Warning to Christians: Totally Refuse COVID Vaccines

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TheIndianGirl

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Vaccines were not created in an ethical way, but you have to weigh that against infecting someone with COVID and that person becomes severely ill or dies. That would be on my conscience if I gave COVID to an old lady on the bus. COVID vaccines do reduce transmission; the viral load is less.
 
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You can absolutely be an asymptomatic carrier of a virus that can infect people with no immunity. Hence why a vaccine isnt the same thing as a cure. Hence why the flu vaccine doesn't get rid of the flu. The covid-19 vaccine is the same song and dance as the flu vaccine.

People can't 100% prevent the spread of germs. A risk everyone accepts is that they can possibly get sick or die from an illness.
 
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Um, I was talking about blood clots associated with the J&J vaccine, and their tremendously low incidence rate. You asked me how I got those numbers. I showed you the math.... And now you are changing the subject?
You must be a special kind of person to misrepresent a thread that everyone can read.

Then you put links to a set of unverified data with disclaimers all over it saying it's probably neither trustworthy nor complete.
Good data always contains a measurable uncertainty in the data and names sources of experimental or procedural error. Does your unnamed source do this? Let people see all of the data and make decisions for themselves.
 

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Im not gonna get any of these vaccines. And im trying to stay away from vaccinated people. Let em keep their spike proteins for themselves. Cant totally avoid em but can reduce the risk.
Here theyre working on a law to force people to be vaccinated. (Germany)
fair enough to not get the jab but don't understand why you would avoid those who have had it?
 

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Whem talking about mortality rates..remember that the mortality rate of the seasonal flu is higher than covid once ur 60+ and have some underlying health problems. Just sayin.

So you would .avoid your brothers and sisters in Christ who have had the vaccines? Why?. How does their choice affect.you personally?
 

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The propaganda here is no different than anywhere else which tells you humanity is inundated with the lies.

As for me and my house we shall serve the Lord.
I am vaccinated and I will continue to serve the lord. A vaccine does not change our status as a child of God
 

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So you would .avoid your brothers and sisters in Christ who have had the vaccines? Why?. How does their choice affect.you personally?
In my opinion, I think that would be taking it too far. I'm not planning on getting vaccinated. My mother who is a Christian did get vaccinated. So I'm definitely not going to avoid her or anyone else who did.

Like you, I can't see any reason anyone would do so.
 

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fair enough to not get the jab but don't understand why you would avoid those who have had it?
Because I dont want to get sick from them as people who have close contact with those vaccinated also get side effects due to the spike proteins.
 

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Because I dont want to get sick from them as people who have close contact with those vaccinated also get side effects due to the spike proteins.
Ah, I see. Yes I hadn't considered that.

what do these spike proteins do?

sorry if that a daft question. I had a vaccine from the UK that didn't have anything in it except for the virus. Didn't have mrna.
 

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Ah, I see. Yes I hadn't considered that.

what do these spike proteins do?

sorry if that a daft question. I had a vaccine from the UK that didn't have anything in it except for the virus. Didn't have mrna.
Basically you get the same side effects as the one with the vaccine. You can get hormonal issues, inflammations etc. And then your body starts producing them too and then more and more can get sick. Theres been more and more cases of woman who were in menopause getting their period again after having close contact with vaccinated people. Mens sperm count going down, blood clots etc. I do t trust this. So i keep people away or only meet em outside in the fresh air.
 

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Basically you get the same side effects as the one with the vaccine. You can get hormonal issues, inflammations etc. And then your body starts producing them too and then more and more can get sick. Theres been more and more cases of woman who were in menopause getting their period again after having close contact with vaccinated people. Mens sperm count going down, blood clots etc. I do t trust this. So i keep people away or only meet em outside in the fresh air.
Wow! I had no idea hormone issues could be contagious
 

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Vaccines were not created in an ethical way, but you have to weigh that against infecting someone with COVID and that person becomes severely ill or dies. That would be on my conscience if I gave COVID to an old lady on the bus. COVID vaccines do reduce transmission; the viral load is less.
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Am against abortion in most cases but I can't say I would put the life of someone who was murdered years ago above that of my own or my loved ones
 

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10,000+ deaths after COVID shots reported by U.S., European agencies

More than 7,000 deaths have occurred in Europe, and more than 200,000 injuries worldwide have been reported.

April 14, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) -- More than 10,000 people have died shortly after COVID-19 vaccination since December, American and European authorities have revealed. The deaths include more than 7,100 in Europe, according to the European Medicines Agency (EMA), and 3,005 reported by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC).

As of Tuesday, EudraVigilance, the EMA’s database of suspected drug reaction reports, noted that 4,036 “fatal outcomes” after vaccination with Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot, as well as 1,922 and 1,234 deaths after administration of vaccines made by Moderna and AstraZeneca, respectively.

EudraVigilance also reported 20 deaths from the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Johnson & Johnson. The database has disclosed more than 200,000 injuries possibly linked to the four vaccines, with tens of thousands of cases deemed “serious.”

The U.S. government likewise has reported 3,005 deaths and more than 56,869 adverse events after coronavirus vaccinations as of April 12. Vaccine injuries in the United States are tracked by VAERS, a surveillance system overseen by the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS may only catch around one percent of all vaccine-related injuries, according to a 2010 government study, and has been sharply criticized for accessibility problems.

Among the suspected COVID-19 vaccine adverse events reports that VAERS has published, 42 percent of deaths occurred in people who fell ill within 48 hours of getting their shot. VAERS has reported thousands of other debilitating outcomes, like 620 instances of Bell’s Palsy and 110 post-vaccination miscarriages. The British government has warned against taking COVID-19 vaccines while pregnant.

The global coronavirus vaccine rollout has been dogged by numerous reports of suspicious deaths, as in Europe, where dozens of nursing home deaths prompted Chinese health experts to call for a halt in vaccinations earlier this year.

“Vaccination campaigns are apparently often carried out in nursing homes without making sure beforehand that the person affected has not already contracted an infection with which their weakened immune system has already had enough,” Dr. Frank Gunter, a German medical expert, said in response to a slew of recent deaths at a residential care facility in Germany weeks after a vaccination drive. Dr. Gunter called the deaths “not surprising” and pointed to the vaccines’ “insufficiently researched, long-term consequences.”

Similar incidents have been reported in the United States, like that of an otherwise healthy obstetrician who died of a rare blood disorder within three weeks of receiving a second dose of the Pfizer jab. The FDA and the EMA have since linked multiple coronavirus vaccines to life-threatening blood clot issues.

COVID-19 vaccines are known for disturbingly high side effect rates in general. According the FDA’s assessment of the Pfizer shot, more than 55 percent of trial participants who took the vaccine developed a headache within seven days of vaccination, and 45 percent said that they ended up needing fever or pain medication.

“I have never seen such a high frequency of adverse events for a vaccine,” Parisian infectious disease specialist Prof. Eric Caumes reacted in an interview last year. “No, really, that’s much too much, perhaps there’s a problem,” he told Le Parisien.

Both the Pfizer and Moderna jabs rely on the highly novel mRNA vaccine method, which has been flagged for untested risks of inflammatory and auto-immune diseases. “(I)t’s hard to see the side effects of the vaccine,” Dr. Louis Fouché a renowned French anesthetist, told LifeSite in December. “Often you are told within three months the case is closed. This is not true. Most important side effects occur much later.”

Every major COVID-19 vaccine has been tested on or produced with aborted babies’ cells and none of the vaccines have yet been proved to stop viral transmission, as the disgraced World Health Organization announced last week.

Virtually all healthy people who contract coronavirus survive, especially with certain treatment regimens. Around 190 million COVID-19 vaccine doses nevertheless have been administered in the United States, in addition to over 100 million in Europe so far.
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Nehemiah, from where you are taking the numbers? In germany we had in end of March 113 dead after vaccine. The everage age was 85 years. And out of 50 of them had all heavy predeseases.
If you get your numbers from VAERS, then these numbers are questionable.
And I can tell you they are not true.
I have alteady finished vaccine with Pfizer.
I work in hospital. And have collegues with covid 19 infection whitch got several sick.

If you would vaccine this number of people with vaccine against Black pocks , what you think how many would die and have side effects? Of course vaccine against covid 19 is New. But i tell you, to get Covid is more worse

Imagine the Germans of all people forcing people to take experimental injections!
PennEd, you make to much Panic. Through the new Mutant which we have now, are most younger people infectet.
You then would led them die?
I cant understand special among Christians such a fear before this vaccine. Our life anyway is in our fathers hand. To get Covid is multiple much worse. You then would prefer Covid?
We have to recognize that our World will not be as it was. Yes and it can be that we need in Future a yearly vaccine. Yes and it can be that we need another vaccine because of the Mutation. Thats nobody knows.
Maby you should talk to people who overlived an covidinfection.
The very most will have no problems with the Covid and the vaccine. But we should matter what is with the people with other deseases. Again, yes for a small number are the sideeffects bad. But an infection with Covid will be more worse for them.
In Germany lays the deathrate after vaccine under the expectet Statistic rate.
To make fear and panic against the vaccine i cant understand. Against an Covidinfection i can understand.
 

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To make fear and panic against the vaccine i cant understand.
That is because you are not investigating the matter from unbiased scientific sources. Deaths from the vaccines have been much higher proportionately than deaths from flu. Think about that. When the cure is much worse than the disease, then the cure should be banned.

And these are NOT vaccines. No one has isolated coronavirus in the lab following proper isolation protocol. And you cannot have a vaccine without the actual virus!
 

Aidan1

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Theyre already doing it piece by piece. They force the elderly in homes and people out of differeng job branches already
Well, the vaccine of the people over 80 in the homes is finnished. And it is to see thst the infection rate under this age group is going down. Instead we have now younger people, even in the 20s and younger in the hospitals.

What i am shocked about is that even Christians believing conspery theorys and fighting against the rules from the goverment. Yes, goverment is not perfect, but better then an goverment like in brasil which ignore the Covid and have now the fruits of it, inklusive the resoursses for to buil New Mutant of the Virus.
If this Virus would be more deadly as it is for the very most of people, then those who are deny his danger and make an hysterical move against the vaccinr would probibly change their mind.
 

Aidan1

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European Medicines Agency (EMA) is publishing its own numbers and they are very serious. And that is where those numbers have come from.

Here are the latest numbers:

Euro Data: 7,766 DEAD 330,218 Injured In Reaction To COVID-19 Jabs
https://principia-scientific.com/euro-data-7766-dead-330218-injured-in-reaction-to-covid-19-jabs/
So you belive PSI? This is a very questinable source for Real numbers.
Maby you can read Media Bias Fact Check and decide then whom you trust. I dont know to bring in the link, but you can Google it.
 

Aidan1

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That is because you are not investigating the matter from unbiased scientific sources. Deaths from the vaccines have been much higher proportionately than deaths from flu. Think about that. When the cure is much worse than the disease, then the cure should be banned.

And these are NOT vaccines. No one has isolated coronavirus in the lab following proper isolation protocol. And you cannot have a vaccine without the actual virus!
I suppose you are missleadet in this matter.
 

Aidan1

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Im not gonna get any of these vaccines. And im trying to stay away from vaccinated people. Let em keep their spike proteins for themselves. Cant totally avoid em but can reduce the risk.
Here theyre working on a law to force people to be vaccinated. (Germany)
Demi, can it be that you are totally disinformed? We are no Diktatur. There will come now law, solong the majority of people is not in danger. We made a law for to vaccine against masern, thats right.
For what you fear the vaccine? Is it Poison?
 
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