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fredoheaven

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brightfame52 said:
Coming and believing are the same, coming to Christ or believing in Christ, and man cannot do it In 6:44,65
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Good opinion but trying to redefine words to suit your system seems impossible. Basically, the Bible says otherwise, in fact, Paul says to the Philippian Jailor to believing in Christ Acts 16:31. As said "coming" is a different one and without any English Dictionaries/Authorities to back up the claim and believing is rather "receiving".
 
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brightfame52

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fredoheaven said:
Good opinion but trying to redefine words to suit your system seems impossible. Basically, the Bible says otherwise, in fact, Paul says to the Philippian Jailor to believing in Christ Acts 16:31. As said "coming" is a different one and without any English Dictionaries/Authorities to back up the claim and believing is rather "receiving".
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Its right there in plain scripture, man cannot come to Christ Jn 6:44,65
 
fredoheaven

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brightfame52 said:
Thats your opinion, however those are Jesus words !
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I believe those are Jesus' words but your definition is yours. You can't even demonstrate to me biblically your own definition, not only that you are against the Dictionary, how's that?:)
 
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fredoheaven said:
I believe those are Jesus' words but your definition is yours. You can't even demonstrate to me biblically your own definition, not only that you are against the Dictionary, how's that?:)
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Im witnessing to Jesus words. No man can come to Christ, which means believe in Christ.
 
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fredoheaven said:
I believe those are Jesus' words but your definition is yours. You can't even demonstrate to me biblically your own definition, not only that you are against the Dictionary, how's that?:)
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I have already shown from scripture that coming to Christ is the same as believing in Him. If you would have been paying attention you would have seen that.
 
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fredoheaven said:
Let's see who is going to an opinion.

John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Beleive means(even= equal) receive. Perhaps you want more but if can't give any counterpoint on this, You have none. I mean yours will only be a sorta vain jangling...
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How about a more contextual reading, with reading what the very next verse says:

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[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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Here it says clearly that it was God's will and work that they were born. Not man's will or work. How do you reconcile and harmonize this scripture with your doctrine?
 
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tribesman said:
How about a more contextual reading, with reading what the very next verse says:

Here it says clearly that it was God's will and work that they were born. Not man's will or work. How do you reconcile and harmonize this scripture with your doctrine?
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Thanks, but that is not my point. Just giving the very definition of "believe" that is to "receive". 1 Cor. 15:1-4
 
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tribesman said:
How about a more contextual reading, with reading what the very next verse says:

Here it says clearly that it was God's will and work that they were born. Not man's will or work. How do you reconcile and harmonize this scripture with your doctrine?
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And btw, believing is never seen as work. That 'will of the flesh' is a metaphoric phrase, how Christ is born(physically) and to be born spiritually is to be born again by the Spirit of God by responding to the Gospel. God bless
 
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fredoheaven said:
And btw, believing is never seen as work. That 'will of the flesh' is a metaphoric phrase, how Christ is born(physically) and to be born spiritually is to be born again by the Spirit of God by responding to the Gospel. God bless
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Oh, there it is - "by responding to the gospel", which (I guess) you mean is done by natural man using some natural "ability" to "surrender to God"? The old free-willism again seemingly.
 
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fredoheaven said:
Thanks, but that is not my point. Just giving the very definition of "believe" that is to "receive". 1 Cor. 15:1-4
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Which was not caused by man, but God.

This phrase ""believe" ... is to "receive"" is not very common. But there was a certain cult leader who liked to use it.
 
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tribesman said:
Oh, there it is - "by responding to the gospel", which (I guess) you mean is done by natural man using some natural "ability" to "surrender to God"? The old free-willism again seemingly.
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Umm, not really because the Bible says it and not old free-willism. I John 5:1, 9-10
 
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tribesman said:
Which was not caused by man, but God.

This phrase ""believe" ... is to "receive"" is not very common. But there was a certain cult leader who liked to use it.
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Well, the Bible says it.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
You keep missing the point. The verses say NOTHING about salvation.

Can you understand this?

The verses don't HAVE TO say nothing about salvation. Because they AREN'T about salvation. They are about being chosen or elected for service.
brightfame52 said:
You missing the point, that you don't have a point.
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Oh, I do have a point. And I explained it very clearly. The fact that you don't get the point doesn't mean I don't have one.

Your comment about the verses I quoted only proves how much you do not get or understand.

All the verses indicated that election was about service. None of them were about salvation.

This isn't hard to understand.

What is hard to do is let go of ideas that the Bible doesn't teach.

If you still believe that election is to salvation, then just quote the ones that teach that.

Surely you must have some, if they exist, right?

So, let's see them. If you have any.
 
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