another job.

most honorable people go without rather than beg other people to maintain their lifestyle.

that said, it is also good to give. If you can and are in a position to do so. You can give in secret. Which is what the Bible tells us to do with alms so that there is no obligation.
I do think we have to help a friend in need if we can (temporarily), but I personally would limit it to food (gift) and mortgage/rent (as a loan). I would not feel obligated to help them in other areas (such as cell phone bill). However, I would expect them to seek alternatives first before coming to me (food pantry, asking family first, etc.). A few months time of help would be enough time before they become eligible for benefits.
 

Lanolin

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I help out friends but not with money as I dont have any.
if someone wants money they need to go to the bank.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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If you don't have money at all, then there is really no option to help monetarily. When a person comes to you for money, it is because they have already figured out you have more money than them (they have observed you are working full time, no kids, staying at home with the parents, no student loans, rich husband, work in a high-paying job, etc.). Everything is relative. She may have $0 but you may have XYZ saved, which to her may be a lot (even when it's not). Even though XYZ may not be a lot, it is still higher than $0 so then it becomes an issue of conscience whether or not to help a needy friend. If the person with XYZ then tells her to go to the bank, it does sound a bit harsh to me. With a female friend, I would worry if being without food and shelter may drive her to do something extreme, so I would rather help (if I'm able to).
 
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I'm not saying I would be a cheerful giver though.
 

Lanolin

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I would still tell them to go to the bank, because everyone needs to go to the bank to get money.
I can always share food but shelter they need to go to someone with a spare bedroom.

when you have savings you actually cant spend it. Or its difficult to access as its locked away. you arent allowed to spend it. Kiwisaver you literally cannot get until you turn 65 or use it to buy a first home.
 

Lanolin

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people that ask for money often ask cos they want it to spend it in drugs. in my experience.
 

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did you take some collateral? I remember my brother asking me once and I said no, my big sister gave him some instead. I dont know why he was asking me as I hardly earn anything. It was for his car, not the one he drives but his hobby car club! I wouldnt know what to do with an extra car I suppose I could have sold it if he didnt pay me back.
Maybe your brother felt more comfortable asking you because you're younger or have a history of giving when he asks?




I tried to ask him once or twice for collateral which he always refused and said I was being ridiculous. The main problem is that he lives above his means.



Last year his car needed more repairs than expected. He told me it was an emergency and needed to be paid that day. He mostly uses his car to drive friends around or go to stores outside of walking distance. I have to take public transportation to places outside of walking distance unless maybe I beg him enough to convince him to give me a ride. Same for my mom but he's more willing to give her a ride. For the first time I lended him an insane amount and I had my less paying job at the time but I really wanted to help. Usually our mom would give him extra money in times like this but she didn't have that much on hand at the time. My mom said she'd pay me back in a weeks. She's good for her word and I follow up. Before she can say anything my brother jumps in tells me he me I should be ashamed to ask back for it. He said a lot of hurtful words then said I should have given it out of the kindness of my heart. It was sort of hard times so I didn't constantly follow up but eventually I stopped and let it go. In reality it didn't need to be paid that day. He just wanted to have his car back as soon as possible and I wasn't thinking clearly. I wanted to help my mom out more so but it was still hard for me to see it as a gift. It wasn't the amount but how he insulted me so bad so I would shut up about it.

I still did lend him a few dollars here and there after that ordeal. He paid back some and the rest I let go as usual. He was outraged earlier this year when I said no to letting him "borrow" money shortly after I got a new job. I asked him when he was going to pay me back and he said sometime years from now when I get a job then laughed. Usually he'd say a few weeks and that's believeable because he gets an allowance every week. I asked him about that and he said I should stop being stingy.

Apparently he expected that I'd be willing like never before to give handouts. My salary didn't change my tax bracket and I still can't afford to move out. It was enough for me to contribute more to household costs.
His attitude was too much for me and that was it for me because he pleaded with "well I'm not asking for a lot this time, and I know you have it". He cursed me out and said I'll lose my job unless I get off my high horse.

I never flaunted nor bragged and didn't drastically change my spending habits. I still continued to gift him for birthdays and Christmas. Ever since I started working, I did get him something more expensive since I had more than when I was getting an allowance. However, still he continues to call me selfish and stingy. Usually the most he spends on a gift is the card because he doesn't want to spend much. I get that and I don't mind. Sometimes I'd feel it's unfair he'd gift his friends and not me. I do appreciate that he wished me "Happy birthday" or "Merry Christmas". Plus I loved seeing how happy he got when he got a gift.

I don't see how I'm being selfish or stingy. I thought I was sharing my wealth by buying things we need around the house. I only make more than him because allowance is less than any job we know of. He refuses to get a job that doesn't pay enough to move out and support his expensive taste.

Sorry for the long winded response and run on sentences. I feel conflicted now with gifting in the future because this year while he used the gifts he didn't seem happy or thank me. He acted so entitled and never has in the past. He actually did gift me more than a card this year and it's been years so I wasn't expecting it. He seemed offended that I was shocked. He gave it in a way that I wonder if he did it because he felt guilty or obligated. He also said "don't act like I never gifted you before". I feel rubbed the wrong way but I don't want to be petty. It's better to give than to receive but what if the receiver seems ungrateful? I don't want to make my brother feel that I'm trying to show off with gifting but I know that if I buy something inexpensive he'll complain that I'm being cheap.

My mom says to keep giving and not turn bitter or change my character. I've been praying on this for months but I don't know. It doesn't bring me to joy to gift anymore but I feel obligated.
 

Johari

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I'm not an expert at these things either. I've had situations where friends strongly implied that I give them money/or buy items (the worst experience was when a friend was going in detail on how she is praying to God for a specific type of computer that costs $2000; she was a student in statistics and needed that type of computer. She was talking in a way which suggested that I am the answer to her prayers, and that I should do so because I'm a Christian). The same friend also told me at other times that she cannot pay other types of school fees/health insurance. When this happens I change the topic. If someone is struggling to pay for food I would give money as a gift. For rent, (this hasn't happened) I guess I would make it a no-interest loan where they will have to pay me back. Other than food and housing (up to certain amount) I don't feel obligated to help with someone's finances. Ultimately I don't really believe most people appreciate it if you help them financially (either as a gift or loan); they believe because you have the money you don't need the money back.
Yikes sounds like she was hoping to use you. Some people complain about money issues hoping you'll offer or so you'll listen as to why they need a loan from you. Maybe she can get a 2nd job or use those rewards apps? You can certainly pray for her or with her without opening your wallet.


And yes I think you're right. I'm starting to see it usually doesn't help them in the long run. I hate to see people struggle. Nowadays I mostly offer advice and tell them what helps me stay within budget.
 
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Maybe your brother felt more comfortable asking you because you're younger or have a history of giving when he asks?




I tried to ask him once or twice for collateral which he always refused and said I was being ridiculous. The main problem is that he lives above his means.



Last year his car needed more repairs than expected. He told me it was an emergency and needed to be paid that day. He mostly uses his car to drive friends around or go to stores outside of walking distance. I have to take public transportation to places outside of walking distance unless maybe I beg him enough to convince him to give me a ride. Same for my mom but he's more willing to give her a ride. For the first time I lended him an insane amount and I had my less paying job at the time but I really wanted to help. Usually our mom would give him extra money in times like this but she didn't have that much on hand at the time. My mom said she'd pay me back in a weeks. She's good for her word and I follow up. Before she can say anything my brother jumps in tells me he me I should be ashamed to ask back for it. He said a lot of hurtful words then said I should have given it out of the kindness of my heart. It was sort of hard times so I didn't constantly follow up but eventually I stopped and let it go. In reality it didn't need to be paid that day. He just wanted to have his car back as soon as possible and I wasn't thinking clearly. I wanted to help my mom out more so but it was still hard for me to see it as a gift. It wasn't the amount but how he insulted me so bad so I would shut up about it.

I still did lend him a few dollars here and there after that ordeal. He paid back some and the rest I let go as usual. He was outraged earlier this year when I said no to letting him "borrow" money shortly after I got a new job. I asked him when he was going to pay me back and he said sometime years from now when I get a job then laughed. Usually he'd say a few weeks and that's believeable because he gets an allowance every week. I asked him about that and he said I should stop being stingy.

Apparently he expected that I'd be willing like never before to give handouts. My salary didn't change my tax bracket and I still can't afford to move out. It was enough for me to contribute more to household costs.
His attitude was too much for me and that was it for me because he pleaded with "well I'm not asking for a lot this time, and I know you have it". He cursed me out and said I'll lose my job unless I get off my high horse.

I never flaunted nor bragged and didn't drastically change my spending habits. I still continued to gift him for birthdays and Christmas. Ever since I started working, I did get him something more expensive since I had more than when I was getting an allowance. However, still he continues to call me selfish and stingy. Usually the most he spends on a gift is the card because he doesn't want to spend much. I get that and I don't mind. Sometimes I'd feel it's unfair he'd gift his friends and not me. I do appreciate that he wished me "Happy birthday" or "Merry Christmas". Plus I loved seeing how happy he got when he got a gift.

I don't see how I'm being selfish or stingy. I thought I was sharing my wealth by buying things we need around the house. I only make more than him because allowance is less than any job we know of. He refuses to get a job that doesn't pay enough to move out and support his expensive taste.

Sorry for the long winded response and run on sentences. I feel conflicted now with gifting in the future because this year while he used the gifts he didn't seem happy or thank me. He acted so entitled and never has in the past. He actually did gift me more than a card this year and it's been years so I wasn't expecting it. He seemed offended that I was shocked. He gave it in a way that I wonder if he did it because he felt guilty or obligated. He also said "don't act like I never gifted you before". I feel rubbed the wrong way but I don't want to be petty. It's better to give than to receive but what if the receiver seems ungrateful? I don't want to make my brother feel that I'm trying to show off with gifting but I know that if I buy something inexpensive he'll complain that I'm being cheap.

My mom says to keep giving and not turn bitter or change my character. I've been praying on this for months but I don't know. It doesn't bring me to joy to gift anymore but I feel obligated.
Is your brother younger or older than you? It seems like your brother is too young to work, since he is still getting an allowance? If both of you are kids (below 18) I would let things slide a bit. However, it does seem like your brother is taking you for granted a bit. I would set some rules in place and gift him less (especially the few dollars here and there).
 

Johari

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If someone cannot pay then they cannot pay
You are not then obligated to pay for them.
they can either fundraise (by doing something, maybe busk or sell something) or get another job.

most honorable people go without rather than beg other people to maintain their lifestyle.

that said, it is also good to give. If you can and are in a position to do so. You can give in secret. Which is what the Bible tells us to do with alms so that there is no obligation.
I don't feel obligated but I feel sorry for them. I'm trying not to be a people pleaser and pray rather than immediately give. If I feel called to give I'll tell them not to worry about paying me back.


I really hate borrowing. It feels like hot potato and I try to give it back as soon as I can. I rarely ask but sometimes when friends see I have to put something back they'll insist on paying. Sometimes I know I have loose change in my purse and I can't find it so I'm like noooo wait I have it.
 

Johari

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Is your brother younger or older than you? It seems like your brother is too young to work, since he is still getting an allowance? If both of you are kids (below 18) I would let things slide a bit. However, it does seem like your brother is taking you for granted a bit. I would set some rules in place and gift him less (especially the few dollars here and there).
He's older and we're past 18. I did let things slide more when we were both getting allowances. He can easily ask for extra cash and usually get it. If not he's told to wait a week and lectured. I got the same treatment when I was on an allowance. Of course he's also told get a job but he just insists on an increase. He had been getting more than me for years because he has more expenses but he was hoping that he'd get my portion.

I work so I can't just ask for extra cash unless it's a loan even then I'd get a lecture. In general I'd rather wait than ask or borrow. I think it's fair to not allow for handouts if you're working. I understand and respect that.
 

Lanolin

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Maybe your brother felt more comfortable asking you because you're younger or have a history of giving when he asks?




I tried to ask him once or twice for collateral which he always refused and said I was being ridiculous. The main problem is that he lives above his means.



Last year his car needed more repairs than expected. He told me it was an emergency and needed to be paid that day. He mostly uses his car to drive friends around or go to stores outside of walking distance. I have to take public transportation to places outside of walking distance unless maybe I beg him enough to convince him to give me a ride. Same for my mom but he's more willing to give her a ride. For the first time I lended him an insane amount and I had my less paying job at the time but I really wanted to help. Usually our mom would give him extra money in times like this but she didn't have that much on hand at the time. My mom said she'd pay me back in a weeks. She's good for her word and I follow up. Before she can say anything my brother jumps in tells me he me I should be ashamed to ask back for it. He said a lot of hurtful words then said I should have given it out of the kindness of my heart. It was sort of hard times so I didn't constantly follow up but eventually I stopped and let it go. In reality it didn't need to be paid that day. He just wanted to have his car back as soon as possible and I wasn't thinking clearly. I wanted to help my mom out more so but it was still hard for me to see it as a gift. It wasn't the amount but how he insulted me so bad so I would shut up about it.

I still did lend him a few dollars here and there after that ordeal. He paid back some and the rest I let go as usual. He was outraged earlier this year when I said no to letting him "borrow" money shortly after I got a new job. I asked him when he was going to pay me back and he said sometime years from now when I get a job then laughed. Usually he'd say a few weeks and that's believeable because he gets an allowance every week. I asked him about that and he said I should stop being stingy.

Apparently he expected that I'd be willing like never before to give handouts. My salary didn't change my tax bracket and I still can't afford to move out. It was enough for me to contribute more to household costs.
His attitude was too much for me and that was it for me because he pleaded with "well I'm not asking for a lot this time, and I know you have it". He cursed me out and said I'll lose my job unless I get off my high horse.

I never flaunted nor bragged and didn't drastically change my spending habits. I still continued to gift him for birthdays and Christmas. Ever since I started working, I did get him something more expensive since I had more than when I was getting an allowance. However, still he continues to call me selfish and stingy. Usually the most he spends on a gift is the card because he doesn't want to spend much. I get that and I don't mind. Sometimes I'd feel it's unfair he'd gift his friends and not me. I do appreciate that he wished me "Happy birthday" or "Merry Christmas". Plus I loved seeing how happy he got when he got a gift.

I don't see how I'm being selfish or stingy. I thought I was sharing my wealth by buying things we need around the house. I only make more than him because allowance is less than any job we know of. He refuses to get a job that doesn't pay enough to move out and support his expensive taste.

Sorry for the long winded response and run on sentences. I feel conflicted now with gifting in the future because this year while he used the gifts he didn't seem happy or thank me. He acted so entitled and never has in the past. He actually did gift me more than a card this year and it's been years so I wasn't expecting it. He seemed offended that I was shocked. He gave it in a way that I wonder if he did it because he felt guilty or obligated. He also said "don't act like I never gifted you before". I feel rubbed the wrong way but I don't want to be petty. It's better to give than to receive but what if the receiver seems ungrateful? I don't want to make my brother feel that I'm trying to show off with gifting but I know that if I buy something inexpensive he'll complain that I'm being cheap.

My mom says to keep giving and not turn bitter or change my character. I've been praying on this for months but I don't know. It doesn't bring me to joy to gift anymore but I feel obligated.
nope he just asked cos I was there and picked up the phone.
most people just ask anyone if they are in a fix, they dont really think about what the other persons circumstances are.
 

Lanolin

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a church friend I knew was asking everyone on facebook for cash. she didnt really explain why she couldnt pay her bills, but the more peoole she asked I guess the more likely she would get something.

that was something she needed to sort out with her electricity provider.
 

Lanolin

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Maybe your brother felt more comfortable asking you because you're younger or have a history of giving when he asks?




I tried to ask him once or twice for collateral which he always refused and said I was being ridiculous. The main problem is that he lives above his means.



Last year his car needed more repairs than expected. He told me it was an emergency and needed to be paid that day. He mostly uses his car to drive friends around or go to stores outside of walking distance. I have to take public transportation to places outside of walking distance unless maybe I beg him enough to convince him to give me a ride. Same for my mom but he's more willing to give her a ride. For the first time I lended him an insane amount and I had my less paying job at the time but I really wanted to help. Usually our mom would give him extra money in times like this but she didn't have that much on hand at the time. My mom said she'd pay me back in a weeks. She's good for her word and I follow up. Before she can say anything my brother jumps in tells me he me I should be ashamed to ask back for it. He said a lot of hurtful words then said I should have given it out of the kindness of my heart. It was sort of hard times so I didn't constantly follow up but eventually I stopped and let it go. In reality it didn't need to be paid that day. He just wanted to have his car back as soon as possible and I wasn't thinking clearly. I wanted to help my mom out more so but it was still hard for me to see it as a gift. It wasn't the amount but how he insulted me so bad so I would shut up about it.

I still did lend him a few dollars here and there after that ordeal. He paid back some and the rest I let go as usual. He was outraged earlier this year when I said no to letting him "borrow" money shortly after I got a new job. I asked him when he was going to pay me back and he said sometime years from now when I get a job then laughed. Usually he'd say a few weeks and that's believeable because he gets an allowance every week. I asked him about that and he said I should stop being stingy.

Apparently he expected that I'd be willing like never before to give handouts. My salary didn't change my tax bracket and I still can't afford to move out. It was enough for me to contribute more to household costs.
His attitude was too much for me and that was it for me because he pleaded with "well I'm not asking for a lot this time, and I know you have it". He cursed me out and said I'll lose my job unless I get off my high horse.

I never flaunted nor bragged and didn't drastically change my spending habits. I still continued to gift him for birthdays and Christmas. Ever since I started working, I did get him something more expensive since I had more than when I was getting an allowance. However, still he continues to call me selfish and stingy. Usually the most he spends on a gift is the card because he doesn't want to spend much. I get that and I don't mind. Sometimes I'd feel it's unfair he'd gift his friends and not me. I do appreciate that he wished me "Happy birthday" or "Merry Christmas". Plus I loved seeing how happy he got when he got a gift.

I don't see how I'm being selfish or stingy. I thought I was sharing my wealth by buying things we need around the house. I only make more than him because allowance is less than any job we know of. He refuses to get a job that doesn't pay enough to move out and support his expensive taste.

Sorry for the long winded response and run on sentences. I feel conflicted now with gifting in the future because this year while he used the gifts he didn't seem happy or thank me. He acted so entitled and never has in the past. He actually did gift me more than a card this year and it's been years so I wasn't expecting it. He seemed offended that I was shocked. He gave it in a way that I wonder if he did it because he felt guilty or obligated. He also said "don't act like I never gifted you before". I feel rubbed the wrong way but I don't want to be petty. It's better to give than to receive but what if the receiver seems ungrateful? I don't want to make my brother feel that I'm trying to show off with gifting but I know that if I buy something inexpensive he'll complain that I'm being cheap.

My mom says to keep giving and not turn bitter or change my character. I've been praying on this for months but I don't know. It doesn't bring me to joy to gift anymore but I feel obligated.
your brother sounds like a brat.
why is he asking YOU. cant he ask mum or dad.
you are not being ridicolous for asking for collateral. Banks do it. pawn shops do it. why should lending be any different. If he is TRULY poor, and you gift, then you are lending to the Lord and He will pay you back.
dont rely on someone whos poor to pay back something they can never repay.
 

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I wish I would take this advice seriously. It's hard to say no to relatives despite their history of not paying me back. They always tell me to forgive or how I shouldn't be stingy with money. I also feel sorry for their situation and want to help. I don't mind giving money as a gift but I hate being lied and tricked into believing they'll pay me back. They tell me how they'll have the money to pay me back soon which is true. However, when the time comes to repay there's always an excuse as to why it'd be inconvenient. I'd appreciate payments in small amounts but they claim they'd rather save and give it all at once. If I ever do get my money back I have to constantly follow up. That gets exhausting so I usually end up letting it go and trying to see it as a gift so I don't become bitter.
I've had similar experiences too and I agree with what you say. At least you ask. Me, I just leave it. It's happened a lot of times. Although I know that God sees what we do for others and what others do for us. I think it's the right attitude to forgive but it's up to us to forgive. Those who owe us can't expect forgiveness from us. Although, forgiving is the right thing to do. I forgive for my sake. That's why it's best to avoid lending unless they are dear to you and you know 100% sure the person is going to give back your money. (Man or woman of their word) God will give us money if we ask Him. I feel He gives us enough. He gives me enough to get by. I'm thankful to God for that.
 

Johari

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your brother sounds like a brat.
why is he asking YOU. cant he ask mum or dad.
you are not being ridicolous for asking for collateral. Banks do it. pawn shops do it. why should lending be any different. If he is TRULY poor, and you gift, then you are lending to the Lord and He will pay you back.
dont rely on someone whos poor to pay back something they can never repay.
He does ask but sometimes they will tell him no. I think he asks me because I would rarely say no.

He's not poor and gifts his friends. He complains the allowance isn't enough but doesn't want to work even though he'd get paid much more. He's familiar with 2 Thessalonians 3:10 but wants to wait for the perfect job not work any ole job. I'll stay out of it and just offer advice if he ever asks.
 

Johari

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I've had similar experiences too and I agree with what you say. At least you ask. Me, I just leave it. It's happened a lot of times. Although I know that God sees what we do for others and what others do for us. I think it's the right attitude to forgive but it's up to us to forgive. Those who owe us can't expect forgiveness from us. Although, forgiving is the right thing to do. I forgive for my sake. That's why it's best to avoid lending unless they are dear to you and you know 100% sure the person is going to give back your money. (Man or woman of their word) God will give us money if we ask Him. I feel He gives us enough. He gives me enough to get by. I'm thankful to God for that.
Yes I need to forgive. I feel mostly mad at myself for making these foolish decisions.

And thank you for pointing that out. My mom says the same thing about how GOD gives us enough and restores. I didn't get into debt and I shouldn't complain because things could be worse.