The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
Do you believe that having been redeemed from the curse of the law one is saved from the penalty of sin?
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5¶He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10¶For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13¶Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might recieve the promise of the Spirit through faith.

THROUGH FAITH . NOT THROUGH THE WORKS OF THE LAW .
 
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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
According to the passage how and what were they redeemed from?
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Let's see :
9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10¶For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11But that no man is justified BY THE LAW the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live BY FAITH .

12And the law is NOT of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13¶Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

He dealt with the law so that all come simply through faith.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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brightfame52 said:
Another passage of scripture that Illustrates and proves that Christs death effects saving/converting results is 1 Pet 1:18-21

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 35
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Again, this does not support your view,

no one is arguing against this, we are rubbing about how and what is done for this to be accomplished
 
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brightfame52 said:
According to the passage how and what were they redeemed from?
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Already answered

if you would look to thenlaw as I asked you to. You would see

your refusal to do this is telling
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
I understand why you do not want an answer. I do not believe that the scriptures support the reign of Christ staying on earth after his second coming and reigning over his kingdom. His kingdom came in the form of his bride, the church, in the generation of his apostles preaching, repent, for the kingdom of heaven (the church) is at hand.

You do understand that God inspired his words to be a mystery to the wise and prudent, and revealed them (through the revelation of the Holy Spirit) unto babes in Christ, do you not?
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it is true as He told Pilate, His kingdom is not of this world.

but it's equally true that He taught us to pray, may His will be done on earth just as it is in heaven.

i am opposed to the neo-apostolic dominionism ideas. a kingdom does not exist without its King. but i would not be quick to rule out the King reigning over His inheritance on earth just because He first walked it as a pauper ;)
 
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5¶He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10¶For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13¶Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might recieve the promise of the Spirit through faith.

THROUGH FAITH . NOT THROUGH THE WORKS OF THE LAW .
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Evasion and rabit trail from simple question
 
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ForestGreenCook

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eternally-gratefull said:
He Bible does not say this.

your making things up

and you have God sending people to hell, against your own belief system, when he could have saved them
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I can give you scriptures, but I thought you were versed in the scriptures enough to know where they are. Do you want me to list them for you?
 
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brightfame52 said:
Your questions are your attempt to evade my questions regarding my post points.
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Dude you the one evading, I have answered every one of your questions, you answer mine now. Or prove you have no answer,

the choice is yours
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ForestGreenCook said:
I can give you scriptures, but I thought you were versed in the scriptures enough to know where they are. Do you want me to list them for you?
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Give me scriptures which prove your point God is sending people to hell when he has the power to save them?

yes I would like to see why God is doing this
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The sin of unbelief. God will not force you to receive his gift, if you die having rejected his gift. then you will have died in the state of committing the unpardonable sin
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So all sins haven't been taken away. Unbelievers retain their sin.

Which is what I have been showing all along.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Well yes

lol. Sorry, but I have to laugh at this.

the sacrifices of the law were done to redeem the nation of Israel from sin, on the day of atonement all the ins of the past year were forgiven.
have you studied the law any?
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You said yes, so everyone Christ died for has been saved from the penalty of sin. He redeemed them from the curse of the law by being made a curse for them . Now that proves the limited extent of Christ death since all are not saved from the penalty of sin.
 
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Grandpa said:
So all sins haven't been taken away. Unbelievers retain their sin.

Which is what I have been showing all along.
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if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.​
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what is there to argue?? clearly unbelief = ya still got sin & no remedy for them
i am waffling between reading all 23 pages of this thread or maybe it isn't worth reading. :p
 
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posthuman said:
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i am waffling between reading all 23 pages of this thread or maybe it isn't worth reading. :p
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wait let me guess:

748,906,224 angels on the head of a pin











it's just a guess from a fool, don't get upset.
 
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