Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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With the amount of false narrative surrounding the situation, starting from WW1 to this day. It's hard to say how much support the nation state should get, I'm not even sure if the nation state and any remnant of biblical Israel are even related.
As a nation however they do have the right to defend themselves, as for how much the world should jump in ... well, that's a good question.
I know not all Israel is Israel, only those who believe are.
As a nation however they do have the right to defend themselves, as for how much the world should jump in ... well, that's a good question.
I know not all Israel is Israel, only those who believe are.
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Thanks for this information!
I wanted to provide an article from a source that would be considered unbias. I thought since some posters on this thread clearly have a wrong idea about the Jewish nation they would just dismiss information from the sources you mention. If you notice the Reuters piece makes it clear that the Palestinians were the provokers in the ongoing conflict.
I do find it interesting how many cannot see what the bible so clearly conveys. The fight against Israel by its neighbors and many nations in the world throughout the years, even unto today is spiritually motivated. The bottom line is Satan wants what belongs to God. He is influencing people to rob, kill and destroy on his behalf. He knows exactly where he is headed and wants to take as many as possible with him when he goes.
I wanted to provide an article from a source that would be considered unbias. I thought since some posters on this thread clearly have a wrong idea about the Jewish nation they would just dismiss information from the sources you mention. If you notice the Reuters piece makes it clear that the Palestinians were the provokers in the ongoing conflict.
I do find it interesting how many cannot see what the bible so clearly conveys. The fight against Israel by its neighbors and many nations in the world throughout the years, even unto today is spiritually motivated. The bottom line is Satan wants what belongs to God. He is influencing people to rob, kill and destroy on his behalf. He knows exactly where he is headed and wants to take as many as possible with him when he goes.
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This is where the conflict started, in celebration of the anniversary of the 6 day war, as Jews took to the streets with the "In Your Face" march/parade through Arab neighborhoods, and ending up with violence at the Mosque on the temple mount
The Israeli police desired to change the route of the parade, and were well aware of the risk of violence, that has escalated into the present war in Israel
Jerusalem Day: Increased calls to alter Flag March route through Old City
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MAY 9, 2021 13:44
Groups of Jewish youth movements wave Israeli flags as they celebrate Jerusalem Day by the Great Synagogue, on King George Street, before taking part in the parade to the Old City. Jerusalem Day celebrates the 47th anniversary of its capture of Arab East Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967.
(photo credit: HADAS PARUSH/FLASH90)
Israel Police is ready to change the plan of events if needed, and Arab Meretz MK Esawi Frej warned of Jerusalem Day turning into "Meron 2.0."
On the backdrop of the violent protests that took place this weekend on the Temple Mount, and which led to protests throughout Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, police and public figures are approaching Jerusalem Day events with caution.
Israel Police Spokesperson Commander Eli Levi told Army Radio on Sunday morning that all events are still scheduled as planned, but that "if the police identify a rise in the likelihood of innocent bystanders getting hurt as a result of Jews going up to the Temple Mount, we will, of course, reevaluate our plans."
As of Sunday, the route will not change this year, and will proceed through Damascus Gate, Israeli media noted.
On Thursday, Israel Police's Jerusalem District Chief Doron Turgeman begged for the flags parade route, which usually goes through the Old City of Jerusalem, to be rerouted amid the recent rising tensions.
Meretz MK Esawi Frej took to Twitter to express his concerns: "It only takes one match to light a fire. This match could be the approval that the settlers will get to advance with their Flags Parade at Bab al-Amud [Damascus Gate].
The parade route is usually through the Old City via Damascus Gate, into the Muslim quarter and finishing at the Western Wall.
The Israeli police desired to change the route of the parade, and were well aware of the risk of violence, that has escalated into the present war in Israel
Jerusalem Day: Increased calls to alter Flag March route through Old City
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MAY 9, 2021 13:44
Groups of Jewish youth movements wave Israeli flags as they celebrate Jerusalem Day by the Great Synagogue, on King George Street, before taking part in the parade to the Old City. Jerusalem Day celebrates the 47th anniversary of its capture of Arab East Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967.
(photo credit: HADAS PARUSH/FLASH90)
Israel Police is ready to change the plan of events if needed, and Arab Meretz MK Esawi Frej warned of Jerusalem Day turning into "Meron 2.0."
On the backdrop of the violent protests that took place this weekend on the Temple Mount, and which led to protests throughout Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, police and public figures are approaching Jerusalem Day events with caution.
Israel Police Spokesperson Commander Eli Levi told Army Radio on Sunday morning that all events are still scheduled as planned, but that "if the police identify a rise in the likelihood of innocent bystanders getting hurt as a result of Jews going up to the Temple Mount, we will, of course, reevaluate our plans."
As of Sunday, the route will not change this year, and will proceed through Damascus Gate, Israeli media noted.
On Thursday, Israel Police's Jerusalem District Chief Doron Turgeman begged for the flags parade route, which usually goes through the Old City of Jerusalem, to be rerouted amid the recent rising tensions.
Meretz MK Esawi Frej took to Twitter to express his concerns: "It only takes one match to light a fire. This match could be the approval that the settlers will get to advance with their Flags Parade at Bab al-Amud [Damascus Gate].
The parade route is usually through the Old City via Damascus Gate, into the Muslim quarter and finishing at the Western Wall.
Wrong Idea About The Jewish Nation Israel, Please Explain? 
Many Jewish people are still committed to following God's commands while awaiting their Messiah. Some Jews continue to be blinded until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled:
Rom 11:25-29
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
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Do I support Israel? YES!
What we are seeing may very well be the beginning of the end.
Israel is now standing alone. Only God is with them, as ALL nations, including the USA have abandoned them.
How long before the man of sin stands up and unites all Israel's enemies into one force with one goal?
I pray for Israel daily and would urge all to do likewise.
What we are seeing may very well be the beginning of the end.
Israel is now standing alone. Only God is with them, as ALL nations, including the USA have abandoned them.
How long before the man of sin stands up and unites all Israel's enemies into one force with one goal?
I pray for Israel daily and would urge all to do likewise.
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Roman's Chapter 11 is speaking to the Remnant Church, those that are chosen through grace in salvation, that will be added to the Church on earth
You will closely note, unsaved Israel is blinded, something you wilfully disregard
(The Election Of Grace, The Remnant Elect Jew Added To The Church)
(The Rest Were Blinded, Unsaved Jews)
Romans 11:5-7KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
You will closely note, unsaved Israel is blinded, something you wilfully disregard
(The Election Of Grace, The Remnant Elect Jew Added To The Church)
(The Rest Were Blinded, Unsaved Jews)
Romans 11:5-7KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
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Jeremiah 31
..........for I am Israel’s Father,
and Ephraim is my firstborn.
10 Nations, hear the word of the Lord,
and tell it among the far off coasts and islands!
Say, “The one who scattered Israel will gather him.
He will watch over him as a shepherd guards his flock,
11 for the Lord has ransomed Jacob
and redeemed him from the power of one stronger than he.”
12 They will come and shout for joy on the heights of Zion;
they will be radiant with joy
because of the Lord’s goodness,
Further on in the chapter he says.........
35 “This is what the Lord says:
The one who gives the sun for light by day,
the fixed order of moon and stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea and makes its waves roar—
the Lord of Armies is his name:
36 If this fixed order departs from before me—
this is the Lord’s declaration—
only then will Israel’s descendants cease
to be a nation before me forever.
37 “This is what the Lord says:
Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below explored,
will I reject all of Israel’s descendants
because of all they have done—
this is the Lord’s declaration.
..........for I am Israel’s Father,
and Ephraim is my firstborn.
10 Nations, hear the word of the Lord,
and tell it among the far off coasts and islands!
Say, “The one who scattered Israel will gather him.
He will watch over him as a shepherd guards his flock,
11 for the Lord has ransomed Jacob
and redeemed him from the power of one stronger than he.”
12 They will come and shout for joy on the heights of Zion;
they will be radiant with joy
because of the Lord’s goodness,
Further on in the chapter he says.........
35 “This is what the Lord says:
The one who gives the sun for light by day,
the fixed order of moon and stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea and makes its waves roar—
the Lord of Armies is his name:
36 If this fixed order departs from before me—
this is the Lord’s declaration—
only then will Israel’s descendants cease
to be a nation before me forever.
37 “This is what the Lord says:
Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below explored,
will I reject all of Israel’s descendants
because of all they have done—
this is the Lord’s declaration.
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I Pray For The Lords Church, And Would Urge All To Do Likewise
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So the Jewish people should not be permitted to celebrate their Independence Day? It is an annual celebration.
Unless I am misinformed, Jews don't attack Palestinians during Ramadan, etc. However, many nations accept that it is ok for Palestinians to fight against Israel at every turn. Hummm, wonder what is up with that.
This is where the conflict started, in celebration of the anniversary of the 6 day war, as Jews took to the streets with the "In Your Face" march/parade through Arab neighborhoods, and ending up with violence at the Mosque on the temple mount
The Israeli police desired to change the route of the parade, and were well aware of the risk of violence, that has escalated into the present war in Israel
Jerusalem Day: Increased calls to alter Flag March route through Old City
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MAY 9, 2021 13:44
Groups of Jewish youth movements wave Israeli flags as they celebrate Jerusalem Day by the Great Synagogue, on King George Street, before taking part in the parade to the Old City. Jerusalem Day celebrates the 47th anniversary of its capture of Arab East Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967.
(photo credit: HADAS PARUSH/FLASH90)
Israel Police is ready to change the plan of events if needed, and Arab Meretz MK Esawi Frej warned of Jerusalem Day turning into "Meron 2.0."
On the backdrop of the violent protests that took place this weekend on the Temple Mount, and which led to protests throughout Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, police and public figures are approaching Jerusalem Day events with caution.
Israel Police Spokesperson Commander Eli Levi told Army Radio on Sunday morning that all events are still scheduled as planned, but that "if the police identify a rise in the likelihood of innocent bystanders getting hurt as a result of Jews going up to the Temple Mount, we will, of course, reevaluate our plans."
As of Sunday, the route will not change this year, and will proceed through Damascus Gate, Israeli media noted.
On Thursday, Israel Police's Jerusalem District Chief Doron Turgeman begged for the flags parade route, which usually goes through the Old City of Jerusalem, to be rerouted amid the recent rising tensions.
Meretz MK Esawi Frej took to Twitter to express his concerns: "It only takes one match to light a fire. This match could be the approval that the settlers will get to advance with their Flags Parade at Bab al-Amud [Damascus Gate].
The parade route is usually through the Old City via Damascus Gate, into the Muslim quarter and finishing at the Western Wall.
The Israeli police desired to change the route of the parade, and were well aware of the risk of violence, that has escalated into the present war in Israel
Jerusalem Day: Increased calls to alter Flag March route through Old City
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MAY 9, 2021 13:44
Groups of Jewish youth movements wave Israeli flags as they celebrate Jerusalem Day by the Great Synagogue, on King George Street, before taking part in the parade to the Old City. Jerusalem Day celebrates the 47th anniversary of its capture of Arab East Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967.
(photo credit: HADAS PARUSH/FLASH90)
Israel Police is ready to change the plan of events if needed, and Arab Meretz MK Esawi Frej warned of Jerusalem Day turning into "Meron 2.0."
On the backdrop of the violent protests that took place this weekend on the Temple Mount, and which led to protests throughout Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, police and public figures are approaching Jerusalem Day events with caution.
Israel Police Spokesperson Commander Eli Levi told Army Radio on Sunday morning that all events are still scheduled as planned, but that "if the police identify a rise in the likelihood of innocent bystanders getting hurt as a result of Jews going up to the Temple Mount, we will, of course, reevaluate our plans."
As of Sunday, the route will not change this year, and will proceed through Damascus Gate, Israeli media noted.
On Thursday, Israel Police's Jerusalem District Chief Doron Turgeman begged for the flags parade route, which usually goes through the Old City of Jerusalem, to be rerouted amid the recent rising tensions.
Meretz MK Esawi Frej took to Twitter to express his concerns: "It only takes one match to light a fire. This match could be the approval that the settlers will get to advance with their Flags Parade at Bab al-Amud [Damascus Gate].
The parade route is usually through the Old City via Damascus Gate, into the Muslim quarter and finishing at the Western Wall.
Unless I am misinformed, Jews don't attack Palestinians during Ramadan, etc. However, many nations accept that it is ok for Palestinians to fight against Israel at every turn. Hummm, wonder what is up with that.
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Again you neglect to include the total content of the message. Verses 8-11 make it clear that their blindness would not result in their fall. But it was done as a means for salvation to come to the Gentiles.
The scripture clearly states that ALL of Israel shall be saved.
Rom 11:8-11
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
KJV
The scripture clearly states that ALL of Israel shall be saved.
Rom 11:8-11
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
KJV
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I Pray For The Lords Church, And Would Urge All To Do Likewise
if you just pray for the church, something is wrong
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Some would say Jesus was referring to the Romans
For the Jews had delivered Him up to the Romans to which Jesus said was the greater sin.
Jesus did say to the Jews that the Kingdom of God would be taken from them and
given to another nation. But I am just repeating what some might say?
For the Jews had delivered Him up to the Romans to which Jesus said was the greater sin.
Jesus did say to the Jews that the Kingdom of God would be taken from them and
given to another nation. But I am just repeating what some might say?
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