In the beginning

[Blackpowderduelist]

Sometime after the creation Satan entered the earth, Eve wasn't deceived on the first day she was created. The Bible doesn't say how long they were in the garden before they sinned.
All we know is that some time after the creation of Eve, Satan entered the world and then at some point began to tempt Eve.

 

[Adstar]

Satan would have appeared to Adam and Eve, after being kicked out of heaven.
Adam and Eve would not have known about that.

Satan was not kicked out of heaven at that time.. He still had the freedom to go visit earth and come back into heaven during the times of Job..

Job 2: KJV
1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. {2} And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. {3} And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause."

 

[PC123]

I struggle to understand how God created out of nothing ,but i believe what it says . And a metaphor is not a riddle .

Only God can create something out of nothing. We know that.
U seemed to have messed the point I was making which is this; not all the bible is literal.

But back to my original question which u just keep dodging... How does Satan appear in the garden of Eden on the 7th day?
If u have an explanation then I'm keen on hearing it. If not then just say u don't know instead of trying to claim infallibility

 

[PC123]

Sometime after the creation Satan entered the earth, Eve wasn't deceived on the first day she was created. The Bible doesn't say how long they were in the garden before they sinned.
All we know is that some time after the creation of Eve, Satan entered the world and then at some point began to tempt Eve.

Well thought out. I also think that Satan most probably appeared sometime after the 7th day

 

[PC123]

Satan was not kicked out of heaven at that time.. He still had the freedom to go visit earth and come back into heaven during the times of Job..

Job 2: KJV
1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. {2} And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. {3} And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause."

Hmmm that is an interesting point u make... Then he is really still Lucifer in the book of Job...
And so I'm thinking it is possible that Lucifer was the snake, before he was cast out of heaven and became Satan...

Thanks for your feedback

 

[throughfaith]

Only God can create something out of nothing. We know that.
U seemed to have messed the point I was making which is this; not all the bible is literal.

But back to my original question which u just keep dodging... How does Satan appear in the garden of Eden on the 7th day?
If u have an explanation then I'm keen on hearing it. If not then just say u don't know instead of trying to claim infallibility

the creation of the angels was prior to day 3 during creation week. From Genesis 1, God created the foundations of the earth on either day 1 (earth created) or day 3 (land and water separated). The logical inference is that the angels were created on either day 1 or at least by day 3.

If not, then the physical stars (created on day 4) were present while the angels shouted for joy. If this was the case, then morning stars and angels did their singing and shouting after the stars were created.

It seems most likely that morning stars symbolize heavenly host. Satan, a heavenly host, was called a morning star; therefore, Satan and the angels were created sometime prior to day 3 (or early on day 3), possibly on day 1.

When he sinned, he was cast from heaven (Isaiah 14:12). This must have been after day 6 of creation week because God pronounced everything very good (Genesis 1:31). Otherwise, God would have pronounced Satan’s rebellion very good; yet throughout Scripture, God is absolute that sin is detestable in His eyes.
( Answers in Genesis )

 

[Adstar]

Hmmm that is an interesting point u make... Then he is really still Lucifer in the book of Job...
And so I'm thinking it is possible that Lucifer was the snake, before he was cast out of heaven and became Satan...

Thanks for your feedback

Satan was a winged Cherub.. He was not a human type Angel.. But a beast hybrid Angel.. Hint not all angels have wings.. So in his earthly form He may have appeared as he was.. But after the fall of adam and eve his appearance became as a serpent.. He lost his beauty..

In the Book of Revelations ( which is predominantly a book of Prophecy ) there is a war predicted to happen in heaven when satan and his angels will be defeated by Micheal and his Angels and when satan is cast out of heaven to earth.. The warning is given that woe to the earth because satan has come down to you with great wrath because he knows His time is short ,,meaning,, satan being cast out of heaven will be an event near to the end times.. From scripture i do not believe satan was cast out of heaven when popular traditions which dominate theology believe he was..

There where other angels who came down to earth during the times of Noah and these sinned by taking human woman and having hybrid offspring from them that the Bible calls giants.. These Angels where punished by being cast into the bottomless pit.. Popular belief is that somehow satan was one of them and thats where you get the belief that satan is down in hell ruling the place.. The link between the bottomless pit and hell is not solid. I believe they are two different places.. There is a ruler of the Angels who where cast down into the bottomless pit and he is not named as satan. he is called Abaddon in Hebrew or Apollyon is Greek:

Revelation 9: KJV
11 "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

This fallen angel is not satan and these will be released from the bottomless pit during the End times wrath as a judgement upon the people of earth for worshiping the image of the beast and receiving the Mark of the Beast..

 

[PC123]

Satan was a winged Cherub.. He was not a human type Angel.. But a beast hybrid Angel.. Hint not all angels have wings.. So in his earthly form He may have appeared as he was.. But after the fall of adam and eve his appearance became as a serpent.. He lost his beauty..

In the Book of Revelations ( which is predominantly a book of Prophecy ) there is a war predicted to happen in heaven when satan and his angels will be defeated by Micheal and his Angels and when satan is cast out of heaven to earth.. The warning is given that woe to the earth because satan has come down to you with great wrath because he knows His time is short ,,meaning,, satan being cast out of heaven will be an event near to the end times.. From scripture i do not believe satan was cast out of heaven when popular traditions which dominate theology believe he was..

Hmm how dare you challenge me with more interesting points... LoL...... Im just joking...

I had wondered that as well... The book of Rev is a book of prophecy... John wrote it as he saw it which makes it sound like its in the past.

Some great food for thought... The first thing I noticed when reviewing chapter 12 is that woman, she is described like she might be Mary... Hmmm who can truly say that they have interpreted Revelation... Its so cryptic...

So I did a bit more searching and came across this excellent piece that tries to answer
"When did Satan sweep a third of the angels away to the Earth? When was Satan cast out of heaven?"

He talks about the 3 main opinions which are

VIEW #1: The original fall of Satan in the Garden of Eden (or before).
VIEW #2: The defeat of Satan at the Cross and Resurrection of Christ.
VIEW #3: The casting out of Satan in the future tribulation.

And gives his conclusion which gives me more food for thought.

There where other angels who came down to earth during the times of Noah and these sinned by taking human woman and having hybrid offspring from them that the Bible calls giants.. These Angels where punished by being cast into the bottomless pit.. Popular belief is that somehow satan was one of them and thats where you get the belief that satan is down in hell ruling the place.. The link between the bottomless pit and hell is not solid. I believe they are two different places.. There is a ruler of the Angels who where cast down into the bottomless pit and he is not named as satan. he is called Abaddon in Hebrew or Apollyon is Greek:

Revelation 9: KJV
11 "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

This fallen angel is not satan and these will be released from the bottomless pit during the End times wrath as a judgement upon the people of earth for worshiping the image of the beast and receiving the Mark of the Beast..

Hmmm, interesting... And there are two beasts in chapter 13... Any thoughts?

 

[PC123]

the creation of the angels was prior to day 3 during creation week. From Genesis 1, God created the foundations of the earth on either day 1 (earth created) or day 3 (land and water separated). The logical inference is that the angels were created on either day 1 or at least by day 3.

If not, then the physical stars (created on day 4) were present while the angels shouted for joy. If this was the case, then morning stars and angels did their singing and shouting after the stars were created.

It seems most likely that morning stars symbolize heavenly host. Satan, a heavenly host, was called a morning star; therefore, Satan and the angels were created sometime prior to day 3 (or early on day 3), possibly on day 1.

When he sinned, he was cast from heaven (Isaiah 14:12). This must have been after day 6 of creation week because God pronounced everything very good (Genesis 1:31). Otherwise, God would have pronounced Satan’s rebellion very good; yet throughout Scripture, God is absolute that sin is detestable in His eyes.
( Answers in Genesis )

Ye it could be...

In Revelation 12 the dragons tail wipes out "a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth"
It is thought that those stars are angels, so that supports your thinking as well there...

How about the thought that the encounter between Eve and the snake happened sometime after the 7th day?
Someone else gave that suggestion and its one that I had pondered as well

Adstar made some good points as well I thought...
I came across this article which I thought was interesting as well
"When did Satan sweep a third of the angels away to the Earth? When was Satan cast out of heaven?"

Hmmm interpreting Holy scripture is not an easy task... Not for me anyway.
As long as I can see a reasonable doubt then I will be uncertain.

 

[throughfaith]

Ye it could be...

In Revelation 12 the dragons tail wipes out "a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth"
It is thought that those stars are angels, so that supports your thinking as well there...

How about the thought that the encounter between Eve and the snake happened sometime after the 7th day?
Someone else gave that suggestion and its one that I had pondered as well

Adstar made some good points as well I thought...
I came across this article which I thought was interesting as well
"When did Satan sweep a third of the angels away to the Earth? When was Satan cast out of heaven?"

Hmmm interpreting Holy scripture is not an easy task... Not for me anyway.
As long as I can see a reasonable doubt then I will be uncertain.

The fall happens after day 7 .

 

[PC123]

You asked a question I answered. You don't like my answer? Oh well.

See this is what I mean. I agree with your answer... God is light. I even said in my op... But you're too hostile to notice it

U could have contributed to an insightful discussion but u chose to be obnoxious. Over what? Nothing

 

[PC123]

The fall happens after day 7 .

So do u think that's the most probable explanation?
Or do u think it's the only explanation?

 

[throughfaith]

So do u think that's the most probable explanation?
Or do u think it's the only explanation?

Before this would violate " And it was very good "

 

[PC123]

Before this would violate " And it was very good "

I don't follow. I just asked if you think its the only possible explanation? A simple yes or no is all I'm asking

 

[throughfaith]

I don't follow. I just asked if you think its the only possible explanation? A simple yes or no is all I'm asking

Looking back at the Creation Week, Adam and Eve couldn’t have sinned on Day 6 (the day Adam and the Woman were created), since God declared that everything was “very good.” Otherwise, sin would be very good. Day 7 is also unlikely, since God sanctified that day. Therefore, the Fall likely happened soon after this.

 

[Magenta]

See this is what I mean. I agree with your answer... God is light. I even said in my op... But you're too hostile to notice it

U could have contributed to an insightful discussion but u chose to be obnoxious. Over what? Nothing

LOL. You criticized me and my response up and down.

You even acted like my response had nothing to do with the discussion,
when I gave a direct, Biblical answer to a question you asked more than once.

Perhaps you need to look at your attitude. Obviously something is bothering you.

 

[Magenta]

Plus, my merely acknowledging that you did not like my response
can hardly be called hostile and obnoxious. Look to your own attitude.

I have made meaningful contributions to questions you have
asked, but you dismiss them, or completely ignore them.

 

[OneFaith]

God created the heavens and the earth...

What happens next... Are the 7 days literal 7 days? If so then how is it possible for Satan to already be there to tempt Eve?
Is that enough for the war in heaven and for Lucifer to be banished with 1/3 of the angels?

Also God makes the sun, moon and stars on day for. Therefore what light does he shine on the 1st day to clear away the darkness?

Maybe there is a considerable amount of time after God made the heavens and earth. The way the 2nd verse starts with "now" makes it sound like there was some time lost in between. Who knows how much time there was before then.
And i read something that suggested that this darkness at the start was evil and that God shines His light to flush it away so he can begin creating...

There are a few different beliefs on creation so let me hear them...

Yes, they were literal 7 24 hour periods. He shortened how long we live, not how long a day is, because in the beginning they lived over nine hundred years. God put a sun and moon to mark days, months, and years for us to know what He means when the bible uses these terms.

God knows all before anything happens- therefore He can adjust things to have perfect timing- like foreknowing that satan would fall from heaven, and when to create the world to send him to. Satan was not there the first week. Who knows how long it took Adam and Eve to sin- it could have been years.

It hadn’t rained until Noah got in the ark. Water came up from the ground to water plants. (Which is why it was hard to believe Noah- that water would fall from the sky). So why is it hard to believe that plants can’t go one day without sunlight? Plants were made on day three, and sun and moon on day four- that’s not a long time in between.

The light created on day one was not the sun, moon, and stars, it was Jesus. Matter of fact- that is what “son” means- created from the father (and mother in most cases, but not in His case). The bible says that Jesus is the light of the world. After the Father created Jesus, Jesus then helped create everything else. The bible says nothing was made without Jesus. All things (all things physical) were created by Jesus and for Jesus- even the tree that He would eventually die on.

 

[Magenta]

Sometime after the creation Satan entered the earth, Eve wasn't deceived on the first day she was created. The Bible doesn't say how long they were in the garden before they sinned.
All we know is that some time after the creation of Eve, Satan entered the world and then at some point began to tempt Eve.

Satan's temptation/deception could have been on Eve's first day

As you say, we are not told that particular time-line

 

[Magenta]

The light created on day one was not the sun, moon, and stars, it was Jesus. Matter of fact- that is what “son” means- created from the father (and mother in most cases, but not in His case). The bible says that Jesus is the light of the world. After the Father created Jesus, Jesus then helped create everything else. The bible says nothing was made without Jesus. All things (all things physical) were created by Jesus and for Jesus- even the tree that He would eventually die on.

I made that point also, and was told I was speculating and not on topic to a question the OP asked more than once

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