How to be Born Again
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You obviously have no idea what regeneration is. Regeneration occurs when God's Holy Spirit fixes your heart by filling your heart with the same love shared by the Father and Son, makes us part of the body of Christ, makes us one with the Father and Son, and we become the Father's adopted children. We are either in the flesh or in the Spirit, regenerate or unregenerate, saved or unsaved. I notice that many people on CC have a head knowledge of salvation but judging from their responses, are clearly not filled with the Holy Spirit of God. These are people who try to intimidate new members by threatening banning, calling them Calvinist, trying to appear that they have understanding but are lacking in one of the main ingredients for salvation and that is the gift of the Holy Spirit which brings understanding.
Umm, you have just gone too far in your definition of "believing" into something "coming". You have what the Bible says when it included the word "and", hence what Jesus is saying was that only who will "believes" will come. The action of coming is caused by believing and not the way around nor it saying an even or the same, rather "faith comes by the hearing and hearing of the word God" Romans 10:17.
And this is incorrect (and actually not the topic either) since unbelievers are condemned for their sin and unbelief and not because of God. I think we agree here. But once you understand that the lost state of lost men are in and by itself a condemned state, this will clear up things.
Guess what? I believe exactly what it says, whosoever believes - believes. But I do not insert into that "act of believing" a natural ability in natural man of "choosing" to believe. I believe what it says in Eph.2 of the state of lost men.
Yes, the Spirit convicts and then transform the sinner into a righteous man (Rom.4:5, 8:13-14). This work I attest to God alone, without the help or co-work of the sinner.
Notice what the Spirit works:
John 16
[8] And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[9] Of sin, because they believe not on me;
[10] Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
[11] Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
So, the sinning world does NOT believe in Jesus. This is exactly what the very Spirit of God reproves the world of. The very same world that cannot also receive the Spirit (John 14:17). This means that this (the justification of the ungodly) is a translation from death to life in which God is the sole acting part.
Like already said, the Spirit does its monergistic work in converting sinners. To not understand all is another thing altogether, someone can believe and be saved without understanding everything of God's word. How was it with those that left? We do not know for sure. But Peter being chosen, also to such a high office, we do know about.
It's not that you have put up a lot of harmonizing scripture (if any) to explain your point. I see no temporal distinction between justification and regeneration, while a "logical sequence" would have them in said order. Yet let alone do I see that they are caused and conditioned upon what a spiritually dead man does.
There is no difference between a spiritual man's birth than a birth of the flesh. You just don't ask your parents as unborn to be born first and thereby cause your own birth. So, this can be foolishness for you, maybe. I will yet go with what scripture says and not what "makes sense" or is taken for granted to men.
Up to you how you see it. It's your "choice", eh.
But, yes, we have talked about this topic quiet a few times before. Yes, we have.
Guess what? I believe exactly what it says, whosoever believes - believes. But I do not insert into that "act of believing" a natural ability in natural man of "choosing" to believe. I believe what it says in Eph.2 of the state of lost men.
Yes, the Spirit convicts and then transform the sinner into a righteous man (Rom.4:5, 8:13-14). This work I attest to God alone, without the help or co-work of the sinner.
Notice what the Spirit works:
John 16
[8] And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[9] Of sin, because they believe not on me;
[10] Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
[11] Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
So, the sinning world does NOT believe in Jesus. This is exactly what the very Spirit of God reproves the world of. The very same world that cannot also receive the Spirit (John 14:17). This means that this (the justification of the ungodly) is a translation from death to life in which God is the sole acting part.
Like already said, the Spirit does its monergistic work in converting sinners. To not understand all is another thing altogether, someone can believe and be saved without understanding everything of God's word. How was it with those that left? We do not know for sure. But Peter being chosen, also to such a high office, we do know about.
It's not that you have put up a lot of harmonizing scripture (if any) to explain your point. I see no temporal distinction between justification and regeneration, while a "logical sequence" would have them in said order. Yet let alone do I see that they are caused and conditioned upon what a spiritually dead man does.
There is no difference between a spiritual man's birth than a birth of the flesh. You just don't ask your parents as unborn to be born first and thereby cause your own birth. So, this can be foolishness for you, maybe. I will yet go with what scripture says and not what "makes sense" or is taken for granted to men.
Up to you how you see it. It's your "choice", eh.
But, yes, we have talked about this topic quiet a few times before. Yes, we have.-
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