50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

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Truth7t7

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Quick question for you: Do you even understand what you're posting? I mean it's either a word salad or an abstract cubist painting of Scriptures.
The word salad is, falsely teaching there will be future animal sacrifice for sin, instructed and blessed by God

Falsely teaching there are two peoples of God, Jew/Church (Dual Covenant Theology) a false teaching

Throw on it a pre-trib rapture found no place in scripture

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Since Paul taught that the rapture would come JUST before the DAY, as in being the trigger for the Day, you can forget Rev. 4:1 and just believe the rapture will be "just" before the 6th seal. That fits with John because he saw the raptured church in heaven in the next chapter.

The signs in Matthew 24 are the signs of His coming to Armageddon - and the sign is TOTAL DARKNESS! The sun and moon will not be seen. On the other hand, the signs at the 6th seal are both SEEN. How would one know the moon is red unless they SEE IT. This sign is speaking of total eclipses and it is the sign of the coming Day of the Lord. TWO different signs, for TWO different purposes.

You forget, the JEWS believe the DAY beings at sunset.
 

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Pretrib rapture? What makes any of you think you deserve an escape from great tribulation? Because you're born again? Because of your privileged western life? Peter was born again, as was Paul; one was crucified upside down the other beheaded. Born again believers (brothers and sisters that make up the bride of Christ) from the 1st century to this very day are going through great tribulation. Look around and see what out brothers and sisters are enduring in Africa, China, the middle east, etc. The western Christian thinks they deserve to escape the guillotine or the noose or the burning alive simply because... Oh, yeah, 50 reasons. Don't be deceived by that which is pleasing to the ears. Careful or you'll take the mark of the beast; your mind is filled with a false hope that you'll be secretly raptured before the antichrist even shows up.

Filthy sinners all (self included). Many will be tried and many will be faithful through their trials. The way to life is narrow, and the gate strait. Can you imagine the pain and suffering our Christian brothers and sisters have endured and are enduring as you read this; their reward is great. Comfort one another with that: ready yourself to endure for the reward is great.
No one "deserves" anything but hell because we all sin. But the truth is, Jesus PAID for our sin and freely offers an escape from the days of GT coming. I am going to take the escape. I would advice you to also.

Of course, if you just WANT to stay behind and be forced to lose your head, I think God gives us our desires, But again, WHY?
 
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Pretrib rapture? What makes any of you think you deserve an escape from great tribulation? Because you're born again? Because of your privileged western life? Peter was born again, as was Paul; one was crucified upside down the other beheaded. Born again believers (brothers and sisters that make up the bride of Christ) from the 1st century to this very day are going through great tribulation. Look around and see what out brothers and sisters are enduring in Africa, China, the middle east, etc. The western Christian thinks they deserve to escape the guillotine or the noose or the burning alive simply because... Oh, yeah, 50 reasons. Don't be deceived by that which is pleasing to the ears. Careful or you'll take the mark of the beast; your mind is filled with a false hope that you'll be secretly raptured before the antichrist even shows up.

Filthy sinners all (self included). Many will be tried and many will be faithful through their trials. The way to life is narrow, and the gate strait. Can you imagine the pain and suffering our Christian brothers and sisters have endured and are enduring as you read this; their reward is great. Comfort one another with that: ready yourself to endure for the reward is great.
Mat 25
Vivid vivid picture of the rapture.

The ones on fire for God go with the groom ( the rapture) as the bride is gathered.

The foolish stay and like you say face the ac and are all martyred.

So actually we choose which one we will be a part of.

Jesus said " pray that you will be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come upon the earth..."

Do you obey that command?
 

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No one "deserves" anything but hell because we all sin. But the truth is, Jesus PAID for our sin and freely offers an escape from the days of GT coming. I am going to take the escape. I would advice you to also.

Of course, if you just WANT to stay behind and be forced to lose your head, I think God gives us our desires, But again, WHY?
No Need For The Great Escape That's Not Gonna Happen, Tribulation Will Be On The Wicked World

The tribulation is going to be a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, as the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation 11 bring all plagues upon the wicked world, and the (Sealed) Church is protected (Fact) :)

All Saved Believers Are Sealed By God, Ephesians 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

As is clearly seen below, only those men that don't have the seal of God will be tormented for 5 months, desiring to die and death flees

(It's Commanded)

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

God's in control of the tribulation, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt plus some, Revelation 16:1-11 Same Plagues As Egypt, But Upon The Antichrist!

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 

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Jesus said " pray that you will be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come upon the earth..."

Do you obey that command?
The Church On Earth During The Tribulation Will Obey The Command, They Will Enter Their Dwelling Until The Indignation Is Past, Just Like The Passover In Egypt :)

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
 
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You disregard the very simple scripture presented, I'm not going to play the childish games, my explanation is very clear, (One Day Is A Thousand Years) Be Not Ignorant
lol. You tell me that I "disregard simple Scripture", yet you make up whatever you want by spiritualizing what IS so very clear.

It's you who denies the simple truth before your eyes
The simple truth is that Rev 20 is literal. Jesus really IS the King of kings and Lord of lords, regardless of what you fantasize. And He really WILL "rule the nations with a rod of iron".

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?
Simply read Rev 20 with an open heart and eyes. And understand it literally. Quit making stuff up.

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)
Your opinion is just a fantasy.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Again, I asked you to explain your spiritualized opinion of "1,000 years be fulfilled" and "1,000 years were finished".

But of course you can't seem to figure out what to make up to explain that, huh.

But, of course the 1,000 years are literal and will have an end to them. Duh. Everyone knows that.
 

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Jewish Time, Big Smiles :giggle:

It's all About Jesus Time, Sin, Repentance, And Salvation Time

Your Promotion Of (Dual Covenant Theology), Jew/Church Is A False Teaching In Dispensationalism
No no no you got that all wrong. I didn't say dual covenant theology. I said QUADRUPLE covenant theology. And very possibly QUINTUPLE covenant theology, as I am not convinced that the Levitical covenant has been nullified.

Here I will spell it out for you:
1) Abrahamic covenant
2) "Palestinian" covenant aka the Land covenant
3) Levitical covenant
4) Davidic covenant
5) the New covenant

These covenants are ALL perpetual, for example:

Jer 33:20-21
“Thus says the LORD: ‘If you can break My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night, so that there will not be day and night in their season,
‘then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and with the Levites, the priests, My ministers.

There are of course hundreds and hundreds of similar Scriptures, so don't limit yourself.

You see the New Covenant ENABLES, the complete (and eternal!) fulfillment of the previous four, as Jeremiah clearly points out for us...

Jer 31:33
“But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of ISRAEL after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Evidentially you support Replacement Theology aka "kicking Israel to the curb". Which is probably the biggest mistake any supposed Christian could possibly make. Replacement theology is the natural offspring of amillennialism by the way. Of course I utterly repudiate both of these.
 

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The Church On Earth During The Tribulation Will Obey The Command, They Will Enter Their Dwelling Until The Indignation Is Past, Just Like The Passover In Egypt:)

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
WOW you can't get much more wrong than that...! As the book of Revelation makes absolutely clear it is those who ARE obedient that suffer persecution and slaughter. These are the redeemed and do not suffer Gods eternal judgment......this is true. But they ARE persecuted and slaughtered for their righteous testimony.

Rev 13:7
It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Rev 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
 

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Matthew 24:21-29 (KJV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
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For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


I have always said, the Rapture Takes place between REV. 4:1 and REV. 6:14. I will AMMEND that to no later than REV. 6:12, when the moon is darking to the point of it is only visible as blood red.

Revelation 6:12 (KJV)
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

NOTICE: The verse you referred to, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be, is two verses Before the Moon GIVES NO LIGHT.

Within the realm of Posiblity is anything between Rev. 4:1 and Rev. 6:12, because the Moon is giving off some Light in Rev. 6:12.

Since the Decision is totally up to the FATHER, HE could say: "ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH; GO GET YOUR BRIDE NOW!"

But since that involves all of PRETRIBULATION, I cannot rule out any of it, HENCE the Reason for Mat 25:13, even though I doubt it will be before Rev. 4:1.
That day will not come unless there has first come the rebellion
second, the man of rebellion is revealed
third the man of sin opposes everything god so called and everything that is worshipped as god
fourth the man of sin is seated in the temple proclaiming that he is himself God

whom the Lord will slay at His appearance.

When the man of sin sets himself to oppose everything god so called this will be the great persecution of the end times Jesus warns us of, the great tribulation.

It happens before the Lord returns and it ends at the Lord's return.
 

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Your's is a theory, just not what is written. Follow the script! The great crowd too large to number is in heaven in chapter 7. (The just raptured church) The beast is revealed and rises to power in chapter 13. After him the False Prophet shows up. Together they get an image and mark created.

Chapter 14 God warns people not to take the mark, showing us the mark is not yet being enforced.
Chapter 15 the martyrs of the Beast begin showing up in heaven, showing us the Days of GT have already started, late in chapter 14.
Chapter 16 are the vials poured out - to shorten those days of GT.
Chapters 17 and 18 show us the destruction of Jerusalem.
Chapter 19 is the marriage and supper in heaven. Then Christ's return to Armageddon

Then, NOT SHOWN to John so not written by John: Jesus sends out angels to gather together of Jews and Hebrews from heaven and earth. He has promised to do this.

Then Rev. 20: the start of the 1000 year reign of Christ.

This is the written order of things. Any other order is error, plain and simple.
Paul writing to the Thessalonians tells them exactly who is to be gathered and in what order. The dead in Christ will rise first then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the clouds ... these are Gentile christians and Paul is writing to assure them that those who were saved but since have died will not miss the resurrection.
 

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The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
How is the beast to set his mark upon anybody after the rapture? he has been slain in the temple at the coming of the Lord. There is no more beast after 2.Thessalonians. 2.

You mix up tribulation and the great tribulation with God's wrath, they are two different things.

Tribulation comes from the world, "in the world you will have tribulation" and while Paul clearly teaches we are saved from God's wrath yet he warns "through great tribulation must we enter the kingdom of God"

Tribulation is persecution, the great tribulation is the great end times persecution we are warned to expect.
 

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Jewish Time, Big Smiles :giggle:

It's all About Jesus Time, Sin, Repentance, And Salvation Time

Your Promotion Of (Dual Covenant Theology), Jew/Church Is A False Teaching In Dispensationalism
Did you.........(cough cough) "forget" about these Scriptures by any chance?

Luke 1:32-33
“He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
“And He will reign over the house of Jacob FOREVER, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

Luke 23:3
Then Pilate asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?” He answered him and said, It is as you say.”

Question for you: Has any of this come to pass as of yet? Certainly not. But it shall come to pass inevitably......and soon. Very soon now.....
 

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WOW you can't get much more wrong than that...! As the book of Revelation makes absolutely clear it is those who ARE obedient that suffer persecution and slaughter. These are the redeemed and do not suffer Gods eternal judgment......this is true. But they ARE persecuted and slaughtered for their righteous testimony.

Rev 13:7
It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Rev 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
 

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Rev 18:23

23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived.

καὶ G2532 φῶς G5457 λύχνου G3088 οὐ G3756 μὴ G3361 φάνῃ G5316 ἐν G1722 σοὶ G4771 ἔτι G2089 καὶ G2532 φωνὴ G5456 νυμφίου G3566 καὶ G2532 νύμφης G3565 οὐ G3756 μὴ G3361 ἀκουσθῇ G191 ἐν G1722 σοὶ G4771 ἔτι G2089 ὅτι G3754 οἱ G3588 ἔμποροί G1713 σου G4771 ἦσαν G1510 οἱ G3588 μεγιστᾶνες G3175 τῆς G3588 γῆς G1093 ὅτι G3754 ἐν G1722 τῇ G3588 φαρμακείᾳ G5331 σου G4771 ἐπλανήθησαν G4105 πάντα G3956 τὰ G3588 ἔθνη G1484

Interesting to note that this "sorcery" translates as the following:

φαρμακείᾳ
pharmakeia -
  • the use or the administering of drugs
  • poisoning
We are witnessing the sorcery before our eyes - these are part of the birth pangs.

And the merchant is translated as:

ἔμπορος
emporos -
  1. one on a journey, whether by sea or by land, esp. for trade
  2. a merchant as opposed to a retailer or petty tradesman
The merchants are those bringing (importing/exporting) the goods by sea from contry to country and the system that controls the merchants.
 

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How is the beast to set his mark upon anybody after the rapture? he has been slain in the temple at the coming of the Lord. There is no more beast after 2.Thessalonians. 2.

You mix up tribulation and the great tribulation with God's wrath, they are two different things.

Tribulation comes from the world, "in the world you will have tribulation" and while Paul clearly teaches we are saved from God's wrath yet he warns "through great tribulation must we enter the kingdom of God"

Tribulation is persecution, the great tribulation is the great end times persecution we are warned to expect.
There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
 

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The Church On Earth During The Tribulation Will Obey The Command, They Will Enter Their Dwelling Until The Indignation Is Past, Just Like The Passover In Egypt:)
Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
If you read a little further back in this CONTEXT (the wider CONTEXT), you can see that the "MY PEOPLE" of v.20 (which you quoted) speaks of "Israel" ;)
 

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Did you.........(cough cough) "forget" about these Scriptures by any chance?

Luke 1:32-33
“He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
“And He will reign over the house of Jacob FOREVER, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

Luke 23:3
Then Pilate asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?” He answered him and said, It is as you say.”

Question for you: Has any of this come to pass as of yet? Certainly not. But it shall come to pass inevitably......and soon. Very soon now.....
Many suggest that Jesus Christ is going to return to earth, taking a throne of King David?

The scripture below warns believers against this false teaching, and the walk on christ, Jesus Christ wont be found any place upon this earth.

However the (Antichrist/Beast/Man of Sin) will, proclaiming to be Messiah to the Jews, and Jesus Christ returned to the apostate church.

Believe It Not, Go Not Forth!

Matthew 24:24-27KJV
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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Evidentially you support Replacement Theology aka "kicking Israel to the curb". Which is probably the biggest mistake any supposed Christian could possibly make. Replacement theology is the natural offspring of amillennialism by the way. Of course I utterly repudiate both of these.
The one verse that almost all Covenant Theology proponents agree on (amongst themselves), as the basis of their viewpoint (that the "Church"="Israel") is Galatians 6:16... but they neglect to distinguish the two distinct parts of [two distinct items in] the verse:


--"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on [epi] them, and mercy, and upon [epi] the Israel of God."


--"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on [epi] them [ONE ITEM], and mercy [between the two items], and upon [epi] the Israel of God [SECOND of the TWO ITEMS; *THIS* one being, "those of Israel WHO BELIEVED (or even, 'those of Israel who WILL BELIEVE')]."




Again, this is the ONE VERSE that most all Covenant Theology proponents agree on (though misinterpreted)... but there are two or three other verses that varying degrees of CT proponents agree (or disagree) on:

[see the following verses LISTED in article at LINK]

--Romans 9:6

--Rom11:26



(and I would suggest also... another verse commonly "misunderstood" by CT proponents)

--Eph2:12


[see those HERE] The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament [LINK - "How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"]


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Of the 73 times the word "Israel" is used in the NT, every one of them MEANS "Israel".


That is "consistent" interpretation.
 

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The one verse that almost all Covenant Theology proponents agree on (amongst themselves), as the basis of their viewpoint (that the "Church"="Israel") is Galatians 6:16... but they neglect to distinguish the two distinct parts of [two distinct items in] the verse:


--"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on [epi] them, and mercy, and upon [epi] the Israel of God."


--"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on [epi] them [ONE ITEM], and mercy [between the two items], and upon [epi] the Israel of God [SECOND of the TWO ITEMS; *THIS* one being, "those of Israel WHO BELIEVED (or even, 'those of Israel who WILL BELIEVE')]."




Again, this is the ONE VERSE that most all Covenant Theology proponents agree on (though misinterpreted)... but there are two or three other verses that varying degrees of CT proponents agree (or disagree) on:

[see the following verses LISTED in article at LINK]

--Romans 9:6

--Rom11:26



(and I would suggest also... another verse commonly "misunderstood" by CT proponents)

--Eph2:12


The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament [LINK - "How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?"]


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Of the 73 times the word "Israel" is used in the NT, every one of them MEANS "Israel".


That is "consistent" interpretation.
The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

The Children of The Flesh (Ethnic Israel) These Are Not The Children Of God

Two Israel's Are Seen Below

1. Israel, The Church, Children of The Promised Seed

2. Israel, Children of the flesh, ethnic Israel

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Twelve Tribes, The Church Spread Abroad

James 1:1KJV
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.