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Here's the thing

If YOU CAN NOT stick to the subject of the rapture and just shove our verses off the table then I WILL NOT engage you.

YOU ARE DISHONEST IF YOU OPERATE UNDER SOME BANNER OF INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE.
 
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Yeah, I agree. It's real funny that you use parables to prove things, when Jesus used parables that even His own disciples needed further explanation.

Yet, you have proven totally unable to provide ANY verse that teaches a pre-trib rapture.

Maybe just sad, rather than funny.
WELCOME TO IGNORE LAND.
 
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Here's the thing

If YOU CAN NOT stick to the subject of the rapture and just shove our verses off the table then I WILL NOT engage you.
Well, you haven't engaged YET.

Where are the verses that support your claim that Jesus comes in the clouds, glorifies all believers and then takes them all back to heaven?

YOU ARE DISHONEST IF YOU OPERATE UNDER SOME BANNER OF INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE.
Those who claim that Jesus comes in the clouds, glorifies all believers and then takes them all back to heaven but CAN'T provide any evidence for that claim are DISHONEST.
 

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The foolish were virgins = saved

So you think the heathens of this world are pure and undefiled ( virgins)
Have light, oil( the Holy Spirit) and are. Waiting for Jesus?.

I remember my bar hopping days. I never saw such a thing.
We all knew we were going to hell.

Clever glossovers are a red flag.

What are virgins?
What are lamps?
What is oil?

Your cleverness cannot go there correct?

Pssssst..... you missed the U-turn. The U-turn fg2 says is non existent.
Foolish Virgins = Unsaved, ( I Know You Not)

A simple parable that's self explanatory, 6th grade reading comprehension, and you try desperately to create a doctrine of this :giggle:

You act as if you have some extra special revelation, the (Ten Virgin) parable is nothing more than showing the saved righteous, and the unsaved wolves in sheeps clothing.

Same teaching seen below

Matthew 7:22-23KJV
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 25:11-12KJV
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
 

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Still waiting for a link or some group that believes your attempt to erase the millineum

( we both know you concocted that deal by yourself... Nobody believes that)

There will be no link
You "Run" From A "Direct Response" To The Lords Fire At His Appearance, Revealing, In The Presented Scripture Below, Your Response Is A Complete "Distraction" (Fact) :)

You Think That's A Boy Scout Campfire Seen Below, Or Possibly It's All A Lie?

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

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Ok now unpack it.
You did nothing at all. Just some wild guessing.

Btw
No Postrib except bluto ever has.

Pssssst...it has to do with a wedding, bride, groom , and rapture.

You ACTUALLY STARTED. With some wild assumption.

It helps to approach it outside your preconceived box.
Unpack It, Big Smiles! :giggle:

The Ten Virgins Is A Parable, Resulting In the Very Same Teaching Of Those That Professed Jesus, Who Weren't Actually Saved, Its That Simple.

You Run About The Forum With One Liners, In Denial Of A Direct Response To Claims Made, "Without Scriptural Support" To Presented Truth.

You act as if you have some extra special revelation, the (Ten Virgin) parable is nothing more than showing the saved righteous, and the unsaved wolves in sheeps clothing, who professed Jesus and weren't saved.

Same teaching seen below

(I Never Knew You) (I Know You Not)


Matthew 7:22-23KJV
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 25:11-12KJV
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
 

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Seriously? Is this all you can do for a reply? You're just not wanting to see these things. I've pointed them all out, but it only takes "eyes to see" and "ears to hear", which you apparently lack.

And you STILL haven't explained what "when the 1,000 years HAVE ENDED" and "1,000 years ARE OVER" mean.

It's obvious to those of us who DO have ears to hear and eyes to see that the Bible is describing TIME.


Your facts are just your opinion.


Your spiritualizing allows you to explain anything you want to mean anything you want. That's all.


Nonsense to your spiritualizing. And please explain how 1,000 years ARE ENDED and ARE OVER.


Wrong again. They WERE dead, but the passage says they "came to life and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years".

v.4 - I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The blue words show how they died. The red words PROVE that they came to life and reigned with Christ.

Since Christ is King of kings, it is obvious to those with eyes to see and ears to hear that Jesus Christ rules over people for 1,000 year

Apparently you ignore or reject Scripture.
Your claim that the (Beheaded) tribulation saints (The Souls) seen in Rev 20:4 below came to life in physical, tangible, bodies is laughable :giggle:

Rev 20:5 clearly tells the reader they are (Dead) yes right before your eyes!

(But The Rest Of The Dead)

All Believers In Jesus Christ Are Of The Living, Dead Or Alive!

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords Spiritual Realm, Those Seen Are (Physically Dead) Waiting For The First Resurrection On The Last Day.

No Physical Kingdom, No Physical Throne, No Mortal Humans Are Seen (None)

A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Is A Man Made (Fairy Tale)

Revelation 20:4-5KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Perhaps (The Souls) Seen Below, Have Physical, Tangible Bodies Also, Who Are Waiting Their Tribulation Saint Brethren To Die Also?

(The Souls) Are (Dead) In The Lords Spiritual Realm Of No Literal Time.

Revelation 6:9-11KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
 

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Your dismissal of the Parable is classic Postrib dishonesty

You guys are openly dishonest.
I Believe You Are Looking In The Mirror

You Run About Forums With One Liners, That Is Void Of Scripture And Debate, In Complete Distraction To Gods Presented Words Of Truth

In Love :love:

Jesus Christ Is Lord
 

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When Jesus comes back, He stays on earth.
Your Claim Is False, Jesus Christ Warned His Followers Of Your Teaching, Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Where Upon This Earth As You Claim.

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"!

The Future Antichrist Will Sit In Jerusalem, And Proclaim To Be Messiah God To Jews, And Jesus Christ Returned To The "Apostate" Church.

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
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Your claim that the (Beheaded) tribulation saints (The Souls) seen in Rev 20:4 below came to life in physical, tangible, bodies is laughable :giggle:
You can laugh all you want about what the Bible says.

Rev 20:5 clearly tells the reader they are (Dead) yes right before your eyes!

(But The Rest Of The Dead)

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

OK, the red words refer to the beheaded martyrs. The blue words refer to the still dead unbelievers.

You're welcome.
 

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4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

OK, the red words refer to the beheaded martyrs. The blue words refer to the still dead unbelievers.

You're welcome.
No they didnt come to life in physical, tangible bodies (They Lived) as all Believers are part of the living (Eternal Life)

You claim (Came To Life)?

Perhaps it's the Amplified Childrens Bible you quote? :giggle:

Your claim that the (Beheaded) tribulation saints (The Souls) seen in Rev 20:4 below came to life in physical, tangible, bodies is laughable :giggle:

Rev 20:5 clearly tells the reader they are (Dead) yes right before your eyes!

(But The Rest Of The Dead)

All Believers In Jesus Christ Are Of The Living, Dead Or Alive!

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords Spiritual Realm, Those Seen Are (Physically Dead) Waiting For The First Resurrection On The Last Day.

No Physical Kingdom, No Physical Throne, No Mortal Humans Are Seen (None)

A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Is A Man Made (Fairy Tale)

Revelation 20:4-5KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Perhaps (The Souls) Seen Below, Have Physical, Tangible Bodies Also, Who Are Waiting Their Tribulation Saint Brethren To Die Also?

(The Souls) Are (Dead) In The Lords Spiritual Realm Of No Literal Time.

Revelation 6:9-11KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
 
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No they didnt come to life in physical, tangible bodies (They Lived) as all Believers are part of the living (Eternal Life)
And to think that YOU talk about man-made fairytales! Rev 20:4 plainly says they came to life and reigned with Christ.

You claim (Came To Life)?
No, I don't. The Bible says it.

Rev 20:4 - 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, please explain to me what your spiritualized version of the red words mean.

Perhaps it's the Amplified Childrens Bible you quote? :giggle:
More likely the childish Bible you quote.

Your claim that the (Beheaded) tribulation saints (The Souls) seen in Rev 20:4 below came to life in physical, tangible, bodies is laughable :giggle:
Go ahead and laugh at the Bible. But the words are plain as day.

Rev 20:5 clearly tells the reader they are (Dead) yes right before your eyes!
Right. That's the still dead unbelievers. Which is plain to see.
 

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And to think that YOU talk about man-made fairytales! Rev 20:4 plainly says they came to life and reigned with Christ.


No, I don't. The Bible says it.

Rev 20:4 - 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, please explain to me what your spiritualized version of the red words mean.


More likely the childish Bible you quote.


Go ahead and laugh at the Bible. But the words are plain as day.


Right. That's the still dead unbelievers. Which is plain to see.
The Dead That Live Below Are In The Spiritual

Same Apples To Rev 20:4, They Lived And Reigned In The Spiritual Realm

John 5:25KJV
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
 
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And to think that YOU talk about man-made fairytales! Rev 20:4 plainly says they came to life and reigned with Christ.
No, I don't. The Bible says it.

Rev 20:4 - 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, please explain to me what your spiritualized version of the red words mean.

I would appreciate your understanding of the red words, since you deny the literalness of them.
 
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i found this the other day in my bible reading. I love how the word of God authenticates itself and true doctrine aligning with the Spirit of God.


1 Kings 1

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1 Now king David was old and stricken in years; and they covered him with clothes, but he gat no heat.
2 Wherefore his servants said unto him, Let there be sought for my lord the king a young virgin: and let her stand before the king, and let her cherish him, and let her lie in thy bosom, that my lord the king may get heat.
3 So they sought for a fair damsel throughout all the coasts of Israel, and found Abishag a Shunammite, and brought her to the king.
4 And the damsel was very fair, and cherished the king, and ministered to him: but the king knew her not.
 

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No, I don't. The Bible says it.

Rev 20:4 - 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, please explain to me what your spiritualized version of the red words mean.

I would appreciate your understanding of the red words, since you deny the literalness of them.
Be careful, if you talk to yourself tooooo much, those guys in the white jackets might be coming :giggle:
 
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No, I don't. The Bible says it.

Rev 20:4 - 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

OK, please explain to me what your spiritualized version of the red words mean.

I would appreciate your understanding of the red words, since you deny the literalness of them.
If I may, it's speaking of the Resurrection of the Just at the Second Coming, when the dead and living saints rise to meet Jesus in the air, while the Earth suffers unspeakable destruction as Jesus returns "as a theif in the night" (2 Peter 3:10 KJV) and "rules all the nations with a rod of iron" when He will "break them with a rod of iron...dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel" (Psalms 2:2 KJV) which is the fulfillment of the "Second Coming" Stone of Daniel 2 striking the kingdoms of the Earth which He shall "break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms together" (Daniel 2:44-45 KJV).

The resurrected saints return with Jesus to His Father's house and reign with Him a thousand years while the entire planet Earth lies "dark, desolate, empty, wasted, devoured, void" with "broken down cities, no life-sustaining atmosphere, no humanity, and dead bodies of the wicked lying all over the surface" who dropped dead "at the brightness of His coming" (Isaiah 24; Jeremiah 4; Jeremiah 25; 2 Thessalonians 2; 2 Peter 3:10 KJV).