Do you wish all human can be saved?

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soberxp

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Pls answer yes or no.then quiet scripture.and your understanding about bible.
Matthew 5:37
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37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Does God want everyone to be saved?

Does the Bible require loving your God with all your heart?

Do you wish all human can be saved?

If the Scripture says someone can't be saved So why someone had to be born in The world(It's not a question that has to be answered)

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies? (Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)


If someone quotes the Bible to tell you that some people can't be saved, why should still preach the Bible to everyone?(It's not a question that has to be answered)
 
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Yes God wants everyone saved.
No that is not a requirement or no one would be saved
Ideally yes I would love to see all people saved.
The Bible does not say that there are people who can't be saved.
 
ewq1938

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Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.



The way to destruction is wide and many will be destroyed. FEW will find the way to life.
 
soberxp

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ewq1938 said:
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The way to destruction is wide and many will be destroyed. FEW will find the way to life.
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narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,

Leading to destruction can also mean something else,For example, with hatred for the enemy, to destroy the enemy's life.
It seems that there are many Christians on the road to hatred,The road to destruction.Do you agree?

Don't we need to learn the way to save?should we more closer as Jesus Christ?

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies? (Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)
 
ewq1938

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soberxp said:
narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,
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Which simply proves a small amount finds life, the rest (the majority) find destruction which would be the lake of fire.
 
soberxp

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ewq1938 said:
Which simply proves a small amount finds life, the rest (the majority) find destruction which would be the lake of fire.
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Matthew 7:15
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15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

I think you are using the mentality of wolf eating sheep to understand the Scripture.
 
ewq1938

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soberxp said:
Matthew 7:15
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15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

I think you are using the mentality of wolf eating sheep to understand the Scripture.
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lol, such a strange response.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Does Christ say "all" find life or does he say "few"?
 
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ewq1938 said:
lol, such a strange response.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Does Christ say "all" find life or does he say "few"?
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Do you think you can be saved and many people can't?
or You think you're the few of Christians can find The way. Most Christians can't find the way?
Do you realize that you reject unbelievers as most christians do?
Do you realize that you hate unbelievers as most christians do?

Don't you realize that you are a wolf in sheep's clothing
 
ewq1938

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soberxp said:
Do you think you can be saved and many people can't?
or You think you're the few of Christians can find The way. Most Christians can't find the way?
Do you realize that you reject unbelievers as most christians do?
Do you realize that you hate unbelievers as most christians do?

Don't you realize that you are a wolf in sheep's clothing
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I'm quoting Christ so you are accusing him of being a wolf in sheep's clothing. Oops.
 
soberxp

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ewq1938 said:
I'm quoting Christ so you are accusing him of being a wolf in sheep's clothing. Oops.
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Do you think you can be saved and many people can't?
or You think you're the few of Christians can find The way. Most Christians can't find the way?
Do you realize that you reject unbelievers as most christians do?
Do you realize that you hate unbelievers as most christians do?
Do you think Jesus Christ would do things above as you?
Don't you realize that you are a wolf in sheep's clothing
 
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2 Peter 3:9
9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It's not that God wants anyone to perish and he takes no pleasure when they do perish. However, he makes it a foregone conclusion that refusing to repent is tantamount to willful spiritual suicide.

Ezekiel 33:11
11Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
 
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soberxp said:
narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,

Leading to destruction can also mean something else,For example, with hatred for the enemy, to destroy the enemy's life.
It seems that there are many Christians on the road to hatred,The road to destruction.Do you agree?

Don't we need to learn the way to save?should we more closer as Jesus Christ?

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies? (Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)
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In context. Destruction represents Hell. So no, we have no other interpretations. God wished all would be saved. But God also knows many will rebel. I as His creation could wish all day but it would be pointless. If God wished it and yet in scripture Hell is still very much a real place then it is God's will for salvation to be to those who believe in Christ.
 
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13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Tell yourself honestly, which one of these words is telling you who can be saved and who can't be saved.why and how?

Didn't know whether if you find that the saying"those who don't believe must go die " has prevented many people from believing in God.

If you are only a believer, where does the superior feeling of salvation come from?

If just pretending a posturing believer is narrow road,It's all right I rather don't go this way.or If just a believer is narrow road,It's all right I rather don't go this way.

The narrow road is the road leading to life

leading!!! as a believer leading unbeliever to life.

Sorry, if my words make you angry, I apologize to you
 
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soberxp said:
Pls answer yes or no.then quiet scripture.and your understanding about bible.
Matthew 5:37
King James Version
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Does God want everyone to be saved?

Does the Bible require loving your God with all your heart?

Do you wish all human can be saved?

If the Scripture says someone can't be saved So why someone had to be born in The world(It's not a question that has to be answered)

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies? (Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)


If someone quotes the Bible to tell you that some people can't be saved, why should still preach the Bible to everyone?(It's not a question that has to be answered)
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do I wish all could be saved?
Well yes I do.
However, there are people I have met, who shouldn't be allowed in the kingdom of God.
 
soberxp

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soberxp said:
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Tell yourself honestly, which one of these words is telling you who can be saved and who can't be saved.why and how?

Didn't know whether if you find that the saying"those who don't believe must go die " has prevented many people from believing in God.

If you are only a believer, where does the superior feeling of salvation come from?

If just pretending a posturing believer is narrow road,It's all right I rather don't go this way.or If just a believer is narrow road,It's all right I rather don't go this way.

The narrow road is the road leading to life

leading!!! as a believer leading unbeliever to life.

Sorry, if my words make you angry, I apologize to you
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Matthew 7:15
King James Version
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Shepherds protect sheep, only wolves lead sheep to destruction.
The broad road is obvious, just simple as a wolf leading sheep to destruction.

Taking a narrow road requires a lot of work inward.
 
UCA4J

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soberxp said:
Matthew 7:15
King James Version
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Shepherds protect sheep, only wolves lead sheep to destruction.
The broad road is obvious, just simple as a wolf leading sheep to destruction.

Taking a narrow road requires a lot of work inward.
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what's the width of a narrow road ?
 
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soberxp said:
Pls answer yes or no.then quiet scripture.and your understanding about bible.
Matthew 5:37
King James Version
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Does God want everyone to be saved?
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God does not want anyone to perish but all to be saved.. But some people will not accept the Way God has made to be saved and so some shall not be saved..

scripture:
2 Peter 3: KJV
9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Does the Bible require loving your God with all your heart?
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Indeed we should love the LORD with all our heart and mind..

Mark 12: KJV
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

But again basic Christianity 101 all people fall short of the standard of the commandments thus we all need the Atonement of Jesus to have forgiveness for where we have fallen short and failed to live up to the commandments of God..


Do you wish all human can be saved?
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Yes.. I do not wish eternal torment for any human being..

If the Scripture says someone can't be saved So why someone had to be born in The world(It's not a question that has to be answered)
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God foreknows each person before they are even born.. And thus knows if they will accept the Way He has made for them to be saved or Reject the Way He has made for them to be saved.. So God can say and does know if someone will not be saved. God created free willed real beings.. with a Choice.. To have a choice to accept the offer of Jesus one also MUST have the option to reject the offer of Jesus.. Once you create free willed beings on earth you will have both.. Take away free will and you end up with no real created beings at all,, Just zombies..

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies? (Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)
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Yes the Bible tells us to love our enemies and not to take revenge on others.. We pass all judgement over to God and by not taking revenge we give the other person more time to repent of their evil toward us and be saved.. Jesus wanted those who executed Him to be forgiven.. So we also should desire those who do us wrong to repent and be forgiven..

Luke 6: KJV
27 "¶ But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, {28} Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you."


If someone quotes the Bible to tell you that some people can't be saved, why should still preach the Bible to everyone?(It's not a question that has to be answered)
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We do not know that persons future.. Only God does.. We may believe that are a useless / hopeless case.. But we are just human beings we are not perfect.. So we preach the message of the Gospel to them in the hope that one day before they die they will come to accept the good news of the Gospel and they will be saved..
 
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UCA4J said:
what's the width of a narrow road ?
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How hard it is to be like Jesus Christ, how narrow the road is.
For example, even if Jesus Christ suffered on the cross, he did not forget to say, father, please forgive them, for they did not know what they were doing.
For those who don't believe in bible, we should be like what Jesus Christ inward. Father, please forgive them. for they don't know what they are doing
The road is narrow and few people are found, but it does not mean that few people are saved. The people who find the road can leading others walking through this road.
 
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soberxp said:
The road is narrow and few people are found, but it does not mean that few people are saved.
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Yes it does mean few are saved. Christ says the majority find destruction not life. Your Universalism is a false doctrine.
 
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