Is the law a blessing or a curse?

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echoChrist

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In order to be justified, you had to do what Moses commanded,

confirm and obey every word of this law. Otherwise, you are cursed

paul tried to show this to you all in Galatians When he repeated Moses command.
no one can be justified by thenlaw the law brings knowledge of sin, but it has no answer to the problem of sin,

that’s what you lawyers seem to fail to grasp.
I know perfectly well Christ's sacrifice condemned sin in the flesh.
 

echoChrist

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Once again, the law is a whole

you advocate the law is in effect. Hence you must advocate it all.

thats the point he is trying to show you
[Oh really] (Romans 8:4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [There's that law again can't abolish it, it's spiritual, and here let me back up in case you don't understand] (Romans 7:25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. [There's that law again and look it even mentions a different one law of sin.] (Romans 6:16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? [Wow there's a verse you don't see everyday talking about obedience and I remind you this is new testament not old so you can't say this is not of new covenant this is life in the Spirit.]
 

Blik

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I am not posting anything against the law

i am exposing your many sins though

instead of trying to judge me, try for one s king yourself what God thinks of you bearing false witness against so many people, yet trying to preach how you need to follow Gods commands (by defenition, being a hypocrite)
So you are "exposing" me without accusing me of being a sinner? As you accuse me you "do'n't accuse" me!! Name one thing that I have posted that is not scripture based.

You post Paul's arguments if you can make them against law, without giving Paul's conclusions about the law. Paul always concludes that the law is good and if we are in Christ we do not go against the law. Thank the Lord you are not against the law of love, but your aim to to divorce the law from love, something that is entirely false.

Then!! with all your accusing of others, you pretend to be so saintly you never accuse as you accuse others of accusing, not simply stating the truths of the Lord. Impossible situation!!!! I mostly ignore you, but sometimes you are too irritating and wrong to ignore.

If we were living in the time of the first churches, this could be handled by the elders of the church and they would correct you.
 

echoChrist

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So you are "exposing" me without accusing me of being a sinner? As you accuse me you "do'n't accuse" me!! Name one thing that I have posted that is not scripture based.

You post Paul's arguments if you can make them against law, without giving Paul's conclusions about the law. Paul always concludes that the law is good and if we are in Christ we do not go against the law. Thank the Lord you are not against the law of love, but your aim to to divorce the law from love, something that is entirely false.

Then!! with all your accusing of others, you pretend to be so saintly you never accuse as you accuse others of accusing, not simply stating the truths of the Lord. Impossible situation!!!! I mostly ignore you, but sometimes you are too irritating and wrong to ignore.

If we were living in the time of the first churches, this could be handled by the elders of the church and they would correct you.
It's his pride of knowledge he accuses everyone else of having.
 

Journeyman

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Do any of the Christians here see the law as a blessing and not a curse? The 119th Psalm says it is a blessing, do you agree?

Here are some of my thoughts about what scripture tells us about the law:

There are many posts speaking against the law, but both our secular and spiritual life is governed by law.

We accept the secular law as good, yet there is no forgiveness for disobeying those laws, and there is forgiveness for disobeying the laws given us by the Lord. Yet even those who live a life forgiven by the lord and made righteous through Him complain and bring out that the laws are a curse because unforgiven disobedience has a curse of death.

The spiritual laws need to be obeyed through the heart, and not through legalism. Some Christians believe the Lord cancelled all the law He gave us because of this. They say the law is only a schoolmaster, and we do not need it any more. Do you think this?
The law can either be a blessing, or a curse,

Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Heb.10:15-17

The law is a blessing this way, because it shows us how we all need God's mercy and to be merciful, as Jesus teaches.

The law is a curse if we think we are better than others, or unwilling to forgive. As Jesus reminded people with stones in their hands.
 

ewq1938

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You are not following Paul at all.
You are the one not understanding Paul. We are to be dead to the old law which frees us from the curse and wrath of that law so we can establish and obey the new law.
 

echoChrist

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It's his pride of knowledge he accuses everyone else of having.
You are the one not understanding Paul. We are to be dead to the old law which frees us from the curse and wrath of that law so we can establish and obey the new law.
And how do you define this new law.
 

ewq1938

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And how do you define this new law.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


There are only two laws. The old Sinai law of sin and death and the "law of Christ" which is the law of the Spirit of life!
 

echoChrist

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Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


There are only two laws. The old Sinai law of sin and death and the "law of Christ" which is the law of the Spirit of life!
We all know what it's called how do you apply it in your life through faith and obedience or disobedience which is dead faith.
 

echoChrist

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Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


There are only two laws. The old Sinai law of sin and death and the "law of Christ" which is the law of the Spirit of life!
And God's Holy commandments aren't called sin and death they're called holy, just, and good what Bible are you reading.
 

ewq1938

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We all know what it's called how do you apply it in your life through faith and obedience or disobedience which is dead faith.
Let's get back to the main issue. You teach to obey the law of sin and death, the law of Moses, where Paul said to be free from that law and to obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
 

echoChrist

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Let's get back to the main issue. You teach to obey the law of sin and death, the law of Moses, where Paul said to be free from that law and to obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
Here we go again with putting words in peoples mouth, first the law of sin and death is living in the flesh without Spirit but I have the testimony of life in Christ thats what I teach which includes what Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. And I like how you dodged my question which you have no explanation for when you teach lawlessness.
 

Magenta

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Name one thing that I have posted that is not scripture based.
Saying (quite a few times) that Adam and Eve ate an apple (which caused the fall of man).

You can do a search for the word "apple" of Blik's post stream and see how often she has done this.

Here is one example:

Here is the history. We were created to live without knowing any sin, and the first people created
(Adam and Eve) were to not touch sin represented by what scripture calls an apple tree.
Whereas Scripture says no such thing. Let's call it what Scripture does: the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Putting Satan's words in God's mouth and vice versa.

Claiming someone is in error when what they have done is post Scripture :oops::censored:
 

Blik

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You are the one not understanding Paul. We are to be dead to the old law which frees us from the curse and wrath of that law so we can establish and obey the new law.
Scripture does not say we are to be "dead to the old law". It says we are to be dead to sin.

Romans 6: 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
 

echoChrist

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Scripture does not say we are to be "dead to the old law". It says we are to be dead to sin.

Romans 6: 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
I think some people want to abolish commandments so they can compromise with the world.
 

echoChrist

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Let's get back to the main issue. You teach to obey the law of sin and death, the law of Moses, where Paul said to be free from that law and to obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
Let me ask you this do you think you can break everyone of ten commandments after accepting Christ and knowledge of the truth and still be righteous?
 

Blik

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Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
This scripture is not telling us we are not to obey the commandments of the spirit of the lord which is the law. It is saying that Christ freed us from our sins when we disobeyed the law.

Paul told us: Romans 6:2 "God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

The law defines sin.
 

echoChrist

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This scripture is not telling us we are not to obey the commandments of the spirit of the lord which is the law. It is saying that Christ freed us from our sins when we disobeyed the law.

Paul told us: Romans 6:2 "God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

The law defines sin.
Some just don't understand gift of the Spirit. It's not a free pass to sin willfully with no punishment. You get it blik they can accuse you all they want for being obedient but at least your doing what Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments.