What is the Royal Law or Law of Liberty?
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I was just looking at the end of Romans 3, specifically verses 21-31:
Romans 3:21-31
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 3:21-31
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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OK, I'll ask the same question for the third time and include a hyperlink. If you answer the question, we can continue discussing the issue of whether OSAS is Biblical.
Does Romans 7:25 KJV teach the Christian may simultaneously serve the Law of the Spirit with his mind and the Law of Sin with his flesh - can a Christian serve the Law of the Spirit by gazing upward toward the ceiling of his neighbor's bedroom thinking thoughts of faithfulness to God while simultaneously ejaculating in his neighbor's wife in service to the Law of Sin?
Does Romans 7:25 KJV teach the Christian may simultaneously serve the Law of the Spirit with his mind and the Law of Sin with his flesh - can a Christian serve the Law of the Spirit by gazing upward toward the ceiling of his neighbor's bedroom thinking thoughts of faithfulness to God while simultaneously ejaculating in his neighbor's wife in service to the Law of Sin?
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Apply only to Jews? Do you realize that God rested on, blessed, and sanctified the seventh day aka "the Sabbath day" over two thousand years before there was a Jew?
Jesus said the seventh day Sabbath was made for "man" (Greek: "Anthropos" which means "mankind"), not man for the Sabbath" and M-A-N is a strange way to spell "Jew", right or wrong?
Jesus said the seventh day Sabbath was made for "man" (Greek: "Anthropos" which means "mankind"), not man for the Sabbath" and M-A-N is a strange way to spell "Jew", right or wrong?
OK, let's play "True/False Equivalence":
A Licensed driver can't be punished for doing the exact same thing that will get an Unlicensed driver thrown in jail: driving.
A Licensed OSAS lawbreaker can't be punished for doing the exact same thing that will get an Unlicensed lost lawbreaker thrown into the Lake of Fire: breaking the law.
The answer is...TRUE EQUIVALENCE! Because OSAS turns grace into disgrace by claiming the saved can get away with doing the exact same thing that will condemn the lost.
A Licensed driver can't be punished for doing the exact same thing that will get an Unlicensed driver thrown in jail: driving.
A Licensed OSAS lawbreaker can't be punished for doing the exact same thing that will get an Unlicensed lost lawbreaker thrown into the Lake of Fire: breaking the law.
The answer is...TRUE EQUIVALENCE! Because OSAS turns grace into disgrace by claiming the saved can get away with doing the exact same thing that will condemn the lost.
Yes but I would prefer to see It without having to trust the site and Its associates.
Sidenote I don't think we were discussing OSAS
Sidenote I don't think we were discussing OSAS
You OSAS guys just refuse to explain yourselves, don't you? Seed Man is doing his level best to dodge the question, as are you.
Can't any of you step up and explain how in the world Romans 7:25 KJV is supposed to be permission for the Christian to keep sinning with his flesh as long as he's thinking upright, holy, Spiritual thoughts while doing it?
Can't any of you step up and explain how in the world Romans 7:25 KJV is supposed to be permission for the Christian to keep sinning with his flesh as long as he's thinking upright, holy, Spiritual thoughts while doing it?
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The Royal Law and the Law of Liberty are one in the same: the Ten Commandments.
James clearly refers to two of the Ten Commandments in the context of explaining the Royal Law/Law of Liberty.
But, I guess context can be tossed out the window by those who find the only conclusion it makes possible an unwelcomed conclusion, right?
James clearly refers to two of the Ten Commandments in the context of explaining the Royal Law/Law of Liberty.
But, I guess context can be tossed out the window by those who find the only conclusion it makes possible an unwelcomed conclusion, right?
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Yes but I would prefer to see It without having to trust the site and Its associates.
Sidenote I don't think we were discussing OSAS
Sidenote I don't think we were discussing OSAS
Show me one Conditional Salvationalist who believes the Ten Commandments are no longer binding on the Christian, and I'll show you a person who is as confused as a Caucasian Rastafarian.
I don't think that that's a good analogy.
James was letting them know that If your works were the RESULT of true faith that you would SHOW your faith BY your works and not just SAY I have works.
The ten commandments (law) were given because of Adam's transgression of the law because he CHOSE to listen to the voice of the devil rather than the voice of GOD.GOD allowed him to make that choice though, but In order for Adam to have a relationship with GOD after that was to do GODs standard of righteousness (the law or the commandments and ordinances of the old Covenant) In his Own strength and no man can do the commands of the law In his Own strength.
The two commandments are not grevious because those that have been born again by GOD are GODs workmanship and they cannot sin (talking about the Spirit NOT the flesh) and then the person ESTABLISHES the ten commandments.
All the prophets and the law are summed up In one word, LOVE.
Sidenote:The rich young ruler said he was keeping All of the ten commandments and JESUS told him that he was still lacking.
James was letting them know that If your works were the RESULT of true faith that you would SHOW your faith BY your works and not just SAY I have works.
The ten commandments (law) were given because of Adam's transgression of the law because he CHOSE to listen to the voice of the devil rather than the voice of GOD.GOD allowed him to make that choice though, but In order for Adam to have a relationship with GOD after that was to do GODs standard of righteousness (the law or the commandments and ordinances of the old Covenant) In his Own strength and no man can do the commands of the law In his Own strength.
The two commandments are not grevious because those that have been born again by GOD are GODs workmanship and they cannot sin (talking about the Spirit NOT the flesh) and then the person ESTABLISHES the ten commandments.
All the prophets and the law are summed up In one word, LOVE.
Sidenote:The rich young ruler said he was keeping All of the ten commandments and JESUS told him that he was still lacking.
The first part of your responding post Is true but once a person has repented In truth,GOD IS not judging the sins of the born again Christian again and again but the person has been equipped by GOD and will be In the process of renewing their minds or as some call It continued sanctification.
Romans 4:1-2
King James Version
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.
Romans 4:1-2
King James Version
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.
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We will never reach an agreement on how a person is saved today because of your commitment to SDA . Your religion literally prevents the understanding of how the components of salvation works ,and how salvation is appropriated today.You would have to repent of SDA ism to fully understand New testament salvation. I mean well when I say this .
Ultimately what's gets a person into the lake of fire is not being Glorified. Being glorified is the goal so to speak . In other words ,rejecting Jesus and not receiving him is the issue. How a person receives Jesus ( John 1.12 ) is through believing on the atonement for our sins . ' Beleving / faith / trust / pistis is the prerequisite to receiving. Once a person receives he is no longer on the path to condemnation . He is now safely secured by the Holy Spirit , is given redemption of the spirit , becomes a ' new creature ' . Is Justified, HAS peace with God . IS reconciled, IS forgiven and IS redeemed. He IS then seated in heavenly places . He IS a citizen of heaven , he IS regenerated , he receives the spiritual circumcision made without hands, the operation of Christ . He IS born again , He IS sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, guaranteed , predestined to THE Adoption ( Rom 8.23 ) by God . He IS saved from the wrath to come ..and on and on and on and on and on and on ........