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First take the line in context: Who does the destroying? What are we to do?
4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you,[c] and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[d] her.
sorry but is this statement true about the Catholic church?
For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
maybe in the middle ages ...
either way I believe what the BIBLE says on the subject. IT is not FLESH and BLOOD that is our enemy but "against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places" We are to harness every thought that goes against the teachings of Jesus. That is the Biblical meaning of spiritual warfare. It troubles my heart to read so many lies about the subject.
Ephesians 6:11-13 (New King James Version)
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
2 Corinthians 10:4-6 (New King James Version)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you,[c] and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[d] her.
sorry but is this statement true about the Catholic church?
For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
maybe in the middle ages ...
either way I believe what the BIBLE says on the subject. IT is not FLESH and BLOOD that is our enemy but "against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places" We are to harness every thought that goes against the teachings of Jesus. That is the Biblical meaning of spiritual warfare. It troubles my heart to read so many lies about the subject.
Ephesians 6:11-13 (New King James Version)
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
2 Corinthians 10:4-6 (New King James Version)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
Revelation 11:8
and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified. << JERUSALEM
Matthew 10:15
I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town [Capernaum].
Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Revelation 14:8
A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."
Revelation 16:6
For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink. It is what they deserve!”
Revelation 17:1
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters.
Revelation 17:5
The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.
Revelation 17:6
And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I marveled greatly.
Revelation 17:12
With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries."
1 Thessalonians 2:15
who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind
2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
John 5
42 But I know that you do not have the love of God within you. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44 How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
Acts 7:52
Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered,
Matthew 23:30
saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’
Matthew 23:31
Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
Matthew 23:34
Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town,
Revelation 18:24
"And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth."
Matthew 23:37
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!
Luke 20
The Parable of the Wicked Tenants
9 And he began to tell the people this parable: “A man planted a vineyard and let it out to tenants and went into another country for a long while. 10 When the time came, he sent a servantb to the tenants, so that they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 11 And he sent another servant. But they also beat and treated him shamefully, and sent him away empty-handed. 12 And he sent yet a third. This one also they wounded and cast out. 13 Then the owner of the vineyard said, ‘What shall I do? I will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.’ 14 But when the tenants saw him, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Let us kill him, so that the inheritance may be ours.’ 15 And they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? 16 He will come and destroy those tenants and give the vineyard to others.” When they heard this, they said, “Surely not!” 17 But he looked directly at them and said, “What then is this that is written:
“‘The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone’?c
18 Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”
Romans 9:27
And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved,
Romans 11:5
So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28 Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31 So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Hebrews 13:14
For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come.
Hebrews 11:16
But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.
2 Timothy 4:18
The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen
2 Peter 3:13
But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Isaiah 65:17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
Isaiah 66:22
“For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain.
Revelation 21:1
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
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Please read the book God's war on terror by Wally Shoebat and his study is very convincing.. I feel the true Antichrist will come from an Islamic nation . Who surrounds Israel? All nations around it are Islamic. Read Daniel and other minor prophets and see Revelation 17 and the women on the Beast. I feel theta the beast of Rev 13 and 17 are a Ten Headed Islamic conglomerate that will be led by Satan that when he is removed by Michael from heaven knows that he has a set time to kill and destroy. I'm not trying to convince you , just look up the scriptures and remove the traditional belief that Russia is Kings of the North and know that he (Antichrist) will not rule the WHOLE earth because it says in Dan that tidings from the East and South shall disturb him so he wont rule all.. i look forward to hearing from all who want to discuss this..
In His service
In His service
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I've always believed that the anti-Christ isn't a single person but rather the body of all that oppose Jesus Christ although I understand why people label the Pope as an anti-Christ since Catholicism teaches things contrary to scripture. For one, Jesus said the name of all offices in his church. Pope wasn't one of them. Another term for Pope is "Father". They address the Pope as "Holy Father". I'm sorry but nobody except God the Father has that title. Also, if they went strictly by their teachings their own teachings would say Peter wasn't a Pope. A Pope isn't supposed to be married while Peter was married. Since he was married he could have never been a Pope. Peter was an apostle of Jesus Christ. He was never made a Pope.
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Moshelijah: Seeing as you keep repeating you have proof etc PLEASE enlighten me... email me at [email protected] with the name of the antichrist, the number of the antichrist, the mark of the antichrist and ALL your proof please? churrr
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Who? = The papacy (every pope who has ever sat on the papal throne)
How? = Fake Baptisms: Catholic christening (a cross on the forehead) without immersion.
the pope has been on the scene for over 1260 years. Now powerless yet he will regain over the world during the tribulation The Two Witnesses will bring to the unbelieving world.
Quickly scan over the start of this thread so as to get more details.
No baptism no salvation.
Watch this clip YouTube - ‪The Last Revelation‬‏
The Beast has a mark on the forehead:
The catholic church puts a cross on your forehead. (christening) DO THEY NOT?
The Beast has a mark on the right hand:
catholics make the sign of the cross on the right hand. DO THEY NOT?
The Beast has an image to worship:
catholics worship the crucifix. DO THEY NOT?
The Beast has a statue that talks:
Many catholics report the crucifix talking to them including st Francis of Assisi. DO THEY NOT?
The Beasts name equals 666:
The popes official title is PONT.MAX which equals 666. DOES IT NOT?
The great prostitute sits on seven hills:
The vatican sits on seven hills. DOES SHE NOT?
The Beast reigns for 1260 days:
papal Rome reigned for 1260 years. DID IT NOT?
Antichrist means like Christ:
The popes say they are like Christ on Earth. DO THEY NOT?
THIS IS REAL!
How? = Fake Baptisms: Catholic christening (a cross on the forehead) without immersion.
the pope has been on the scene for over 1260 years. Now powerless yet he will regain over the world during the tribulation The Two Witnesses will bring to the unbelieving world.
Quickly scan over the start of this thread so as to get more details.
No baptism no salvation.
Watch this clip YouTube - ‪The Last Revelation‬‏
The Beast has a mark on the forehead:
The catholic church puts a cross on your forehead. (christening) DO THEY NOT?
The Beast has a mark on the right hand:
catholics make the sign of the cross on the right hand. DO THEY NOT?
The Beast has an image to worship:
catholics worship the crucifix. DO THEY NOT?
The Beast has a statue that talks:
Many catholics report the crucifix talking to them including st Francis of Assisi. DO THEY NOT?
The Beasts name equals 666:
The popes official title is PONT.MAX which equals 666. DOES IT NOT?
The great prostitute sits on seven hills:
The vatican sits on seven hills. DOES SHE NOT?
The Beast reigns for 1260 days:
papal Rome reigned for 1260 years. DID IT NOT?
Antichrist means like Christ:
The popes say they are like Christ on Earth. DO THEY NOT?
THIS IS REAL!
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Hello Graybeard
my apologies "anti" can mean against but to the early Christians it meant
IN STEAD or IN THE PLACE OF.
Word Origin & History
anti-
L. anti- from Gk. anti "against, opposite, instead of," from PIE *anti (see ante).
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
Cite This Source
For your perusal.
my apologies "anti" can mean against but to the early Christians it meant
IN STEAD or IN THE PLACE OF.
Word Origin & History
anti-
L. anti- from Gk. anti "against, opposite, instead of," from PIE *anti (see ante).
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
Cite This Source
For your perusal.
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Baptism is the New Testament counterpart to circumcision (Colossians 2:11-12). Circumcision is a sign and seal of the covenant relation of the Old Testament believer to God: the relation of justification, of forgiveness of sins, of regeneration, in short, salvation
This is why the pope tricks you into his fake baptism (a cross on your forehead) so you break the everlasting covenant!
..the pope killed millions who did not receive the cross on their foreheads...sound familiar?
This is why the pope tricks you into his fake baptism (a cross on your forehead) so you break the everlasting covenant!
..the pope killed millions who did not receive the cross on their foreheads...sound familiar?
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baptism affirms the faith but circumcision is internal in the heart and the convenant is made in the heart through the acceptance of the Holy Spirit (fire baptism if you will) and the water baptism is done because we follow Jesus example.
However if someone on their death bed accept Jesus and is not able to be fully immersed or someone dies in a car accident before being baptized I do not think that will affect their salvation, do you?
I don't like blanket statements judging other people's state of grace. I know some catholics who converted to catholicism after being in another denomination and having been baptized what of them?
However if someone on their death bed accept Jesus and is not able to be fully immersed or someone dies in a car accident before being baptized I do not think that will affect their salvation, do you?
I don't like blanket statements judging other people's state of grace. I know some catholics who converted to catholicism after being in another denomination and having been baptized what of them?
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Col 2:11-12 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Second resurrection Judgment. (You want to be in the first resurrection)
lol...you're supposed to come OUT of her...lol
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have you ever heard of the baptism of the HOLY Spirit? what kind of baptism do you think John wants from Jesus?
Matthew 3:13-15 (New King James Version)
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
We are not righteous through baptism, we obtain it through the saving grace of Christ having died on the cross for our sins.
You have elevated water baptism to being necessary for salvation and that is not what Jesus teaches, that is not what the Bible teaches. Salvation is through faith that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. You add man made laws and requirements to the Lord's doctrine of salvation.
Colossians 2
6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
Matthew 3:13-15 (New King James Version)
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
We are not righteous through baptism, we obtain it through the saving grace of Christ having died on the cross for our sins.
You have elevated water baptism to being necessary for salvation and that is not what Jesus teaches, that is not what the Bible teaches. Salvation is through faith that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. You add man made laws and requirements to the Lord's doctrine of salvation.
Colossians 2
6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
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he said the pope is the antichrist and that the people he baptized are going to Hell.
thus the nature of the discussion about salvation.
it is kind of out there (i kind had to chuckle when you pointed it out)
but it is very serious for all the catholics in the world
if he can prove his points, which I'm still waiting for.
thus the nature of the discussion about salvation.
it is kind of out there (i kind had to chuckle when you pointed it out)
but it is very serious for all the catholics in the world
if he can prove his points, which I'm still waiting for.
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