Christ is God.
Christ is God.
what verse says that?
as i've been saying. He demonstrated Who He is by the resurrection, not 'overcame His unworthiness' by it. see Romans 1:4
nothing in scripture says that.
in fact we have Jesus opening a scroll in another place, and when He does He demonstrates that there may be thousands of years in the middle of a single saying of prophecy.
John makes it clear that He was not found. that's what i've been telling you.
you've been saying He was found but wasn't worthy. that He was passed over as sub-par.
no, i have told you over and over.
you have told us over and over that Christ was worthless until He rose.
He was worshipped as an infant.
why did they worship what you call a worthless, sub-par, not-good-enough man?
"man" comes from the Greek
oudeis
The KJV translates Strong's G3762 in the following manner: no man (94x),
nothing (68x),
none (27x),
no (24x),
any man (3x),
any (3x),
man (2x),
neither any man (2x),
miscellaneous (13x).
The book is in the Father's hand. When the angels shouted:
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Why didn't GOD answer? He's got the book! The reason is, because it is written on the outside of the book who is qualified and God the Father was not qualified. It had to be the Redeemer. That was the man, Jesus Christ. He did not die as GOD, He died as a MAN. Don't guess on scripture when it TELLS US!
9 You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slaughtered, and You redeemed people for God by Your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation.
See how easy this is, He became worthy to open the seals when he became The redeemer.
He was worthy at that time because He was slaughtered and redeemed people. However, we know from other scriptures that redemption was not complete UNTIL He rose from the dead.
Question, was Jesus worthy to open the seals before He became worthy by dying and raising from the Dead? No.
There are several things Christ BECAME:
2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ: Though He was rich, for your sake He became poor, so that by His poverty you might become rich.
Was Christ poor before He BECAME poor? NO!
Hebrews 5:9
After He was perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him,
was Christ the source of eternal salvation BEFORE he became perfected?
Hebrews 7:21
but He became a priest with an oath made by the One who said to Him: The Lord has sworn, and He will not change His mind, You are a priest forever.
Was Christ a priest before the oath declaring he was?
2 Cor. 5:21
He orchestrated this: the
Anointed One, who had never experienced sin,
became sin for us so that in Him we might embody the very righteousness of God.
Was Jesus "sin" before He became sin for us? NO!
Why then can you just not believe what John tells us?
9 You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slaughtered, and You redeemed people for God by Your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation.
Before He was slaughtered, He was NOT the redeemer. He BECAME the Redeemer by dying and then raising from the dead. Therefore, He was not qualified to open the seals UNTIL He had accomplished everything required to become the redeemer: Death, burial, resurrection, according to Paul's gospel.
Christ is God. Who ever said He wasn't. But he did not redeem the world to himself AS GOD. He did it as MAN.
What verse says that "ONLY a man who would become the redeemer was qualified "
We can see that God the Father was not qualified to open the seals, because He had been hold the book and said NOTHING when the Angel was searching. So if God was not qualified, what, a goat? A Ram? A Red Heifer? Don't be silly! If God was not qualified, then it must be A MAN, just as John wrote. And indeed, it WAS a man who became qualified after being slaughtered and rising from the dead.
See Roman's 1:4 Another non-sequitur.
nothing in scripture says that. (As soon as He got the book, he opened the first seal.)
Yes, it does say this, just not in those words. There is only worship between Him getting the book and opening the first seal. (Feel free to insert 2000 years as most do, and be wrong.)
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
Show us in any verse or between any verse where 2000 years have taken place or any length of time.
John makes it clear that He was not found. that's what i've been telling you.
you've been saying He was found but wasn't worthy. that He was passed over as sub-par.
No, I have never said that. In the first search NO ONE was found. You are still wanting to argue over scripture, instead of believe it.
And they sang a new song: You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slaughtered, and You redeemed people for God by Your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation.
Why was He found worthy? Because He was GOD? NO! Because he
became the redeemer by His death and resurrection. Why was He not found in the first search? It is very simple: He was NOT YET the redeemer. He had to die, be buried, then rise from the dead to become the Redeemer. The reason He was not found in the first search was TIME: He had not yet finished His work as redeemer, so according to what was written on the outside of the book, he was not yet qualified to open the seals.
you have told us over and over that Christ was worthless until He rose. No, I have never said such a thing. Perhaps you imagined it because you still don't understand: Jesus was not found in that first search because the angel was looking for THE REDEEMER. You want Him to be the redeemer before HE was slaughtered. That is not scriptural. Your theory is not scriptural.
He was worshipped as an infant.
why did they worship what you call a worthless, sub-par, not-good-enough man? What does this have to do with the price of tea in China" Have have given distractor after distractor, all non sequitars because you just won't believe John that He was not found because He had not yet completed His task of becoming the redeemer. How many people were saved from their sins by His blood while He was still a baby? NONE! Friend, He had to first SHED HIS BLOOD. He was GOD before He shed His blood and He was GOD after He shed His blood that this does not answer WHY He was not found in that first search. By the way, I have never, ever, said these things.
Read it again and this time BELIEVE IT!
And they sang a new song: You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slaughtered, and You redeemed people for God by Your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation.
