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I won't address this particular question at this time, but I will tell you some things that I am sure of.

1. God ordained marriage to be a natural reflection of the spiritual union between Christ and the church.

Ephesians chapter 5

[22] Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
[23] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
[25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
[28] So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
[29] For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
[30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
[31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[32] This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
[33] Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

In a marriage, a husband is to love his wife as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it. Christ didn't love the church by abusing it, beating it, cutting off its finances, or any of the other horrible things your husband did, so your husband failed miserably and shamelessly in this regard. Far from giving himself for you, he sounds like a self-centered, manipulative, and exceedingly evil man.

Furthermore, a husband is to sanctify (set apart as holy) and cleanse his wife with the washing of water by the word. Based upon your description of your husband, he's not the least bit sanctified or clean himself, so he's not even equipped to sanctify or cleanse another, having never applied God's word to his own life FIRST.

Further still, in marriage, the two become one flesh, and no husband has ever hated his own flesh, but he nourishes and cherishes it instead. Tell me where beating you falls anywhere remotely close to this. Just another major failure on your husband's part.

Seeing how a husband and wife relationship is supposed to represent Christ and the church to the world, by abusing and beating you, your husband literally taught whoever was watching that Christ similarly abuses and beats the church. This is how serious and far-reaching the scope of your husband's sins against you AND GOD were.

2. God is not the least bit pleased with husbands who deal treacherously with their wives, and this treachery definitely includes using violence against them.

Malachi chapter 2

[13] And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.
[14] Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
[15] And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
[16] For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

Based upon your testimony here, your husband definitely "covered violence with his garment" or hid it under of cloak of religion. Your husband should have been hanging his head in shame and genuine repentance before the Lord instead of psychologically manipulating you into doing things which you normally would have never done if your physical safety and mental sanity weren't in such danger.

3. God makes the two one in marriage because he seeks a godly seed (Malachi 2:15).

I'm almost afraid to address this, but you mentioned "raising kids".

Did you have children together with this unbridled monster?

If so, then did they observe the types of abuses you've described here?

If so, then who are they presently living with?

You, him, or are they now old enough that they're living on their own?

Again, God said that he made the two one in marriage because he "seeks a godly seed" or godly children.

If your husband behaved in the manner which you've described here in front of the children, then he not only miserably failed in God's sight again, but probably psychologically damaged your children as well.
When we divorced we had share custody, I wanted to try and keep life somewhat normal for them to finish High School They stayed with him 4 days a week, I drove 25 miles every morning and made sure they made it to school, I had them rest of the time and summers- Things became heated between him and the kids on the days he had them , to the point my grown son finally calling me to come get him for good, he was never going back. He beat my child on more than one occasion, and I stood and watched in horror. I then had to drive back and forth 30 miles twice a day so my son could finish high school, after we divorced my daughter was still there 4 days trying to finish school also. He attacked her beating her with a belt buckle and his fist pulling out chunks of her hair. I called the Cops. My grown daughter tried to jump out of my car, when I did for fear he would retaliate against her, she finally forgave him, about a year later he attacked the then girlfriend he as seeing, after I told her about his past. She thought I was just being the jealous ex wife. (LOL). She started texting me @ 1am on a Sunday Morning- saying I could have him. He attacked her- she said , I seen the rage in his eyes. I knew exactly what she was saying. ( almost like the look of Satan- Scary). He to my knowledge has not attacked another person. He figured he needs to stay under the radar, now more than one person could claim of abuse. He is the type of person that likes to catch you off guard or blindsided. He always told me the entire time we were married, if I ever left him he would kill me, like I said he has sense remarried, hoping that occupies his mind. But I never let my guard down, I fear one day he will return. I just pray for God to protect me and my children who have lived with me fulltime before they graduate HS.
 

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It is true that adultery is ground for divorce. Where do you find support that it is the only ground for divorce?

Personally I think there are some issues worse than adultery, such as abuse of children, which call for divorce.
Once again, you use the term (Adultery) as if this means to have sexual relations outside of the marriage (Wrong)

(Adultery) is to be married to another person while the spouse lives.

(Fornication) is to have sexual relations outside of marriage.

If a person was to be married to another without being divorced, this is called (Polygamy & Adultery)

Pickles divorced her husband, and he remarried while she is living (Adultery)
 
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Once again, you use the term (Adultery) as if this means to have sexual relations outside of the marriage (Wrong)

(Adultery) is to be married to another person while the spouse lives.

(Fornication) is to have sexual relations outside of marriage.

If a person was to be married to another without being divorced, this is called (Polygamy & Adultery)

Pickles divorced her husband, and he remarried while she is living (Adultery)
Yes- that was my thought, even though I divorced him he committed adultery against me , but he says i gave him no other choice when I divorced him. He was freed from the marriage.
 

tribesman

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(Adultery) is to be married to another person while the spouse lives.
How about a marriage where one part is a non-believer or apostate that wants to "depart". What would you say about the interpretation that remarriage would be an option in such circumstances, as one "is not under bondage" as per Paul's statements in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16?
 
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Once again, you use the term (Adultery) as if this means to have sexual relations outside of the marriage (Wrong)

(Adultery) is to be married to another person while the spouse lives.
Huh? Adultery is sexual relations outside of marriage. Jesus also expanded the definition to porn, looking at someone with lust, etc.
 
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When we divorced we had share custody, I wanted to try and keep life somewhat normal for them to finish High School They stayed with him 4 days a week, I drove 25 miles every morning and made sure they made it to school, I had them rest of the time and summers- Things became heated between him and the kids on the days he had them , to the point my grown son finally calling me to come get him for good, he was never going back. He beat my child on more than one occasion, and I stood and watched in horror. I then had to drive back and forth 30 miles twice a day so my son could finish high school, after we divorced my daughter was still there 4 days trying to finish school also. He attacked her beating her with a belt buckle and his fist pulling out chunks of her hair. I called the Cops. My grown daughter tried to jump out of my car, when I did for fear he would retaliate against her, she finally forgave him, about a year later he attacked the then girlfriend he as seeing, after I told her about his past. She thought I was just being the jealous ex wife. (LOL). She started texting me @ 1am on a Sunday Morning- saying I could have him. He attacked her- she said , I seen the rage in his eyes. I knew exactly what she was saying. ( almost like the look of Satan- Scary). He to my knowledge has not attacked another person. He figured he needs to stay under the radar, now more than one person could claim of abuse. He is the type of person that likes to catch you off guard or blindsided. He always told me the entire time we were married, if I ever left him he would kill me, like I said he has sense remarried, hoping that occupies his mind. But I never let my guard down, I fear one day he will return. I just pray for God to protect me and my children who have lived with me fulltime before they graduate HS.
I'm sorry to hear all of this, but it's pretty much what I expected.

You're all in my prayers.
 
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Huh? Adultery is sexual relations outside of marriage. Jesus also expanded the definition to porn, looking at someone with lust, etc.
I think we can agree that there are multiple definitions for adultery.
 

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QUOTE="Truth7t7, post: 4516047, member: 297424"]Once again, you use the term (Adultery) as if this means to have sexual relations outside of the marriage (Wrong)

(Adultery) is to be married to another person while the spouse lives.



This is a curious definition of adultary and not a biblical one at all as far as I am aware. Please can you provide some clear evidence that refutes the following which would define adultary as sexual relations with either someone else’s spouse or someone additional to your husband or wife who you are not married to.

Many men of God - including Abraham - Moses and so on - obeyed Gods word and were not adulterous but had more than one wife at the same time.

David was not an adulterer despite having many wives UNTIL he slept with the wife of another man. Then He was clearly rebuked and punished by God

During times of the Moses and after the law had been given, Godly men had more than one wife and the law even contained rules about being sure not To choose two women who were related to one another too closely so as to avoid jealousy etc ( from the example of Jacobs wives I assume....) The Very same law that commanded thou shalt not commit adultery explained the forbidden options when choosing multiple wives.

God Himself speaks of being married to Israel and to Judah. He is no adulterer!

It has been clarified in the New Testament of course that Gods ideal design For man and woman is indeed One of each and no more.

You may have a point but only in the instance of a woman marring another man while she still has a husband - yes of course it is adultary by law because the law said she is bound To her husband - it made no provision or concessions for women to be polygamous.
 
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Truth7t7

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According to 1 Corinthians 7:15 the brother or sister (Christian) who is divorced by a non-Christian is not under bondage. Meaning they are free to go remarry.

Was your husband a Christian, yes or no. If yes he did not have a good Biblical reason to divorce.
Your claim of 1 Cor 7:15 is (False) the christian is free and at peace if the spouse leaves (Separation) at no place does scripture allow for remarriage while the spouse lives.

As Mark 10:11-12 clearly teaches below, if you put away, (Divorce) your spouse and marry another its (Adultery)

Mark 10:11-12KJV
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:14-15KJV
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Romans 7:1-3 below, supports and enforces Mark 10:11-12, if a woman is married while her husband lives, she is to be called an Adulteress, simple.

Romans 7:1-3KJV
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
 

p_rehbein

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I am hoping to find an answer to the question that bothers me since I divorced my husband after 22 years. I walked out and left him after he broke me down so bad mentally and physically I was afraid of his rages since he had beat me in the past . The last blow was him getting angry at me when we went on vacation and did not have a plan as to what we would do. The next year he cut me off finachially from accounts, I made as much as him. My family disowned me over being jealous (narcissist) . I had no where to turn was afraid to tell anyone what was going on behind closed doors for fears the next outrage with him would be way worse. I found a way to hide money from withholding in my check to another account without him knowing. A year later I packed up and moved out with all I could take while he was at work. He told me I would have to be the one to file the divorce, I agreed really did not have the Christian background on what the bible said. He was engaged and married within 3 yrs after we divorced. He said by me divorcing him, it gave him no other choice but to remarry . I left him. My question is - is he right about him being able to remarry since I filed and left him.
Have not read the responses Sister. However, I will NEVER accept that God expects ANY woman to remain in a marriage where the man is so unGodly, abusive, and unworthy. GET OUT! STAY OUT! If necessary, go to the Police, Courts and file charges against this guy to keep him far away from you!

Be honest with your family, friends and Church family. Let them know the truth about this guy. If ANY of them deny you the emotional, spiritual, and, possibly, financial support for you to recover from such a horrible experience, then turn your back on them as well.

First and foremost, REMAIN faithful to God, and trust in Him!

Men like this deserve only one thing, and that is a serious horse whipping!
 

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#53
The Catholic Church has a long list of grounds for divorce.

https://www.stmarys-waco.org/documents/Grounds for Marriage Annulment in the Catholic Church.pdf

While many here may easily write off this list because it is "Catholic," I personally believe many items here are grounds for divorce (fear, force, child marriage, etc.). How would someone with a stricter view of divorce (that is only allowed for adultery) respond to this list?
There is only (One) allowable means for divorce in the Holy Bible, (Fornication) that is for a spouse to have sexual relations, outside of the marriage.

At no time can a person be married to another, while their spouse lives.

Matthew 19:9KJV
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
 
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There is only (One) allowable means for divorce in the Holy Bible
This is incorrect.

The context for Matthew 19:9 is that men were frequently divorcing their wives for trivial reasons. Jesus was telling the men that they can only divorce the women due to fornication, not trivial reasons.

The scenario for abuse is not covered, as are other issues listed in the link (mentally unable, forced marriage, a person denying sex or children, etc.).

Under Mosaic law, a wife may divorce the husband due to neglect. Neglect is comparable to abuse, although abuse could be much worse.

Exodus 21:10–11
Christian Standard Bible
10 If he takes an additional wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife.d 11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she may leave free of charge, without any payment.D
 

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This is incorrect.

The context for Matthew 19:9 is that men were frequently divorcing their wives for trivial reasons. Jesus was telling the men that they can only divorce the women due to fornication, not trivial reasons.

The scenario for abuse is not covered, as are other issues listed in the link (mentally unable, forced marriage, a person denying sex or children, etc.).

Under Mosaic law, a wife may divorce the husband due to neglect. Neglect is comparable to abuse, although abuse could be much worse.

Exodus 21:10–11
Christian Standard Bible
10 If he takes an additional wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife.d 11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she may leave free of charge, without any payment.D
Would abandonment be a reason too?
 
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Would abandonment be a reason too?
Abandonment was very common issue in the 1950s and before, when women were more chaste and men had to get married just to have sex. After being with the girl for a summer or so, the guy did a "runner." I believe abandonment is divorce.
 

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Your marriage with him is over. It is not going to be reconciled as he has already remarried and two divorces are not God's plan either.
You dont know this woman personally, nor her husband

Her husband in God's eyes isnt married to the other woman, its Gods plan that he immediately divorce the woman that's not his wife (Adultery) and remain single, or be reconciled to his wife.

If Pickles husband had a repentant change of heart, and she forgave his sin of (Fornication) & (Adultery) there could be reconciliation
 

Truth7t7

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Yes- that was my thought, even though I divorced him he committed adultery against me , but he says i gave him no other choice when I divorced him. He was freed from the marriage.
As I have posted several times, with scriptural support

At no time can a person remarry while their spouse lives.

Did you error in divorcing?

In my observation of scripture (Yes), it should have been a legal separation

Nevertheless, your husband is currently in the sin of (Adultery) because he is married while you live.

You can go to 90% of churches today, with divorce and remarriage being $accepted$ a sign of the last days.

$$$ The one stop shops, Pay your tithes, and we will promise you a place in heaven $$$ (A Lie)
 

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How about a marriage where one part is a non-believer or apostate that wants to "depart". What would you say about the interpretation that remarriage would be an option in such circumstances, as one "is not under bondage" as per Paul's statements in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16?
Any claim of 1 Cor 7:15 allowing for remarriage would be (False) the christian is free and at peace if the spouse leaves (Separation) at no place does scripture allow for remarriage while the spouse lives.

As Mark 10:11-12 clearly teaches below, if you put away, (Divorce) your spouse and marry another its (Adultery)

Mark 10:11-12KJV
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:14-15KJV
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Romans 7:1-3 below, supports and enforces Mark 10:11-12, if a woman is married while her husband lives, she is to be called an Adulteress, simple.

Romans 7:1-3KJV
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
 

Truth7t7

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Huh? Adultery is sexual relations outside of marriage. Jesus also expanded the definition to porn, looking at someone with lust, etc.
I never said adultery is sexual relations outside of marriage, this would be (Fornication)

Once again, (Adultery) is to be married to another person while the spouse lives.

It Appears your change the name game has started in misrepresentation.