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"with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33) who gives "POWER" (Acts 1:8) to "QUICKEN" our "DEAD spirits" (Rm 5:12-14) "back to life" (Eph 2:1) His "POWER received to become the sons of God" (John 1:12-13)?

Did you notice Romans 6:23 says THE GIFT is eternal life" and THE GIFT is defined as Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 11:17?
I agree that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is necessary. However, scripture does not convey the false belief that the Spirit baptism replaced water baptism. Both are necessary as witnessed in the word.
 
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You are mixing up a few scriptures.

1. Paul's night vision pertained to Paul being encouraged to speak the gospel regardless of the unbelieving Jews attempts to stop him. (Acts 18:9-12)

2. You then reference Acts 18:25-26. These scriptures record Aquila and Priscilla instructing Apollos the way of God more perfectly. Notice Apollos was only aware of John's water baptism for repentance. We can conclude from the scripture that immediately follows (Acts 19:1-6) that Apollos was told about the need to be water baptized in Jesus' name and the need to receive the Holy Ghost as well.
This is clearly seen in Paul's comments to the Ephesus disciples that had only submitted to John's baptism as well. Paul gave instructions for them to be rebaptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul's comments make it clear that the water baptism John preached was an introduction to what would later require the use of the name of the Lord Jesus Christ upon belief in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Water baptism is one requirement for experiencing the NT spiritual rebirth:

Acts 18:25-19:6
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Acts 19:1-6
And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
No Sir!

Since "one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) ask yourself Who can baptize a man better; A MAN OR GOD (Psalm 18:30)?

1. Grant it, Paul's night vision pertained to Paul being encouraged to speak the gospel regardless of the unbelieving Jews attempts to stop him. (Acts 18:9-12)" but after reading the entire Chapter the conclusion is Paul's "night vision" (Acts 18:9-10) revealed "the way of God more perfectly" (Acts 18:26) for baptism rather than a water baptism (Acts 18:25) the gospel Paul was now to preach.

REMEMBER: Jesus said Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 1:5 but Peter said water in Acts 2:38. Therefore Jesus was "bringing all things to the Church's remembrance whatsoever He told them" (John 14:26). The Church was just being established from WORKING under the law to the Spirit of Christ WORKING which was new to the apostles.

Therefore Jesus "brought all things to Peter's REMEMBRANCE whatsoever He'd said in Acts 1:5 when Peter "was rehearsing the matter" (Acts 11:4) THEN Peter REMEMBERED..." (Acts 11:15-16) and repeated what Jesus said in Acts 1:5 VERBATIM!

Now it was Paul's turn for Jesus to "bring all things to his REMEMBRANCE whatsoever He'd told the Church [Paul wasn't there; Acts 9:15), HENCE Paul's "night vision" (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26) so the Church could be "with one accord" (Acts 1:14) and "there be no divisions among them" (I Corinthians 1:10)!

2. "FORGET NOT" (Hebrews 13:16)!

"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" (Jeremiah 8:8)!

REMEMBER: Paul had JUST HAD a "night vision" (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26) in which Jesus revealed "the way of God more perfectly" for baptism rather than a water baptism (Acts 18:25-26) and since there's only "one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) that Jesus does "with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33; Acts 1:5) Who gives "POWER" to "QUICKEN" (I Corinthians 15:45) our "DEAD spirits" (Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:21-22) "back to life" (Ephesians 2:1) which "One" do you believe is the "one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) since "As for God His way is PERFECT..." (Psalm 18:30)?

"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" (Jeremiah 8:8)!

Why was Paul so anxious to find out "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?" (Acts 19:2) asking "How were you baptized?" (Acts 19:3)

After these already water baptized "John's disciples" (Acts 19:1; 3) told Paul only John's baptism (Acts 18:25; 19:3) then Paul explaining [Paraphrasing] "John's baptism was only one of "repentance" saying unto the people they should "believe Jesus was coming" (Acts 19:4) why would Paul after Jesus having a "night vision" (Acts 18:9-10) in which was revealed "the way of God more perfectly" (Acts 18:26) for baptism rather than a water baptism (Acts 18:25) start water baptizing AGAIN allegedly "FORGETTING GOD" (Psalm 9:17) just gave him a "night vision" (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26) and water baptize these already water baptized John's disciples (Acts 19:1-3) AGAIN which made them "REPENT" AGAIN and BELIEVE JESUS WAS COMING" (Acts 19:4) AGAIN in Acts 19:5 only "in the name of the Lord Jesus?"

"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" (Jeremiah 8:8)!
 
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IT IS WRITTEN!

Therefore NOT a "private interpretation" but from one "moved by the Holy Ghost" (II Peter 1:20-21) to whom GOD commanded Jeremiah 1:10!

No one can "overthrow" (Acts 5:39) Jesus did not give us an illustration of THE WIND in John 3:8 saying "So it is every one born of the Spirit" (John 3:8).

No one can "overthrow" (Acts 5:39) God did not command Ezekiel to "Prophesy to THE WIND to blow upon those slain that they might live" (Ezekiel 37:9).

No one can "overthrow" (Acts 5:39) Jesus promised He would fulfill Ezekiel's prophecy (Matthew 5:17-18).

No one can "overthrow (Acts 5:39) Jesus fulfilled Ezekiel's prophecy on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:2-4).

"But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God" (Acts 5:39)!
It's written alright but you are misapplying and misinterpreting.
And creating contradictions.
 

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Did you notice Hebrews 9:22 says "Without blood there is no remission" but Acts 2:38 alleges water baptism remits sins?

Did you notice I John 1:7 says "...the blood of His Son Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sins?"
As the scripture states there is no remission of sin without the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Upon believing this, one is commanded to obey God's instructions and repent, be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost. God's commands are just that, they are commands. Keep in mind that our God does nothing haphazardly. There is always a purpose behind His instructions.
 
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Ephesians 4:4-5 references the Spirit (v4), and one baptism (v5). This lines up with all recorded spiritual rebirth experiences; water and Spirit are both required. Jesus said it in John 3:3. And the apostles instructed everyone Jew, Gentile, Samaritans to comply. (Acts 2, 8, and 10) Every living person today came from one of those lineages.
"And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33).

"As for God, his way is PERFFECT..." (Psalm 18:30)

25 "This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the Spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more PERFECTLY" (Acts 18:25-26)!

John 3:3-5 is NOT referring to a water baptism according to I Corinthians 15:46 that says

"Howbeit that was not first which is Spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is Spiritual."

Consequently a man has to be born into the world a human being FIRST "born in sin" (Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:21-22) and "sin is death" (Romans 6:23). Therefore we "Except a man be born of water [Mother's water naturally first; I Corinthians 15:46] and of the Spirit [Born of God; John 1:12-13] he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

Jesus said Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 1:5.

Peter said water in Acts 2:38.

Therefore "They continued in the apostles' doctrine" (Acts 2:42) in Acts 2, 8, and 10 until Peter REMEMBERED (Acts 11:15-16) and Paul had a "night vision" (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26) to "bring all things to their REMEMBRANCE whatsoever Jesus told them" (John 14:26) in Acts 1:5!
 

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why do today's Christians believe in adding (Proverbs 30:6) a powerless do nothing water baptism onto what Jesus does PERFECTLY just because of writings in a book?
Writings in a book? Which book? If you are talking about the bible, it is essential we obey what it says. The bible is God inspired. And every single person will be judged by it when we stand before Jesus and give an account of our actions in this life. (John 12:48)
 
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It's written alright but you are misapplying and misinterpreting.
And creating contradictions.
Otherwise there are TWO baptisms defying Ephesians 4:5 "one baptism."

Since Jesus "baptizes us with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33; Acts 1:5) who gives POWER (Acts 1:8) "to become the sons of GOD" (John 1:12-13) the belief in a water baptism that's powerless not only leaves us "DEAD spirits" (Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:21-22) with NO "POWER coming upon us" (Acts 1:8) Who "QUICKENS" us (I Corinthians 15:45) "back to life" (Ephesians 2:1) from our "DEAD spirits" but it also makes us "DENY THE POWER OF GOD" (II Timothy 3:5-7) to "baptize us with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33) "PERFECTLY" (Psalm 18:30) who can't obey His commandment "BE YE PERFECT" (Matthew 5:48).

3 "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

4 He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him" (I John 2:3-5).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).
 
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Otherwise there are TWO baptisms defying Ephesians 4:5 "one baptism."

Since Jesus "baptizes us with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33; Acts 1:5) who gives POWER (Acts 1:8) "to become the sons of GOD" (John 1:12-13) the belief in a water baptism that's powerless not only leaves us "DEAD spirits" (Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:21-22) with NO "POWER coming upon us" (Acts 1:8) Who "QUICKENS" us (I Corinthians 15:45) "back to life" (Ephesians 2:1) from our "DEAD spirits" but it also makes us "DENY THE POWER OF GOD" (II Timothy 3:5-7) to "baptize us with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33) "PERFECTLY" (Psalm 18:30) who can't obey His commandment "BE YE PERFECT" (Matthew 5:48).

3 "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

4 He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him" (I John 2:3-5).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).
There are multiple baptisms. But only one baptism that saves eph 4: 5 (holy spirit or the baptism of Christ prophesied by John the Baptist)
 
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There are NOT multiple baptisms under the New Covenant of grace which defies Ephesians 4:5 "one baptism."

Since you know Holy Spirit baptism of Christ (John 1:33; Acts 1:5) gives "POWER" (Acts 1:8) "to become the sons of GOD" (John 1:12-13) the belief in a water baptism that's powerless not only leaves us "DEAD spirits" (Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:21-22) with NO "POWER coming upon us" (Acts 1:8) Who "QUICKENS" us (I Corinthians 15:45) "back to life" (Ephesians 2:1) from our "DEAD spirits" but it also makes us "DENY THE POWER OF GOD" (II Timothy 3:5-7) to "baptize us with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33) "PERFECTLY" (Psalm 18:30) who can't obey His commandment "BE YE PERFECT" (Matthew 5:48).
 

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"Signs following" (Mark 16:17-18) Holy Spirit baptism (Mark 16:16) that is our PROOF that we are Christians (I Thessalonians 5:21; KJV; II Timothy 4:5; II Corinthians 13:5).
Jesus is referring to water baptism in Mark 16:16. Notice the same encounter recorded with additional information concerning water baptism Matthew 28:19:

Mark 16:15-20
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
 
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Writings in a book? Which book? If you are talking about the bible, it is essential we obey what it says. The bible is God inspired. And every single person will be judged by it when we stand before Jesus and give an account of our actions in this life. (John 12:48)
"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" (Jeremiah 8:8)!

After Holy Spirit baptism (I Corinthians 12:13) Jesus gives the "Spiritual gifts" of "Wisdom" and "Knowledge" (I Corinthians 12:8) as well as the "Spiritual gift" of "discerning of spirits" (I Corinthians 12:10) "to discern both good and evil" (Hebrews 5:14) as "He guides us into all truth" (John 16:13) through the LIES (Jeremiah 8:8) "evil men" (Genesis 6:5) have "added and taken away" from His Word (Revelation 22:18-19).

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect" (Matthew 24:24)!
 
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Jesus is referring to water baptism in Mark 16:16. Notice the same encounter recorded with additional information concerning water baptism Matthew 28:19:

Mark 16:15-20
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
If Mark 16:16 is referring to a water baptism, did "Signs follow" (Mark 16:17-18) your water baptism (Mark 16:16)? Can you "CONFIRM that the LORD is working with you with SIGNS FOLLOWING" (Mark 16:20)?
 
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If Mark 16:16 is referring to a water baptism, did "Signs follow" (Mark 16:17-18) your water baptism (Mark 16:16)? Can you "CONFIRM that the LORD is working with you with SIGNS FOLLOWING" (Mark 16:20)?

Jesus knew there is only "one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) that He does "with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33; Acts 1:5;8) "PERFECTLY" (Psalm 18:30) so why would He ADD another baptism in Matthew 28:19 making Himself A LIAR in Ephesians 4:5 saying through Paul (Galatians 1:12) "One baptism?"

"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" (Jeremiah 8:8).
 

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"And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33).

"As for God, his way is PERFFECT..." (Psalm 18:30)

25 "This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the Spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more PERFECTLY" (Acts 18:25-26)!

John 3:3-5 is NOT referring to a water baptism according to I Corinthians 15:46 that says

"Howbeit that was not first which is Spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is Spiritual."

Consequently a man has to be born into the world a human being FIRST "born in sin" (Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:21-22) and "sin is death" (Romans 6:23). Therefore we "Except a man be born of water [Mother's water naturally first; I Corinthians 15:46] and of the Spirit [Born of God; John 1:12-13] he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

Jesus said Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 1:5.

Peter said water in Acts 2:38.

Therefore "They continued in the apostles' doctrine" (Acts 2:42) in Acts 2, 8, and 10 until Peter REMEMBERED (Acts 11:15-16) and Paul had a "night vision" (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26) to "bring all things to their REMEMBRANCE whatsoever Jesus told them" (John 14:26) in Acts 1:5!
As I shared from the word, John's baptism for repentance was introduced prior to Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Afterward water baptism was to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus. In addition, a believer could expect to receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost. This is specified in Acts 2:38, and confirmed in Acts 8, 10, and 19. This truth is seen in various other scriptures as well.
 
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Did you not HEAR Jesus?

Jesus said Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 1:5)!

Peter said WATER (Acts 2:38) who DID NOT REMEMBER until Acts 11:15-16!

Paul allegedly said Acts 19:5 which is A LIE since he had just had a "Night Vision" (Acts 18:9-10) in which Jesus revealed "the way of God more perfectly" (Acts 18:26) for baptism rather than a water baptism (Acts 18:25).

Why would Paul "FORGET GOD" (Psalm 9:17) just gave him a "Night Vision" (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26) and start water baptizing AGAIN as alleged in Acts 19:5 that makes TWO baptisms defying Ephesians 4:5 "one baptism?"

"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" (Jeremiah 8:8)!
 

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Jesus said Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 1:5.

Peter said water in Acts 2:38.

Therefore "They continued in the apostles' doctrine" (Acts 2:42) in Acts 2, 8, and 10 until Peter REMEMBERED (Acts 11:15-16) and Paul had a "night vision" (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26) to "bring all things to their REMEMBRANCE whatsoever Jesus told them" (John 14:26) in Acts 1:5!
I am sincere when I suggest that you do a thorough study of what is being conveyed in Acts 11 to the Jewish leaders about Peter's exchange with Cornelius and others in Acts 10. I'm sure you will get a better understanding of the events.
 
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As I shared from the word, John's baptism for repentance was introduced prior to Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Afterward water baptism was to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus. In addition, a believer could expect to receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost. This is specified in Acts 2:38, and confirmed in Acts 8, 10, and 19. This truth is seen in various other scriptures as well.
Jesus said Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 1:5)!

Peter said WATER (Acts 2:38) who DID NOT REMEMBER until Acts 11:15-16!

Paul allegedly said Acts 19:5 which is A LIE since he had just had a "Night Vision" (Acts 18:9-10) in which Jesus revealed "the way of God more perfectly" (Acts 18:26) for baptism rather than a water baptism (Acts 18:25).

Why would Paul "FORGET GOD" (Psalm 9:17) just gave him a "Night Vision" (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26) and start water baptizing AGAIN as alleged in Acts 19:5 that makes TWO baptisms defying Ephesians 4:5 "one baptism?"

"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" (Jeremiah 8:8)!
 

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Otherwise there are TWO baptisms defying Ephesians 4:5 "one baptism."

Since Jesus "baptizes us with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33; Acts 1:5) who gives POWER (Acts 1:8) "to become the sons of GOD" (John 1:12-13) the belief in a water baptism that's powerless not only leaves us "DEAD spirits" (Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:21-22) with NO "POWER coming upon us" (Acts 1:8) Who "QUICKENS" us (I Corinthians 15:45) "back to life" (Ephesians 2:1) from our "DEAD spirits" but it also makes us "DENY THE POWER OF GOD" (II Timothy 3:5-7) to "baptize us with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33) "PERFECTLY" (Psalm 18:30) who can't obey His commandment "BE YE PERFECT" (Matthew 5:48).

3 "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

4 He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him" (I John 2:3-5).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).
Throwing around the word liars is probably not a good idea. We are all sharing what we see out of sincere love or surely should be.
 
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I am sincere when I suggest that you do a thorough study of what is being conveyed in Acts 11 to the Jewish leaders about Peter's exchange with Cornelius and others in Acts 10. I'm sure you will get a better understanding of the events.
Jeremiah 1:10!

"GOD reveals by His Spirit" (I Corinthians 2:10).

No more "thorough study" can one have as that who has "understanding" of His Word (I Corinthians 2:11).

"Surely the LORD God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7).

"GOD set some in THE CHURCH" (I Corinthians 12:28)!

11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:" (Ephesians 4:11-15)!
 
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Throwing around the word liars is probably not a good idea. We are all sharing what we see out of sincere love or surely should be.
"If they speak not according to THIS WORD it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20). I GAVE WORD (II Timothy 4:5)!

"...speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:" (Ephesians 4:15)!