Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

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Toto

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The Lord God knows our hearts. To those whose hearts belong to Him He will reveal the true meaning of scripture. If anyone would truly understand then they must pray and seek earnestly the will of God as revealed in scripture. Arguing like this is not necessary and is forbidden by God Himself.
 

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The Lord God knows our hearts. To those whose hearts belong to Him He will reveal the true meaning of scripture. If anyone would truly understand then they must pray and seek earnestly the will of God as revealed in scripture. Arguing like this is not necessary and is forbidden by God Himself.
Well put indeed.
 

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the gifts of thw Holy Spirit and the Gifts of Christ are both for men and women? If they are then where are they to use them? Why is it seen as preaching as asserting authority over a man when the words a woman is saying are not her own but from a man from God? If it is the title one is the concern with then don't call her Pastor. Yet God does use women to teach men and has always used them. That is clearly in the Word of God.
 

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If you have any Scriptures to share to support your position please let us know. I have not seen the slightest scintilla of evidence to indicate that women pastors were ever allowed in the duly constituted Church of Jesus Christ.

This idea of misogyny or oppression is of the world and of the wicked one and does and not belong in the Church. Are you of the world or of the Church that's the question.

1 John 2:3-5
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar,
and the truth is not in him.

But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

"Now, let’s talk about the word “keep.” It stresses the idea of observant, watchful obedience. Actually, the word can mean to guard, the idea of guarding His commandments. It’s not just the idea that you obey in the most marginal way - just, you know, barely above the line beyond disobedience. It’s not some desire not to sin, to avoid sin, and so you do this. But, rather, it is this positive attitude toward guarding the commandments, observing that obedience because you revere the commandments. In fact, the Greek scholar, Alford, says in his lexicon the word means to guard or watch or keep as in the case of some precious thing. That’s important.

It’s in the present subjunctive, which means it’s continual. There’s a continual sense in which you exercise a guardianship of the commandments because you consider them precious. It’s the habitual moment-by-moment, day-by-day safeguarding of the Word and, therefore, it’s an attitude of the spirit rather than an act of letter or law. And by the way, the word commandments here is not nomos, it’s not the word for law, it’s entolē, which is a word looking at an order or an assignment or a precept or a command."

The battle of patriarchal Vs matriarchal dominance in religion is an ancient and thoroughly pagan feature.
All you are doing is indulging your pride by thinking you have the Bible to back you up in winning a battle of the flesh.
You have a fear that if you do not dominate you will be dominated. It isn't a job of the church to keep the contention going.

Jesus preached unity in his body.
 

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Any woman can fully serve the Lord. She does not need to acquire the role of pastor. The Bible clearly says that a woman should not take such a position.
You are correct, and I support your view. The thing is that the timespirit teaches opposit. And the most denominations/churches today left the truth. Man and woman are in there worth equal in front of our heavenly father. But there responsibilities are different given to both of us from Him.
Misuse from authority against woman made it easy that woman are fed up with it. (What is understandable) And again Satan says to the woman: Should God really have said?.......
 

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The battle of patriarchal Vs matriarchal dominance in religion is an ancient and thoroughly pagan feature.
All you are doing is indulging your pride by thinking you have the Bible to back you up in winning a battle of the flesh.
You have a fear that if you do not dominate you will be dominated. It isn't a job of the church to keep the contention going.

Jesus preached unity in his body.
There is no m vs f in the Bible. Just the natural order as ordained by God Himself. It is when we attempt to overturn this natural order that disharmony reigns. There can be no unity unless Gods order is observed, as is glaringly apparent in this thread.
 

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You are correct, and I support your view. The thing is that the timespirit teaches opposit. And the most denominations/churches today left the truth. Man and woman are in there worth equal in front of our heavenly father. But there responsibilities are different given to both of us from Him.
Misuse from authority against woman made it easy that woman are fed up with it. (What is understandable) And again Satan says to the woman: Should God really have said?.......
Ungodly subjection of women is not what is being questioned here. That is a different matter entirely.
 

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Ungodly subjection of women is not what is being questioned here. That is a different matter entirely.
This is not my point.
But many people I know, taking this reason to fight against Gods word. Regarding the role of Man and woman which is given from God.
 

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This is not my point.
But many people I know, taking this reason to fight against Gods word. Regarding the role of Man and woman which is given from God.
Yes ok. We are in agreement. I myself am a woman. And I have of course experienced gross ungodly mistreatment at the hands of men from both outside and inside the church. I expect it from the world, but it should not ever happen within the church. But placing a woman in the pulpit is not going to rectify this situation. Women who argue for their 'rights' to be ordained are just as grievous as men who mistreat women, as both behaviours are rebelling against God and His Word.
 

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You would not be the only one who thinks that Jesus Christ is the "oppressor"....
IMO the modern-day liberal "woke" Church is in outright rebellion. As a result judgment is coming upon America........as everyone who has eyes to see with can see.

Tell us truthfully are you a Biden-Harris supporter too? BLM supporter?

Psalm 2
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Wearing pink hats and running around the Capitol building, and you ask are they Biden/Harris supporters :giggle:
 

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The battle of patriarchal Vs matriarchal dominance in religion is an ancient and thoroughly pagan feature.
All you are doing is indulging your pride by thinking you have the Bible to back you up in winning a battle of the flesh.
You have a fear that if you do not dominate you will be dominated. It isn't a job of the church to keep the contention going.


Jesus preached unity in his body.
I was looking for Scriptures. What you're saying amounts to little more than fleshly carnal desire, pride and useless philosophy. Ultimately the Scriptural case for male only pastors is indisputable.
 

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It is Easter. Christian's should be celebrating our risen Lord, and meditating upon His sacrifice for us. Not bickering. It must break His heart. He died on the cross for us and this is how we thank Him ??
The bible dosent teach to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ, it's a pagan tradition of fertility that predates the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ, surrounding the spring vernal equinox and full moon, easter bunnies and eggs "fertility"

Back to the topic of (Are Women Pastors Biblical)
 

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I have explained my position on this matter. Your interpretation of this passage stands on a non sequitur. You either understand that, or you do not.
I know. And now we are examining the validity of that position by exegeting the passage. I am now asking you to tell me the meaning of a single word in this passage ("for"). You have claimed:
I am well aware of what "for" means.
Yet you will not tell me what "for" means contextually. You will not admit the meaning of this word in context because it is consistent with Paul's other arguments that link authority to origination, thus destroying your position. I am aware that you think it is a non sequiter. But you have put words in my mouth. I have not said what you are calling a non sequiter. I am only appealing to the words that Paul wrote:
"I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man because Adam was formed first..."
you are calling Paul's statement a non sequiter, not mine.
You have to remember my friend, that certain logical fallacies do not apply to the Bible as they do to our own words. I have demonstrated this in these posts:
I am curious if you heed logical "laws" that are established outside of the Bible. For example, "The Appeal to Authority" is a fallacy according to modern logicians. However, this 'fallacy" does not apply when used of God's Word. If I were to say "Daniel was a literal prophet who served in the courts of Babylon in the late 500's BC"...some scholars may say that it was written after the events of Daniel and that it was not truly a prophetical book, and that I have no proof. I could merely respond with "Jesus said Daniel was a prophet". Although I am committing a logical fallacy, I am correct.

This demonstrates that there are logical "fallacies" that do not apply to Biblical doctrine.
Some examples such as "the law of non-contradiction" is established in the Bible...which means God affirms the use of that logical law.

Keep those in mind when you say something is "illogical". In short, mere men have labeled some trends of thought as "illogical", when in reality, the Bible says otherwise. When it comes to biblical doctrine, I only apply the logic that the Bible demonstrates.
You make a cogent point. However, an appeal to authority is only fallacious if the authority is irrelevant to the subject. Among Christians (or at least those participating in a Christian discussion site) an appeal to the authority of Scripture is perfectly relevant and therefore not fallacious.
So we both agree on this point. I am saying that we do not need to interpret anything Paul said in 1 Tim 2:12-14. He meant exactly what he said.

I appeal to Paul's authority as an apostle of the Lord, inspired by the Holy Spirit, giving us "the commandment of the Lord".

Come back when you have real evidence for your "unconfirmed suspicion" and are able to contextually explain what "for" means.
 

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I would have agreed with every word in this text and given it the thumbs up. However, you brought politics into it. Imo it is never right to bring political judgement into church. It is Gods kingdom, not the worlds.
I agree. In fact that was one of the points I was making in this post. Many many Churches today are supporting BLM and other "woke" social justice causes. A very bad idea. Contrarily, Scripture says we are not to engage in a spiritual pursuit with unbelievers. The occult nature of BLM is extremely well known. The Church engaging promoting them is anathema.
Nevertheless any of these people may in fact repent, turn from their wicked way, and join the Church. They are the mission field.

2Co 6:14
2Co 6:15
2Co 6:16
 

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Yes ok. We are in agreement. I myself am a woman. And I have of course experienced gross ungodly mistreatment at the hands of men from both outside and inside the church. I expect it from the world, but it should not ever happen within the church. But placing a woman in the pulpit is not going to rectify this situation. Women who argue for their 'rights' to be ordained are just as grievous as men who mistreat women, as both behaviours are rebelling against God and His Word.
I must follow up by saying that I have also experienced gross ungodly treatment at the hands of women both inside and outside of the church. We must quietly bear the offences, and pray for our enemies, not argue with them.
 

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It is Easter. Christian's should be celebrating our risen Lord, and meditating upon His sacrifice for us. Not bickering. It must break His heart. He died on the cross for us and this is how we thank Him ??
2 Tim 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

1 Pet 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man who asketh you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.
 

Truth7t7

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the gifts of thw Holy Spirit and the Gifts of Christ are both for men and women? If they are then where are they to use them? Why is it seen as preaching as asserting authority over a man when the words a woman is saying are not her own but from a man from God? If it is the title one is the concern with then don't call her Pastor. Yet God does use women to teach men and has always used them. That is clearly in the Word of God.
Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

2 Timothy 3:-3-5KJV
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
 

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The bible dosent teach to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ, it's a pagan tradition of fertility that predates the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ, surrounding the spring vernal equinox and full moon, easter bunnies and eggs "fertility"

Back to the topic of (Are Women Pastors Biblical)
Ok. I shall revise my statement. EVERY day we should be meditation upon the sacrifice of Jesus. And no women should not be pastors.
 

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Is anyone willing to answer me this? In all honesty, can you see an end to this 'disagreement' and a satisfactory and harmonious result from it ? I certainly cant. Why is that ?
 

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This argument will never be resolved without Gods intervention because it is rebellion. It has caused me distress and tears. I shan't be engaging in it any further. I am happy with my church and my male pastor. Amen.