The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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eternally-gratefull

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brightfame52 said:
Their sins were remitted at the cross, they had faith in His Blood before Christ came and died Rom 3:24-25

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

God was righteous in remitting their sins in the past based upon the finished work of Christ which was yet future. They had Faith in His Blood as a propitiation just like NT saints. The OT Saints look forward to the Blood, the NT Saints look backwards to the Blood.

Im not going to keep telling you this, you either believe it, or God has hid it from you
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Thank you

their remission came based on faith. Not based on regeneration
 
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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
We've got understand the difference between remission and redemption. Today we recieve both . Before the cross they only had remission.
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You have to stop your hate of calvin, you hate it so much you make up arguments that make absolutely no sense, and actually makes the rest of us who are against double predestination look bad.

when God said he removed sin as far as the east is from the west he meant it,

when he said abraham, by faith was justified, he meant it

non of these things are possible apart from remission

God is outside time, stop limiting God because you hate a theology!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
Abraham only had his sins remitted. They were not redeemed ( taken away ) until the cross .Otherwise it was not necessary for Jesus to die .
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Then he was not justified, he was not made righteous

you Can have it both ways Man
 
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throughfaith said:
We've got understand the difference between remission and redemption. Today we recieve both . Before the cross they only had remission.
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help me understand what the difference is
 
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throughfaith

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brightfame52 said:
Their sins were remitted at the cross, they had faith in His Blood before Christ came and died Rom 3:24-25

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

God was righteous in remitting their sins in the past based upon the finished work of Christ which was yet future. They had Faith in His Blood as a propitiation just like NT saints. The OT Saints look forward to the Blood, the NT Saints look backwards to the Blood.

Im not going to keep telling you this, you either believe it, or God has hid it from you
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Do you think the diciples had faith in his blood before he went to the cross? Do you think they understood the cross , if so please show some verses that they understood the cross prior ?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
He was justified by faith . But if Jesus did not redeem his sin on the cross then he would have to go to hell . Sin had to be taken away. Not just covered .
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So God could have made a mistake?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
No Abraham was forgiven awaiting redemption. But until redemption he was not redeemed by the blood yet .
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Nope

he was redeemed

God is outside of time.

God knows all things as if they already happened

unless God failed, in which case, well non of this is meaningful anyway, god is as flawed as we are
 
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throughfaith said:
Why did they have to sacrifice year after year then ? Did they not sin after their other sins were taken care of ? Why did David pray to not have the Holy Spirit taken from him ect ? There was no sacrifice for his type of sins ?
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Has christ come yet
the blood of bulls and goats NEVER TOOK AWAY SIN

never means never,

for years, animal sacrifice was not even possible there was no temple. Are those people lost because the anual sacrifice of atonment was not possible?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
We are talking about what HAD to happen in ORDER for Sins to be dealt with .
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Yep

and God knew all this before time began, that’s hoe predistination could take place,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
Do you think the diciples had faith in his blood before he went to the cross? Do you think they understood the cross , if so please show some verses that they understood the cross prior ?
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Does not matter

they had faith, God saved them they are saved the same way you and I were
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Has christ come yet
the blood of bulls and goats NEVER TOOK AWAY SIN

never means never,

for years, animal sacrifice was not even possible there was no temple. Are those people lost because the anual sacrifice of atonment was not possible?
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There sins were completely dealt with on the cross. Prior to that they died in a state of grace awaiting redemption in ' Abraham's bosom ' .
 
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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
There sins were completely dealt with on the cross. Prior to that they died in a state of grace awaiting redemption in ' Abraham's bosom ' .
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They were just as saved as you and I are brother

using this argument to try to defeat calvinism is pointless
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
They were just as saved as you and I are brother

using this argument to try to defeat calvinism is pointless
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Not so . Today we recieve remission AND redemption immediately upon faith on Jesus. Thats what eternal security today is based on .
 
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