Is the Holy Spirit showing us God can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time (Omnipresent|Omniscient)?
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yes even the negative things like death came from Gods word , only from transgressing his word is where death came from all the curse of the earth came from his word as
Men transgressed his constant true warnings
See if the commandment is believed and kept death has no place In The equation but if this commandment that can keep them alive is transgressed then the truth becomes death
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17
Gods word creates all things and the results come from either believing and keeping it trusting his word , of casting it aside for a better answer that we like more. Either way both good and evil come from the creative source and the results are based upon mans choice to hear and reject or accept and believe.
Good and evil come from his word based upon the response the first commandment as Gods word always is is meant to keep us safe , but when we reject it there’s nothing to keep us safe and we then open ourselves up to deception like Adam and Eve had done
When they transgressed the first part of the commandment goes away and the second part becomes true based on thier actions knowing the truth
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
they disbelieved and transgressed this part and brought forth a curse for transgression that they were warned of
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die “
based on thier transgression they are responsible with the devil for bringing death upon man death wasn’t designed by God for man but man was warned not to do what would cause thier death Gods word is sure either way whether we believe and obey or reject and disobey it’s always true
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
Death is a result of sin only . Sin is when we transgress his word and that is deaths source . In this way all evils come from the same transgressions of his word. Both good and evil come from Gods word that’s what so many don’t understand about the old covenant it was like the first commandment of they obeyed they would do well if they broke it they would be cursed forever
And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee,and overtake thee:
And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.
Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed;
because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.”
Deuteronomy 28:14-19, 21-22, 29, 37, 45-46
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”
Deuteronomy 30:1-3, 9-10, 15-20 KJV
I always wonder why people don’t investigate the Old Testament law before promoting it as it’s written because there is absolutely no life left in it for sinners like all
Men . Only the result of transgression exists in it
They like Adam made the law a curse through transgression it came from his word because his word was always saying “ Thou shalt not do this or you will sorely die “ in the law just like the first commandment
that whole covenant became a curse of death upon all sinners and all have been found sinners . So all are under the curse of the at broken covenant and need to accept the new because that word is not the same
it comes to those who already have sinned and been found guilty by the law , and the word says this rather than what the law and commandment said
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
one covenant is made of faith in God and believing his word for eternal
Life
the other covenant is not made of faith but tells the hearer if you have sinned and transgressed any of my laws or ordinances you are under a sentence of death and cursed beyond saving
Men transgressed his constant true warnings
See if the commandment is believed and kept death has no place In The equation but if this commandment that can keep them alive is transgressed then the truth becomes death
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17
Gods word creates all things and the results come from either believing and keeping it trusting his word , of casting it aside for a better answer that we like more. Either way both good and evil come from the creative source and the results are based upon mans choice to hear and reject or accept and believe.
Good and evil come from his word based upon the response the first commandment as Gods word always is is meant to keep us safe , but when we reject it there’s nothing to keep us safe and we then open ourselves up to deception like Adam and Eve had done
When they transgressed the first part of the commandment goes away and the second part becomes true based on thier actions knowing the truth
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
they disbelieved and transgressed this part and brought forth a curse for transgression that they were warned of
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die “
based on thier transgression they are responsible with the devil for bringing death upon man death wasn’t designed by God for man but man was warned not to do what would cause thier death Gods word is sure either way whether we believe and obey or reject and disobey it’s always true
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12 KJV
Death is a result of sin only . Sin is when we transgress his word and that is deaths source . In this way all evils come from the same transgressions of his word. Both good and evil come from Gods word that’s what so many don’t understand about the old covenant it was like the first commandment of they obeyed they would do well if they broke it they would be cursed forever
And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee,and overtake thee:
And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.
Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed;
because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.”
Deuteronomy 28:14-19, 21-22, 29, 37, 45-46
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”
Deuteronomy 30:1-3, 9-10, 15-20 KJV
I always wonder why people don’t investigate the Old Testament law before promoting it as it’s written because there is absolutely no life left in it for sinners like all
Men . Only the result of transgression exists in it
They like Adam made the law a curse through transgression it came from his word because his word was always saying “ Thou shalt not do this or you will sorely die “ in the law just like the first commandment
that whole covenant became a curse of death upon all sinners and all have been found sinners . So all are under the curse of the at broken covenant and need to accept the new because that word is not the same
it comes to those who already have sinned and been found guilty by the law , and the word says this rather than what the law and commandment said
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
one covenant is made of faith in God and believing his word for eternal
Life
the other covenant is not made of faith but tells the hearer if you have sinned and transgressed any of my laws or ordinances you are under a sentence of death and cursed beyond saving
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no no both covenants are good they have opposite purposes because they came at different times in the plan of salvation.
the first came to people who were sinners and had no law to define sin for them. They had no law of God before he gave it to them but even before this they were very sinful. The law is for the “knowledge of “ the “understanding of “ sin . It’s good and right and holy that it teaches sinners about sin that was needed first before we could be justifiably held to account we had to have a law that everyone could know and see in the world
it’s like if you have to kids one knows the rule , the other doesn’t , it’s not equal to punish the one who didn’t know the rule as the one who did.know it and still transgressed . The law came to make known the knowledge of sin for the purpose of holding men to account for thier sinfulness
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
ultimately one the covenant made through Moses is meant to hold sinners in all the world guilty who will not repent of sin and also those who will repent the law is what brings them to it to Know our sins brings repentance . Or another wording is we don’t stop winning if we don’t first know it’s sin .
so the law is very good and the gospel is very good but the gospel came at the appointed time when the law was established for the purpose of saving the sinners of the world who recognize their sins and sorrow over them rather than justify rejoice and continue in them
they are two parts of one plan to save mankind from what happened in Eden and restore us to what’s in the end of revelation one plan of God is what the Bible is about but it has different parts at different points . It’s why we have two covenants in scripture there were two phases to salvation
first you have to make sinners aware that they are sinning and are going to perish because of their sins , then you can send salvation on one man who does as a propitiation for all sins and tell everyone “ all things belong to this one man his words are eternal
Life or damnation believe and be saved from the death the Old Testament made you aware of “
We’re condemned by transgressing the first and redeemed when we repent and believe the new they are two parts of one beiutofuk and complete Oman to save all man who will believe
Both covenants are good , one simply was never meant to save men’s souls but to show men they are lost without Gods salvation by thier own sin after he gave us free will we condemned ourselves with sin
the law is meant to teach Christians that truth that you also are a sinner and you also are lost forever unless you repent and believe the gospel
both are good and holy just have different purposes one was only
Meant to lead to the other but both have worked salvation from the beginning
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”
Galatians 3:19, 21-
see what I’m saying ? Both covenants were required to be as they were to accomplish bringing all sinners to Christ who will respond to the gospel sent into all the world because of the law
the first came to people who were sinners and had no law to define sin for them. They had no law of God before he gave it to them but even before this they were very sinful. The law is for the “knowledge of “ the “understanding of “ sin . It’s good and right and holy that it teaches sinners about sin that was needed first before we could be justifiably held to account we had to have a law that everyone could know and see in the world
it’s like if you have to kids one knows the rule , the other doesn’t , it’s not equal to punish the one who didn’t know the rule as the one who did.know it and still transgressed . The law came to make known the knowledge of sin for the purpose of holding men to account for thier sinfulness
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
ultimately one the covenant made through Moses is meant to hold sinners in all the world guilty who will not repent of sin and also those who will repent the law is what brings them to it to Know our sins brings repentance . Or another wording is we don’t stop winning if we don’t first know it’s sin .
so the law is very good and the gospel is very good but the gospel came at the appointed time when the law was established for the purpose of saving the sinners of the world who recognize their sins and sorrow over them rather than justify rejoice and continue in them
they are two parts of one plan to save mankind from what happened in Eden and restore us to what’s in the end of revelation one plan of God is what the Bible is about but it has different parts at different points . It’s why we have two covenants in scripture there were two phases to salvation
first you have to make sinners aware that they are sinning and are going to perish because of their sins , then you can send salvation on one man who does as a propitiation for all sins and tell everyone “ all things belong to this one man his words are eternal
Life or damnation believe and be saved from the death the Old Testament made you aware of “
We’re condemned by transgressing the first and redeemed when we repent and believe the new they are two parts of one beiutofuk and complete Oman to save all man who will believe
Both covenants are good , one simply was never meant to save men’s souls but to show men they are lost without Gods salvation by thier own sin after he gave us free will we condemned ourselves with sin
the law is meant to teach Christians that truth that you also are a sinner and you also are lost forever unless you repent and believe the gospel
both are good and holy just have different purposes one was only
Meant to lead to the other but both have worked salvation from the beginning
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”
Galatians 3:19, 21-
see what I’m saying ? Both covenants were required to be as they were to accomplish bringing all sinners to Christ who will respond to the gospel sent into all the world because of the law
what I’m saying about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is that it changed mans understanding of life and death when they partook of the forbidden knowledge which was satans word.
this produced in mans core nature a desire and will that is conflicted between good and evil. It changed man that’s when the law of sin came forth after they became conflicted between what is good and what is evil , what should I do ? Eat the fruit God said is certain death ? Or should I trust him and not eat the fruit ?
the conflict came when Satan spoke the deception and they accepted his words over Gods. That’s the knowledge of good and evil in what I’m saying Gods word is the good knowledge we want , and Satans word (all Other contrary word from Gods word about any matter) is the evil knowledge we need to lower from
the law is not meant to take sinners and transform them by faith into renewed people inwardly . It’s meant to take sinners and reveal that they are sinners too just like the ones they are condemning and stoning to death for thier sins. Once a person accepts the ey also have sinned by the law and are condemned then we come to the question this inner conflict brings up
“For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
but with the flesh the law of sin.”
Romans 7:22-25 KJV
Now one may stop there and take it as we’re free to sin until we leave the flesh but that’s not it
all sinners have that conflict even when we know good and want to do good , there’s always the place for temptation to speak To us always evil has a voice . Sometimes it comes through bad advice or just bad thinking , conflict ect but always when there is good for
Man there is evil right there waiting for then to slip just a moment to get a foothold in the mind and heart where the law of God is a delight
Paul continues explaining and it changes everything he had been saying
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh,
but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:1-2 KJV
Paul’s doctrine makes sense of we look at the struggle he’s talking about
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit,
and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit,
ye are not under the law.”
Galatians 5:16-18 KJV
the spirit is the new covenant e law is the old spirit the word of the gospel the law the words of Moses
one covenant teaches us to follow by the flesh will to resist our corrupt selves “Thou shalt not lest you surely be put to death you sinners “
the other teaches us to follow the holy spirit of Christ Jesus a gift given of his promise through believing the gospel , whom preached and taught the word of God and said believe and be saved be the children of God and live forever in eternity and glory with me “
we have a covenant of life now and can abandon the one that led the world to the need for salvation and we can accept and follow the life now
this produced in mans core nature a desire and will that is conflicted between good and evil. It changed man that’s when the law of sin came forth after they became conflicted between what is good and what is evil , what should I do ? Eat the fruit God said is certain death ? Or should I trust him and not eat the fruit ?
the conflict came when Satan spoke the deception and they accepted his words over Gods. That’s the knowledge of good and evil in what I’m saying Gods word is the good knowledge we want , and Satans word (all Other contrary word from Gods word about any matter) is the evil knowledge we need to lower from
the law is not meant to take sinners and transform them by faith into renewed people inwardly . It’s meant to take sinners and reveal that they are sinners too just like the ones they are condemning and stoning to death for thier sins. Once a person accepts the ey also have sinned by the law and are condemned then we come to the question this inner conflict brings up
“For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
but with the flesh the law of sin.”
Romans 7:22-25 KJV
Now one may stop there and take it as we’re free to sin until we leave the flesh but that’s not it
all sinners have that conflict even when we know good and want to do good , there’s always the place for temptation to speak To us always evil has a voice . Sometimes it comes through bad advice or just bad thinking , conflict ect but always when there is good for
Man there is evil right there waiting for then to slip just a moment to get a foothold in the mind and heart where the law of God is a delight
Paul continues explaining and it changes everything he had been saying
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh,
but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:1-2 KJV
Paul’s doctrine makes sense of we look at the struggle he’s talking about
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit,
and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit,
ye are not under the law.”
Galatians 5:16-18 KJV
the spirit is the new covenant e law is the old spirit the word of the gospel the law the words of Moses
one covenant teaches us to follow by the flesh will to resist our corrupt selves “Thou shalt not lest you surely be put to death you sinners “
the other teaches us to follow the holy spirit of Christ Jesus a gift given of his promise through believing the gospel , whom preached and taught the word of God and said believe and be saved be the children of God and live forever in eternity and glory with me “
we have a covenant of life now and can abandon the one that led the world to the need for salvation and we can accept and follow the life now
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they aren’t two different things a living soul is produced when the spirit enters into the body those two elements a spirit united with and living in a body , is a living soul
in Hebrews there it’s saying that the word of God can seperate our living spirit from our old body which is a soul a body and spirit in one is a soul . The word is able to take the living spirit seperate it from that living soul and give a new incorruptible body in order to save that living soul because a soul needs a body and spirit in one .
to seperate a persons spirit from the flesh is to seperate it from the soul . In order for a soul to be saved we need a saved spirit and an incorruptible body formoir spirit to love in forever . Our whole soul is being saved our spirit from this dead body and into Anne’s eternal one
yes mans spirit came out from God he is the father of all spirit. Just as Adam was father of all flesh . The thing is our design is meant to be the living spirit of God , operating in an obedient body. The body is inanimate it’s like a vehicle there’s no life in the body only while the spirit swells in the flesh is it living . A spirit is like a driver and the body like a car
the car can do nothing until the driver makes the control command. Stepmom the gas the car moves , pump the breaks the car slows . Turn the wheel right the car turns right ect
the spirit of man is meant to be the driver , and the body is meant to have no will of its own that fights against the spirit . Satan corrupted the physical part of man the body . And now the knowledge of evil dwells in our flesh and it has a corrupted will that was never meant to be so we now have good and evil in us in constant conflict we can now hear God and Satan
“For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.”
Romans 7:14-15, 17-21
that’s what the knowledge of good and evil caused.
the spirit of life of men and animals anything living came from Gods spirit that is the very beginning of everything.
yes I believe that God has given the world time to repent of following the evil in the flesh and return to following the spirit which was where mans true design began
the gospel is about restoring man to what we were meant to be in the beginning before the devil stole our birthright of life with God forever as his children
it’s all about returning us to the beginning and returning creation to its infinite and perfect state and Gods plan will be glorious for certain
that’s what my mind thinks anyways brother
in Hebrews there it’s saying that the word of God can seperate our living spirit from our old body which is a soul a body and spirit in one is a soul . The word is able to take the living spirit seperate it from that living soul and give a new incorruptible body in order to save that living soul because a soul needs a body and spirit in one .
to seperate a persons spirit from the flesh is to seperate it from the soul . In order for a soul to be saved we need a saved spirit and an incorruptible body formoir spirit to love in forever . Our whole soul is being saved our spirit from this dead body and into Anne’s eternal one
yes mans spirit came out from God he is the father of all spirit. Just as Adam was father of all flesh . The thing is our design is meant to be the living spirit of God , operating in an obedient body. The body is inanimate it’s like a vehicle there’s no life in the body only while the spirit swells in the flesh is it living . A spirit is like a driver and the body like a car
the car can do nothing until the driver makes the control command. Stepmom the gas the car moves , pump the breaks the car slows . Turn the wheel right the car turns right ect
the spirit of man is meant to be the driver , and the body is meant to have no will of its own that fights against the spirit . Satan corrupted the physical part of man the body . And now the knowledge of evil dwells in our flesh and it has a corrupted will that was never meant to be so we now have good and evil in us in constant conflict we can now hear God and Satan
“For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.”
Romans 7:14-15, 17-21
that’s what the knowledge of good and evil caused.
the spirit of life of men and animals anything living came from Gods spirit that is the very beginning of everything.
yes I believe that God has given the world time to repent of following the evil in the flesh and return to following the spirit which was where mans true design began
the gospel is about restoring man to what we were meant to be in the beginning before the devil stole our birthright of life with God forever as his children
it’s all about returning us to the beginning and returning creation to its infinite and perfect state and Gods plan will be glorious for certain
that’s what my mind thinks anyways brother
amen. I think also with your true and good point it should be balanced with this that shows us itwnnotnthenend of the matter when we receive the deposit
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.”
Hebrews 6:4-9 KJV
we still have to produce the fruit of the spirit and not remain as a producer of thorns and briars in other words we can’t continue on living for the flesh when we receive the spirit we have to then begin to follow the spirit and let the flesh die
“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death;
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
Romans 8:5-6, 13 KJV
We actually have a choice when we receive the spirit to reject and ignore or hear and follow if we hear and follow we’re going to live if we reject and deny we will still perish
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
it’s not just receiving the promise of the spirit but the spirit enables us to overcome the enemy
“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.”
Galatians 5:17-24 KJV
we still can’t live for the flesh because we receive the spirit we now have no excuse we have the spirit to empower us to overcome and be saved
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.”
Hebrews 6:4-9 KJV
we still have to produce the fruit of the spirit and not remain as a producer of thorns and briars in other words we can’t continue on living for the flesh when we receive the spirit we have to then begin to follow the spirit and let the flesh die
“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death;
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
Romans 8:5-6, 13 KJV
We actually have a choice when we receive the spirit to reject and ignore or hear and follow if we hear and follow we’re going to live if we reject and deny we will still perish
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
it’s not just receiving the promise of the spirit but the spirit enables us to overcome the enemy
“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.”
Galatians 5:17-24 KJV
we still can’t live for the flesh because we receive the spirit we now have no excuse we have the spirit to empower us to overcome and be saved
I don't know that this passage really adds balance for a variety of reasons.
It's addressed to those who: tasted the heavenly gift, were made partakes of the Holy Ghost, tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come. Secondly, the Son of God is not is crucified over and over and over like animal sacrifices were. Jesus was crucified one time and will never be crucified again.
The author uses a rhetorical literary device to demonstrate that the audience had every possible chance to accept Christ, but did not. This verse doesn't explain what the "heavenly gift is" or the powers of the world to come, but as far as I can tell these were most likely those who saw Jesus in the flesh or saw the apostles use miracles and still did not believe.
They are like those who knew the word of God, saw Jesus do miracles, and still didn't believe, but rather accused Jesus of having a demon. If people can see all of those things and still not believe then this verse applies to them. This verse applies to no one alive today.
Have you tasted the heavenly gift, were made partakes of the Holy Ghost, tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come?
Furthermore, verse 9 of Hebrews 6 says "But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. "
Verse 9 concludes that the author is not talking about those who have accepted the Once and For all sacrifice of Christ. He's speaking to unrepentant Hebrews who have rejected Christ and basically said "No thanks. We'll go back to the temple and keep making animal sacrifices and attempting to be justified by the Law."
To prove it:
Hebrews 10:3-4
3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:14
14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
I generally agree with your many points here, but there is grace for those who have believed in Christ. It's impossible to say that Christ's once-and-for-all sacrifice forgives sins, through faith, forever while still applying sin to people. We are born again by the Holy Spirit. Our spirit is new, but our corrupt flesh is still here. We may battle with this for a lifetime.
This is why babes in Christ who are still carnal are still in Christ despite their many flaws.
1 Corinthians 3:1
1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
Ever wonder why everyone still struggles with sin? Whether it be a large sin, a small sin, known sins, unknown sins, etc. Our righteousness isn't that great. That's the whole point of Jesus.
Paul, in Romans 7, breaks it down a little bit:
Romans 7:
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
This is the whole reason why anyone at all is saved by grace through faith despite their many flaws. We have access to God's grace through faith:
Romans 5:2
2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
It's addressed to those who: tasted the heavenly gift, were made partakes of the Holy Ghost, tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come. Secondly, the Son of God is not is crucified over and over and over like animal sacrifices were. Jesus was crucified one time and will never be crucified again.
The author uses a rhetorical literary device to demonstrate that the audience had every possible chance to accept Christ, but did not. This verse doesn't explain what the "heavenly gift is" or the powers of the world to come, but as far as I can tell these were most likely those who saw Jesus in the flesh or saw the apostles use miracles and still did not believe.
They are like those who knew the word of God, saw Jesus do miracles, and still didn't believe, but rather accused Jesus of having a demon. If people can see all of those things and still not believe then this verse applies to them. This verse applies to no one alive today.
Have you tasted the heavenly gift, were made partakes of the Holy Ghost, tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come?
Furthermore, verse 9 of Hebrews 6 says "But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. "
Verse 9 concludes that the author is not talking about those who have accepted the Once and For all sacrifice of Christ. He's speaking to unrepentant Hebrews who have rejected Christ and basically said "No thanks. We'll go back to the temple and keep making animal sacrifices and attempting to be justified by the Law."
To prove it:
Hebrews 10:3-4
3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:14
14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
I generally agree with your many points here, but there is grace for those who have believed in Christ. It's impossible to say that Christ's once-and-for-all sacrifice forgives sins, through faith, forever while still applying sin to people. We are born again by the Holy Spirit. Our spirit is new, but our corrupt flesh is still here. We may battle with this for a lifetime.
This is why babes in Christ who are still carnal are still in Christ despite their many flaws.
1 Corinthians 3:1
1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
Ever wonder why everyone still struggles with sin? Whether it be a large sin, a small sin, known sins, unknown sins, etc. Our righteousness isn't that great. That's the whole point of Jesus.
Paul, in Romans 7, breaks it down a little bit:
Romans 7:
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
This is the whole reason why anyone at all is saved by grace through faith despite their many flaws. We have access to God's grace through faith:
Romans 5:2
2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
pretty thought provoking post there
yes I thinkin would say having an evil spirit is what makes an evil Mind. Our mind and heart is where we can see and hear our spirit. All about us that cannot be seen outwardly is our spirit .
Thoughts , desires , will , heart , hopes , dreams , emotions everything real about us is the spirit. And isn’t what we can look at with our natural eyes and see in another it’s within them hidden inside the shell of the flesh
our spirit is expressed through our words and actions that we commit through operating our flesh. Like a vehicle and driver. The spirit is known by words that express knowledge words are an expression of what is in the mind and heart .
Those thoughts and desires the heart and core of us are spirit and through the flesh we express ourselves in the world, in the creation . The created part of the world . We have a body now that’s made of that creation he made in the beginning
we actually are a spirit which came out of God and made us a living soul when he placed us in the creation in the created body of the earth
you see a spirit is like the source and the body is necassary for a spirit to be part of Gods creation. Both heavenly and earthly a spirit and a body made of creation is required for a soul to exist in the world
have you noticed when the evil spirits appear in the gospel , how thoer will is to be within a body of flesh ? Jesus would cast them out of the people they were dwelling inside of and the. Thoer will was immediately that he would send them into another body ? Even pigs ?
After Jesus shows his power tomspeak to the creation itself and command it he then shows his power over spirit
“But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him! And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.”
Matthew 8:27-32 KJV
spirit requires a body in order to exist in the material realm. Satan is a spirit also so he has to “ possess” someone’s heart and mind in order to operate his will in the world
man is the key to creation because in the very first God created everything and then set mankind as the possesser of the earth . He essentially Made earth for mankind That he had created for himself so mans will is what determines the destiny of earth
if man is like God in our nature good and we don’t have a struggle knowing what is good and what is evil of we have a conscience made after Jesus gospel then there is only life for man
but Satan corrupted that pet of
Mankind because dominion belonged to man. The spiritual evil in the world needs to deceive and operate through mankind in order to commit any sin or evil deed because it has to be man the earth was made for us
do you see what I’m thinking ? Spirit needs a body to be fully part of the creation “ heaven and earth “ heavenly is spirit and earthly is body. We need both to be complete which one complete person is a living soul the spirit of Gods child in the body that is not opposed to the spirit like Adam was created .
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
he wasn’t a soul when he was formed , but when the spirit of life came into him from God them he became a living soul in the creation. Part spirit , part body perfect harmony because there was no deception to cause confusion within and conflict between good and evil knowledge
that’s what we need redeemed to because of what came later, which caused the body , to be corrupted and become flesh ( dying and condemned body) degraded because of the transgression now mankind can never be the same they are no longer as God , they became as gods
it was a degradation from their true and original image man wasn’t in a struggle knowing both , God created us above that struggle and Satan drew us into it with a deception which brought a sinful and conflicted nature in thier offspring.
man became those who nOw require salvation , reconciliation , redemption , atonement in order that we do not die with the flesh but are redeemed to a glorified body that exists on earth and a spirit which exists in heaven and on earth in the body.
God never created sinners he created man in his good image and Satan corrupted them and produced sinners under sentence of death
the flesh is what is condemned to the first death it can’t be saved it has to die because of the commandment of sin and death.
The soul the spirit first by faith
and the body through the promise also of faith to come
is what’s being saved because of our spirit does in the flesh in our sins we’re doomed
“And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath;
I am from above:
ye are of this world;
I am not of this world.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou?
And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”
John 8:23-28 KJV
If we believe the gospel , our spirit is going to be saved from our dead body the moment we pass away . If it isn’t taken from that body it is forever doomed that’s what the gospel is saving us from our souls are doomed forever unless we receive a new and incorruptible body for our saved spirit
but if we are redeemed by Christ and have a promise of a glorified body our souls are saved by his word.
what I’m saying is from the first the creation is both heavenly ( spirit) and also the created material part ( body)
it’s true of creation as in the heavens and the earth , it’s true of man who is spirit in a material created body . It’s true of God the Farher who is a spirit in heaven and is Christ The Man with a body on earth.
it’s true of even animals they have a living spirit though it differs from man , but they also have a body that was created. Every thing that lives and breathes has a spirit whether good or evil and those spirits express themselves in the world by knowledge spoken , and shown and taught by mankind
man is like a conduit for good and evil now and the world has been filled with evil because of us Gods redeeming us
yes I thinkin would say having an evil spirit is what makes an evil Mind. Our mind and heart is where we can see and hear our spirit. All about us that cannot be seen outwardly is our spirit .
Thoughts , desires , will , heart , hopes , dreams , emotions everything real about us is the spirit. And isn’t what we can look at with our natural eyes and see in another it’s within them hidden inside the shell of the flesh
our spirit is expressed through our words and actions that we commit through operating our flesh. Like a vehicle and driver. The spirit is known by words that express knowledge words are an expression of what is in the mind and heart .
Those thoughts and desires the heart and core of us are spirit and through the flesh we express ourselves in the world, in the creation . The created part of the world . We have a body now that’s made of that creation he made in the beginning
we actually are a spirit which came out of God and made us a living soul when he placed us in the creation in the created body of the earth
you see a spirit is like the source and the body is necassary for a spirit to be part of Gods creation. Both heavenly and earthly a spirit and a body made of creation is required for a soul to exist in the world
have you noticed when the evil spirits appear in the gospel , how thoer will is to be within a body of flesh ? Jesus would cast them out of the people they were dwelling inside of and the. Thoer will was immediately that he would send them into another body ? Even pigs ?
After Jesus shows his power tomspeak to the creation itself and command it he then shows his power over spirit
“But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him! And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.”
Matthew 8:27-32 KJV
spirit requires a body in order to exist in the material realm. Satan is a spirit also so he has to “ possess” someone’s heart and mind in order to operate his will in the world
man is the key to creation because in the very first God created everything and then set mankind as the possesser of the earth . He essentially Made earth for mankind That he had created for himself so mans will is what determines the destiny of earth
if man is like God in our nature good and we don’t have a struggle knowing what is good and what is evil of we have a conscience made after Jesus gospel then there is only life for man
but Satan corrupted that pet of
Mankind because dominion belonged to man. The spiritual evil in the world needs to deceive and operate through mankind in order to commit any sin or evil deed because it has to be man the earth was made for us
do you see what I’m thinking ? Spirit needs a body to be fully part of the creation “ heaven and earth “ heavenly is spirit and earthly is body. We need both to be complete which one complete person is a living soul the spirit of Gods child in the body that is not opposed to the spirit like Adam was created .
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
he wasn’t a soul when he was formed , but when the spirit of life came into him from God them he became a living soul in the creation. Part spirit , part body perfect harmony because there was no deception to cause confusion within and conflict between good and evil knowledge
that’s what we need redeemed to because of what came later, which caused the body , to be corrupted and become flesh ( dying and condemned body) degraded because of the transgression now mankind can never be the same they are no longer as God , they became as gods
it was a degradation from their true and original image man wasn’t in a struggle knowing both , God created us above that struggle and Satan drew us into it with a deception which brought a sinful and conflicted nature in thier offspring.
man became those who nOw require salvation , reconciliation , redemption , atonement in order that we do not die with the flesh but are redeemed to a glorified body that exists on earth and a spirit which exists in heaven and on earth in the body.
God never created sinners he created man in his good image and Satan corrupted them and produced sinners under sentence of death
the flesh is what is condemned to the first death it can’t be saved it has to die because of the commandment of sin and death.
The soul the spirit first by faith
and the body through the promise also of faith to come
is what’s being saved because of our spirit does in the flesh in our sins we’re doomed
“And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath;
I am from above:
ye are of this world;
I am not of this world.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou?
And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”
John 8:23-28 KJV
If we believe the gospel , our spirit is going to be saved from our dead body the moment we pass away . If it isn’t taken from that body it is forever doomed that’s what the gospel is saving us from our souls are doomed forever unless we receive a new and incorruptible body for our saved spirit
but if we are redeemed by Christ and have a promise of a glorified body our souls are saved by his word.
what I’m saying is from the first the creation is both heavenly ( spirit) and also the created material part ( body)
it’s true of creation as in the heavens and the earth , it’s true of man who is spirit in a material created body . It’s true of God the Farher who is a spirit in heaven and is Christ The Man with a body on earth.
it’s true of even animals they have a living spirit though it differs from man , but they also have a body that was created. Every thing that lives and breathes has a spirit whether good or evil and those spirits express themselves in the world by knowledge spoken , and shown and taught by mankind
man is like a conduit for good and evil now and the world has been filled with evil because of us Gods redeeming us
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yes I agree with a lot of your points also just saying things differently
I believe salvation is always going to look and sound like this if it’s spoken forth properly both aspects will be present
Jesus removes our judgement over anyone else and thiers over us first if we hear him and then he himself comes near and teaches us the truth and becomes our own judge according to what we have between himself and us and what word we have either received or rejected
“So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
...When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord!
And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”
John 8:7, 10-11 KJV
Jesus forgives and teaches and also warns and calls for repentance constantly . To “ willfully sin “ is when we persist in sin when Gods word is constantly calling formoir repentance from whatever issues he’s working with us on at the time
the reason I left that response and said it was good balance is because the gospel is both repentance and also remission of sins .
when we stop short at “ just everyone’s forgiven by Jesus because we received the spirit “ then it needs the other part of the gospel to balance it slot of folks now days refuse to hear the balance part of “ now go and repent and leave the life of sin you knew it’s important and necassary “
“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:46-47 KJV
We should preach the crucifixion and resurrection , repentance and remission in Christ . we should never preach just “ you Must repent and be perfect or your damned the end “
or “ doesn’t matter if we repent we’re saved “
either way gets the balance of the gospel off track and subverts it’s efficacy on the heart and mind to draw believers assuredly into salvation through repentance and his forebearance for us while we come to repentance and salvation
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,”
2 Peter 3:9-11
the gospel carries a message of hope and assurance but also a stern warning that is true and always an exhortation to repent and press on in the thkngs of God
no offense or really a disagreement i just thought it fit in to have that balance
I believe salvation is always going to look and sound like this if it’s spoken forth properly both aspects will be present
Jesus removes our judgement over anyone else and thiers over us first if we hear him and then he himself comes near and teaches us the truth and becomes our own judge according to what we have between himself and us and what word we have either received or rejected
“So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
...When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord!
And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”
John 8:7, 10-11 KJV
Jesus forgives and teaches and also warns and calls for repentance constantly . To “ willfully sin “ is when we persist in sin when Gods word is constantly calling formoir repentance from whatever issues he’s working with us on at the time
the reason I left that response and said it was good balance is because the gospel is both repentance and also remission of sins .
when we stop short at “ just everyone’s forgiven by Jesus because we received the spirit “ then it needs the other part of the gospel to balance it slot of folks now days refuse to hear the balance part of “ now go and repent and leave the life of sin you knew it’s important and necassary “
“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:46-47 KJV
We should preach the crucifixion and resurrection , repentance and remission in Christ . we should never preach just “ you Must repent and be perfect or your damned the end “
or “ doesn’t matter if we repent we’re saved “
either way gets the balance of the gospel off track and subverts it’s efficacy on the heart and mind to draw believers assuredly into salvation through repentance and his forebearance for us while we come to repentance and salvation
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,”
2 Peter 3:9-11
the gospel carries a message of hope and assurance but also a stern warning that is true and always an exhortation to repent and press on in the thkngs of God
no offense or really a disagreement i just thought it fit in to have that balance
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The flesh is what allows us to be about ourselves. What allows us to make our own rules. To be uncertain of God's Word.
Did we lose our spirit with original sin or did the evil knowledge add an evil spirit? Are there percentages to which spirit we are following? Why does God give us a new heart and spirit in Ezekiel 11:19?
Did we lose our spirit with original sin or did the evil knowledge add an evil spirit? Are there percentages to which spirit we are following? Why does God give us a new heart and spirit in Ezekiel 11:19?
what you were saying about the spirit of the devil is a key point of the operation of the world v the operation of Gods kingdom
that snare and trap that has people enslaved to satans will that we spoke of that is in the world
“Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.”
Ephesians 2:2-3 KJV
this is where and why Gods wrath is coming on the earth . The sinfulness within man that is destroying one another and the creation itself. Sadly those who follow after sin are going to reap its harvest which is the unyielding wrath of God unless we do this then we’re going to surely be saved
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
To really accept the gospel we have to acknowledge our sins when we hear the truth in it then we can repent or rather then the process of repentance can begin to work in us . As long as we follow doctrines that tell us not to acknowledge our sins anymore we can never get the repentance going
if we believe the gospel these things are among all of the salvation promises and these things will move us to repent if we don’t reject them they are creating a new faith in us a new belief a new nature
remember in the ot when God was promising to give them a new heart and spirit so they could and would begin to walk on his ways not begrudgingly but by thier new nature he would place in them with this new covenant he was going to make ?
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
What I was saying earlier is words are what conveys knowledge and understanding , and knowledge and understanding is what spirit is that wisdom where all things began that you were talking about at some point in our talk
when Adam and Eve were created they had the spirit which was of God and a body that was not corrupt or had no conflict with the spirit there was unity between spirit and body
the fruit is a physical thing a physical thing is a temptation for the physical part but it takes the spirit within , being deceived in order to actually move the body to commit the sin.
both aspects transgressed but only the spirit of man was deceived and then the body followed the deception within .
our redemption comes by the word of truth which brings into our minds and hearts by faith , the spirit of truth that destroys and circumcised the deception on our thinking our spiritual mind in this we are able to repent by his will through our faith in his word Jesus Christ .
That’s how sin has is trapped it’s an infiltration within being improper and fouled knowledge and works in our minds and hearts to tempt us to sin with our body which is for Gods purposes , and condemn our whole soul .
Because whatever we actually have in our faith our belief is what our body is going to follow and do whether good or bad we need to believe the gospel and to believe it we need to hear it and fill up our thinking in line with his message
. The body is nothing without the spirit , It’s only an expression of the person inside an expression of the soul of
Men. our spirit needs to come from the gospel which is why were
Meant to believe and share it with others for salvation
“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:22-24 KJV
believing the gospel is what changes the mind and makes us able to
Put on the new garments
that’s why it’s salvation to believe it . Our problem was always the wrong knowledge in the world , the gospel is the everlasting truth for salvation authorized by the one who spoke it died and then rose from the dead . Anyone who can’t take his word as the truth is going to be sore in the end . The truth is what we need for salvation to believe
“Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,
he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”
James 1:18, 21-25
The gospel progressively teaches us and we grow by faith to faith because we believe he takes it at each ones ability to keep up each is truly saved by the lord alone
the gospel is the key to everything it’s why the Bible makes it this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
as Christians we have lost the preaching of the gospel so not many are hearing it only parts and different interpretations in each denomination it’s meant to bring people together because we believe and follow the way of not trying to be one a others judge for salvation but rather one another’s loving brother for salvation who forgives and lofts up the fallen brother or sister rather than accusing and excommunicating them for their sins as we hide our own
men are terrible judges of each other , but God is good
that snare and trap that has people enslaved to satans will that we spoke of that is in the world
“Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.”
Ephesians 2:2-3 KJV
this is where and why Gods wrath is coming on the earth . The sinfulness within man that is destroying one another and the creation itself. Sadly those who follow after sin are going to reap its harvest which is the unyielding wrath of God unless we do this then we’re going to surely be saved
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
To really accept the gospel we have to acknowledge our sins when we hear the truth in it then we can repent or rather then the process of repentance can begin to work in us . As long as we follow doctrines that tell us not to acknowledge our sins anymore we can never get the repentance going
if we believe the gospel these things are among all of the salvation promises and these things will move us to repent if we don’t reject them they are creating a new faith in us a new belief a new nature
remember in the ot when God was promising to give them a new heart and spirit so they could and would begin to walk on his ways not begrudgingly but by thier new nature he would place in them with this new covenant he was going to make ?
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
What I was saying earlier is words are what conveys knowledge and understanding , and knowledge and understanding is what spirit is that wisdom where all things began that you were talking about at some point in our talk
when Adam and Eve were created they had the spirit which was of God and a body that was not corrupt or had no conflict with the spirit there was unity between spirit and body
the fruit is a physical thing a physical thing is a temptation for the physical part but it takes the spirit within , being deceived in order to actually move the body to commit the sin.
both aspects transgressed but only the spirit of man was deceived and then the body followed the deception within .
our redemption comes by the word of truth which brings into our minds and hearts by faith , the spirit of truth that destroys and circumcised the deception on our thinking our spiritual mind in this we are able to repent by his will through our faith in his word Jesus Christ .
That’s how sin has is trapped it’s an infiltration within being improper and fouled knowledge and works in our minds and hearts to tempt us to sin with our body which is for Gods purposes , and condemn our whole soul .
Because whatever we actually have in our faith our belief is what our body is going to follow and do whether good or bad we need to believe the gospel and to believe it we need to hear it and fill up our thinking in line with his message
. The body is nothing without the spirit , It’s only an expression of the person inside an expression of the soul of
Men. our spirit needs to come from the gospel which is why were
Meant to believe and share it with others for salvation
“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:22-24 KJV
believing the gospel is what changes the mind and makes us able to
Put on the new garments
that’s why it’s salvation to believe it . Our problem was always the wrong knowledge in the world , the gospel is the everlasting truth for salvation authorized by the one who spoke it died and then rose from the dead . Anyone who can’t take his word as the truth is going to be sore in the end . The truth is what we need for salvation to believe
“Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,
he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”
James 1:18, 21-25
The gospel progressively teaches us and we grow by faith to faith because we believe he takes it at each ones ability to keep up each is truly saved by the lord alone
the gospel is the key to everything it’s why the Bible makes it this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
as Christians we have lost the preaching of the gospel so not many are hearing it only parts and different interpretations in each denomination it’s meant to bring people together because we believe and follow the way of not trying to be one a others judge for salvation but rather one another’s loving brother for salvation who forgives and lofts up the fallen brother or sister rather than accusing and excommunicating them for their sins as we hide our own
men are terrible judges of each other , but God is good
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What are the chances the Old Covenant was literally about the flesh? Could us under the New Covenant be becoming Spiritual Angels to replace the fallen ones? Are the Jews going to become man again on a new Earth? I wouldn't mind being an Angel, it's just a little strange we weren't directly told ..maybe that would have caused a problem that I'm not seeing.