Do we have to love our enemies in order to be saved?
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Salvation by grace means you are not saved by your own merits. Of course a sufficient amount of holiness is necessary for salvation (adulterers, fornicators, liars, thieves, etc, will not enter heaven).
According to the Gospel of Grace we don't have to perform a long list of Mitzvot; all we have to do is to believe in Jesus; seek the presence of the Holy Spirit and follow the teachings of the apostles.
According to the Gospel of Grace we don't have to perform a long list of Mitzvot; all we have to do is to believe in Jesus; seek the presence of the Holy Spirit and follow the teachings of the apostles.
Apparently, I may not replying correctly on threads. I first started talking to https://christianchat.com/goto/post?id=4479139
I don’t know exactly how to use the board thing still learning.
I don’t know exactly how to use the board thing still learning.
you are correct be in it but not part of it
It is biblical when I am trying to show whoever it was that I’f you love someone as Jesus said, keep my commandments.
If we love God with the love described in the greatest commandment that cannot be done in the flesh. It is only done through salvation and rebirth. The Father and Son should be in the throne of our heart. Nothing goes before them. If that happens, it isn’t by our power it is by our rebirth in him. Because I am in a real relationship with Him. I don’t want to hurt Him, I want to please Him. He keeps me from my sinful nature and completes me.
When we live in the flesh and claim to know him, we end up double minded. because we try to “obey” which is impossible shown by the first covenant. The second one done out of love is perfect. It is in that perfect alignment and love He keeps us from our flesh sinful natural nature.
It is biblical when I am trying to show whoever it was that I’f you love someone as Jesus said, keep my commandments.
If we love God with the love described in the greatest commandment that cannot be done in the flesh. It is only done through salvation and rebirth. The Father and Son should be in the throne of our heart. Nothing goes before them. If that happens, it isn’t by our power it is by our rebirth in him. Because I am in a real relationship with Him. I don’t want to hurt Him, I want to please Him. He keeps me from my sinful nature and completes me.
When we live in the flesh and claim to know him, we end up double minded. because we try to “obey” which is impossible shown by the first covenant. The second one done out of love is perfect. It is in that perfect alignment and love He keeps us from our flesh sinful natural nature.
Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I can't see how it doesn't effect our salvation. If God takes His forgiveness away from us, where does that leave us?
Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I can't see how it doesn't effect our salvation. If God takes His forgiveness away from us, where does that leave us?
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Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
There may be things we will never attain. Yet all of our lives we are to press to do so. But what if some don't press in to forgive?
Matt 18:23Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 27Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Mark 11:25And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
How can we possibly enter in without God's forgiveness?
Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
There may be things we will never attain. Yet all of our lives we are to press to do so. But what if some don't press in to forgive?
Matt 18:23Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 27Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Mark 11:25And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
How can we possibly enter in without God's forgiveness?
Hi Marcello,
Thanks for your honesty. I already knew that you believed that but needed to hear it from yourself. And I am sure it is beneficial to others as well to see it in black and white so that no one is decieved. Of course by inference you would have to say Paul teaches a different gospel from Peter etc as well.
Marcello what you are believing is blasphemy. Now, I'm not sure if you know any different or if that is what you have just been taught. But I would give you some advice. Get to know Jesus, as from what I am hearing you don't actually know him or who is - that was evident in your answer when I asked you what is the gospel in post no.84.
Jesus is the Gospel. His life and death , resurrection and teachings is the good news. (Paul explains all this)
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”
Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”
4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. 7Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
9“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
10“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and you do not understand these things? 11Truly, truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, and yet you people do not accept our testimony.
12If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man. 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and onlye Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
19And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”
Thanks for your honesty. I already knew that you believed that but needed to hear it from yourself. And I am sure it is beneficial to others as well to see it in black and white so that no one is decieved. Of course by inference you would have to say Paul teaches a different gospel from Peter etc as well.
Marcello what you are believing is blasphemy. Now, I'm not sure if you know any different or if that is what you have just been taught. But I would give you some advice. Get to know Jesus, as from what I am hearing you don't actually know him or who is - that was evident in your answer when I asked you what is the gospel in post no.84.
Jesus is the Gospel. His life and death , resurrection and teachings is the good news. (Paul explains all this)
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”
Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”
4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. 7Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
9“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
10“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and you do not understand these things? 11Truly, truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, and yet you people do not accept our testimony.
12If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man. 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and onlye Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
19And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”
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I don't think it matters whether they are demon possessed, saved, lost, etc. We are commanded to love them. Now that doesn't mean you have to be friends with them and have them in your life. It does mean we have to learn to how to forgive them and move forward. What I mean by love is that we wouldn't wish any sort of harm on someone, and that we would want them to ultimately find Christ. We can start by praying for them. That tends to soften our hearts and the Holy Spirit works within us.
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