Why Covid 19 When We Have Healing Power

[Jackson123]

THIS is A HARSH BUT TRUE INDICTMENT ON THE CHURCH.

In an age when so many people are Naming and Claiming healings and victories and are boasting of having so much POWER, PROSPERITY, and MIRACLES..'.

Why has the Covid 19 virus ravaged the world?????? WHY has so many people died???
A lack of faith??????

Does anyone else believe that the Neo-Pentecostal originating at Azuza St. has done more HARM to the Gospel and the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ than the Catholics during the dark ages. The Catholic's destruction was outright visible and UNPRENTENTIOUS, BRUTAL AND CHRISTLESS.

It seems to me that the Pentecostal Charismatic false teaching has harmed God's church in a very subtle way.

Healing happen but not always. Some time people not honest give false testimonies about miracle, but some time for real

Few years ago, a famous preacher in my town where I was live, die, the member believe god will bring back to live, so they not burry him for some time, and it not happen.

But my friend dad was lame, non Christian, his cousin ask if he let him ask a pricier to come and pray, the uncle agree, preacher come and pray, and he walk. He accept the Lird and baptized

 

[TheLearner]

YES. GOD does all those things.

But NO MAN has the ability heal or raise the dead or to call the Holy Spirit to do as he demands.

While at Travis AFB in CA I ran into a cult member of the way international. They claim that they can breathe in the Holy Spirit at will and work miracles. I said to him lets walk up the hill to David Grant and heal everyone in the hospital. Part way up the hill I turned to look behind me to see him running away.

 

[Runningman]

THIS is A HARSH BUT TRUE INDICTMENT ON THE CHURCH.

In an age when so many people are Naming and Claiming healings and victories and are boasting of having so much POWER, PROSPERITY, and MIRACLES..'.

Why has the Covid 19 virus ravaged the world?????? WHY has so many people died???
A lack of faith??????

Does anyone else believe that the Neo-Pentecostal originating at Azuza St. has done more HARM to the Gospel and the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ than the Catholics during the dark ages. The Catholic's destruction was outright visible and UNPRENTENTIOUS, BRUTAL AND CHRISTLESS.

It seems to me that the Pentecostal Charismatic false teaching has harmed God's church in a very subtle way.

I think that when or if healings happen then secularists would just be quick to explain it away referencing natural causes. To the unspiritual nothing is spiritual.

I think sometimes we don't give God credit for what did not happen. For example, how many times have people not become deathly ill because God prevented it? We may never know.

Besides, haven't pandemics been around for a long time and just didn't receive the same level of media attention? The common cold fits the definition of pandemic, the flu, HIV, and the list goes on and on.

I know people who have been healed through prayer, including myself.

 

[Major]

While at Travis AFB in CA I ran into a cult member of the way international. They claim that they can breathe in the Holy Spirit at will and work miracles. I said to him lets walk up the hill to David Grant and heal everyone in the hospital. Part way up the hill I turned to look behind me to see him running away.

That is always the case. TAL-TALK-TALK, God did this and I saw this and I experienced this miracle and God did this healing for my child.

All I am saying is.......Less Talk and more ACTION!

And YES....before anyone says this...........GOD IS STILL IN THE HEALING BUSINESS but a self proclaimed faith healer is a Witch Doctor.

 

[Major]

I think that when or if healings happen then secularists would just be quick to explain it away referencing natural causes. To the unspiritual nothing is spiritual.

I think sometimes we don't give God credit for what did not happen. For example, how many times have people not become deathly ill because God prevented it? We may never know.

Besides, haven't pandemics been around for a long time and just didn't receive the same level of media attention? The common cold fits the definition of pandemic, the flu, HIV, and the list goes on and on.

I know people who have been healed through prayer, including myself.

I agree 100% brother. THAT is not what I am talking about.

I am talking about the Benny Hinns and Richard Roberts who proclaim to be God's anointed and heal people by calling down the Holy Spirit for a love offering.

WHY do those kinds of people NOT go to hospitals instead of colosseums to heal people?????

The Bible says that when we are sick in James 5:13-14..........
"Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. 14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up".

 

[CS1]

sounds like your opinion friend. Google any denomination or church claiming no one in their crowed church are not getting the virus --- news related to that church proves crowed churches are spreading the virus. On my last such google one Calvary Chapel there were 650 cases(forget if this 650 was the full denomination ) and another 50 cases.

More than 50 members of San Antonio area church test positive for coronavirus
More than 50 church members test positive for COVD-19 | kens5.com

In California’s 'Bible Belt,' churches find ways around state's coronavirus lockdown orders

'I accept full responsibility:' Calvary Chapel pastor talks church's COVID-19 outbreak
Churches Were Eager to Reopen. Now They Are Confronting Coronavirus Cases.

that is the problem you say it sounds like my opinion but you say to google others for their opinion. I don't care what other churches are saying that is your issue try looking in the mirror and ensure it is not you. You a medical representative? Do you work for CDC?
If getting the vaccine helps from getting the virus why do you still need to wear a mask? And if the vaccine doesn't stop the virus after getting it how does a mask stop it?

Here is the facts and truth.in California, a federal Judge AND the Supreme Court ruled against Gov. Newsom. do you know what the ruling was for?

The courts said that the Governor's restriction was made against the church for only the reason they were Christians.

Wear your mask, in your car because you are afraid to give yourself COVID-19

FYI it is my opinion that Calvary Chapel and the situation you have mention were wimps and did not stand their ground

AS Walmart, Costco and many others did and remained open. The POTUS said CHurches are essential.

You, wimps, say that we are to obey the authority placed over us because God said that. That is not true but an error in translation.


FYI the Authority recognized by the United States is the Us Constitution and all are supposed to uphold that.

Liberal Christianity = socialism and submission to the devil.

 

[TheLearner]

That is always the case. TAL-TALK-TALK, God did this and I saw this and I experienced this miracle and God did this healing for my child.

All I am saying is.......Less Talk and more ACTION!

And YES....before anyone says this...........GOD IS STILL IN THE HEALING BUSINESS but a self proclaimed faith healer is a Witch Doctor.

 

[TheLearner]

that is the problem you say it sounds like my opinion but you say to google others for their opinion. I don't care what other churches are saying that is your issue try looking in the mirror and ensure it is not you. You a medical representative? Do you work for CDC?
If getting the vaccine helps from getting the virus why do you still need to wear a mask? And if the vaccine doesn't stop the virus after getting it how does a mask stop it?

Here is the facts and truth.in California, a federal Judge AND the Supreme Court ruled against Gov. Newsom. do you know what the ruling was for?

The courts said that the Governor's restriction was made against the church for only the reason they were Christians.

Wear your mask, in your car because you are afraid to give yourself COVID-19

FYI it is my opinion that Calvary Chapel and the situation you have mention were wimps and did not stand their ground

AS Walmart, Costco and many others did and remained open. The POTUS said CHurches are essential.

You, wimps, say that we are to obey the authority placed over us because God said that. That is not true but an error in translation.


FYI the Authority recognized by the United States is the Us Constitution and all are supposed to uphold that.

Liberal Christianity = socialism and submission to the devil.

Googling news stories does let us know that a specific church is spreading the virus. How they present it does show us their bias, but the fact that crowed churches are spreading the virus. Look for the truth in the article. spit out the bones. An article has both truth and opinion. it is that simple.

 

[Major]

You did not read my post nor are you doing anything you said you are doing, others are but not you. How can I say that?

because you exposed yourself with this comment:


"Now why are YOU not going from room to room in every hospital and healing those in them????"


This is one of the most foolish questions you have asked.

1. we are in a pandemic and no one can visit the hospitals as they had before
2. Local and Fed Government is attacking the Church and placed restrictions on all of them
3. I could never as one person go to every Hospital and person it
4. Jesus never said to do that he said do what you can
5. The Maricle of my Daughter the hospital has suppressed due to legal reasons


You try to pray for every person in your local hospital and get back to me when you're done.

I would appreciate it if you would IGONE me and stop STALKING me. I do not want to reply to you. I have NO respect for you whatsoever.

Perhaps no accusation is more provocative than that of “hypocrite.” and YOU called me just that!

In Matthew 7:23, Jesus says, speaking to those who are "religious" says ........
"And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'"

He also says that we can know these people in Matthew 7:20 by...........
"Thus you will recognize them by their fruits."

You my friend have shown hate, anger, uncivility, character assaination. and an inability to communicate in a Christian attitude, to name just a few.

PLEASE do not respond to anything I say.

Ephesians 5:11...........
"Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them."

 

[TheLearner]

I think that when or if healings happen then secularists would just be quick to explain it away referencing natural causes. To the unspiritual nothing is spiritual.

I think sometimes we don't give God credit for what did not happen. For example, how many times have people not become deathly ill because God prevented it? We may never know.

Besides, haven't pandemics been around for a long time and just didn't receive the same level of media attention? The common cold fits the definition of pandemic, the flu, HIV, and the list goes on and on.

I know people who have been healed through prayer, including myself.

Fact: there is a group of doctors documenting real healings and exposing others that never happened. And, they are Christians being objective using criteria of evidence. They have meetings to discuss the real for encouragement.

 

[TheLearner]

Healing happen but not always. Some time people not honest give false testimonies about miracle, but some time for real

Few years ago, a famous preacher in my town where I was live, die, the member believe god will bring back to live, so they not burry him for some time, and it not happen.

But my friend dad was lame, non Christian, his cousin ask if he let him ask a pricier to come and pray, the uncle agree, preacher come and pray, and he walk. He accept the Lird and baptized

And, how was that documented?

 

[Runningman]

I agree 100% brother. THAT is not what I am talking about.

I am talking about the Benny Hinns and Richard Roberts who proclaim to be God's anointed and heal people by calling down the Holy Spirit for a love offering.

WHY do those kinds of people NOT go to hospitals instead of colosseums to heal people?????

The Bible says that when we are sick in James 5:13-14..........
"Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. 14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up".

I agree, but that is something else entirely. There is such a thing as false prophets who make merchandise out of people. This does not represent the church as a whole, but rather some individuals. Try to help spread awareness so the truth will not be spoken evil of.

2 Peter 2:1-3
1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

God isn't pleased with these people. "Their damnation slumbereth not."

 

[SophieT]

THIS is A HARSH BUT TRUE INDICTMENT ON THE CHURCH.

In an age when so many people are Naming and Claiming healings and victories and are boasting of having so much POWER, PROSPERITY, and MIRACLES..'.

Why has the Covid 19 virus ravaged the world?????? WHY has so many people died???
A lack of faith??????

Does anyone else believe that the Neo-Pentecostal originating at Azuza St. has done more HARM to the Gospel and the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ than the Catholics during the dark ages. The Catholic's destruction was outright visible and UNPRENTENTIOUS, BRUTAL AND CHRISTLESS.

It seems to me that the Pentecostal Charismatic false teaching has harmed God's church in a very subtle way.

don't fall off your soapbox

might have to pray for a broken arm if you do

and now for what I really think. your op is despicable and your own personal attempt at advancing your apparent hatred of all things having to do with the gifts of the Spirit

your theology stinks, frankly, as you do not seem to understand the effects of sin on this world and the fact that as we approach the so called 'end times' people will fall away from God, love will grow cold and sickness and wars will increase

if you were not so involved with your own agenda, you might be able to see that and understand that

as it is, you are simply another voice shaming Christians and helping the world hate us

nice work

 

[Major]

that is the problem you say it sounds like my opinion but you say to google others for their opinion. I don't care what other churches are saying that is your issue try looking in the mirror and ensure it is not you. You a medical representative? Do you work for CDC?
If getting the vaccine helps from getting the virus why do you still need to wear a mask? And if the vaccine doesn't stop the virus after getting it how does a mask stop it?

Here is the facts and truth.in California, a federal Judge AND the Supreme Court ruled against Gov. Newsom. do you know what the ruling was for?

The courts said that the Governor's restriction was made against the church for only the reason they were Christians.

Wear your mask, in your car because you are afraid to give yourself COVID-19

FYI it is my opinion that Calvary Chapel and the situation you have mention were wimps and did not stand their ground

AS Walmart, Costco and many others did and remained open. The POTUS said CHurches are essential.

You, wimps, say that we are to obey the authority placed over us because God said that. That is not true but an error in translation.


FYI the Authority recognized by the United States is the Us Constitution and all are supposed to uphold that.

Liberal Christianity = socialism and submission to the devil.

What has any of that got to do with the point of this thread?????????? NOTHING!

The point is real simple......Those who promote and preach FAITH healing, such as Benny Hinn, Richard Roberts, why are they on TV instead of going to hospitals and emptying them of everyone????

Everyone...EVERYONE has their own pet story of how they saw a healing miracle, a man cured of cancer, a leg that grew to the correct length!

With all of these healing miracles that everyone testifies to......why is there NO ONE actually going to hospitals and healing the dieing?

THAT is the question? THAT is the point.

WHY talk, talk talk and NO action seen???

 

[Major]

don't fall off your soapbox

might have to pray for a broken arm if you do

and now for what I really think. your op is despicable and your own personal attempt at advancing your apparent hatred of all things having to do with the gifts of the Spirit

your theology stinks, frankly, as you do not seem to understand the effects of sin on this world and the fact that as we approach the so called 'end times' people will fall away from God, love will grow cold and sickness and wars will increase

if you were not so involved with your own agenda, you might be able to see that and understand that

as it is, you are simply another voice shaming Christians and helping the world hate us

nice work

Thank you for your responce.

As usual.....you did not give an answer to the question which is really not all that hard.

WHY is there TALK of physical healings done and witnessed, BUT none of the Faith Healers go to hospitals to heal those dieing of the Covid 19 virus.

It is a real simple.....common question asked by millions of people who do not join Christian forums but live every day in the world watching what we say and do.

I do understand the ramifications of SIN in this world......but what does that have to do with the question at hand??????

The question has NOTHING to do with theology at all. All you did was to throw up a SMOKE SCREEN of deflection so that you would not have to actually answer the question.

Did that action make you feel better?

 

[de-emerald]

THIS is A HARSH BUT TRUE INDICTMENT ON THE CHURCH.

In an age when so many people are Naming and Claiming healings and victories and are boasting of having so much POWER, PROSPERITY, and MIRACLES..'.

Why has the Covid 19 virus ravaged the world?????? WHY has so many people died???
A lack of faith??????

Does anyone else believe that the Neo-Pentecostal originating at Azuza St. has done more HARM to the Gospel and the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ than the Catholics during the dark ages. The Catholic's destruction was outright visible and UNPRENTENTIOUS, BRUTAL AND CHRISTLESS.

It seems to me that the Pentecostal Charismatic false teaching has harmed God's church in a very subtle way.

Just some figures here Worldwide figures of comfirmed covid cases is total number of people who have been comfirmed to have had covid is 166 million people. world wide figure of people who have died from covid is 3.4 million.
That to me looks like a lot of people who have recovered from Covid.
Thats also alot of people who could have been healed through prayer.
In my book the number of people who have had covid is probably a lot higher than 166 million to.

 

[SophieT]

Thank you for your responce.

As usual.....you did not give an answer to the question which is really not all that hard.

WHY is there TALK of physical healings done and witnessed, BUT none of the Faith Healers go to hospitals to heal those dieing of the Covid 19 virus.

It is a real simple.....common question asked by millions of people who do not join Christian forums but live every day in the world watching what we say and do.

I do understand the ramifications of SIN in this world......but what does that have to do with the question at hand??????

The question has NOTHING to do with theology at all. All you did was to throw up a SMOKE SCREEN of deflection so that you would not have to actually answer the question.

Did that action make you feel better?

as usual, snark and mockery

those are not gifts of the Holy Spirit yet you seem quite gifted in that area

you simply do not believe and personally, I do not see all that much difference between those who reject God and those who reject the Holy Spirit while believing they know God

no. you don't know at all how deep the sin impact is. none of us do

 

[Major]

Are you saying that millions of Pentecostals and Charismatics right around the world who are a major part of God's church and who are getting people saved, healed and released from demonic oppression, are doing harm to God's church?

Maybe it is the false teaching of some Pentecostals and Charismatic who are doing the harm, in the same way that some Evangelicals are doing harm to the church through liberalism, denial of the resurrection, boring ritualistic church services, sermons that are only good for sleeping through, acceptance of homosexuals into the ministry. Notice that I said some Evangelicals, not Evangelicals in general.

I don't hear of Pentecostals or Charismatics burning dissenters at the stake like the Catholics did in their history, or Calvinist Puritans drowning Anabaptists, or New England Calvinists burning innocent women whom they accused of being witches.

I am saying, in my own personal opinion, having come out of the Pentecostal faith 50 years ago because of what I experienced and saw. In that the prosperity gospel, also known as the Word of Faith says that the believer is told to use God, whereas the truth of biblical Christianity is just the opposite—God uses the believer.

IF YOU have not realized that you really need to take a real close look at what you are being told.

The Prosperity theology sees the Holy Spirit as a power to be put to use for whatever the believer wills. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is a Person who enables the believer to do God’s will. The prosperity gospel movement closely resembles some of the destructive greed sects that infiltrated the early church. Paul and the other apostles were not accommodating to or conciliatory with the false teachers who propagated such theology.

Ephesians 5:5 .....
"For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God."

Prosperity teaching prohibits God from working on His own, meaning that God is not Lord of all because He cannot work until we release Him to do so. Faith, according to the Word of Faith doctrine, is not submissive trust in God; faith is a formula by which we manipulate the spiritual laws that prosperity teachers believe govern the universe. As the name “Word of Faith” implies, this movement teaches that faith is a matter of what we say more than whom we trust or what truths we embrace and affirm in our hearts.

 

[Major]

as usual, snark and mockery

those are not gifts of the Holy Spirit yet you seem quite gifted in that area

you simply do not believe and personally, I do not see all that much difference between those who reject God and those who reject the Holy Spirit while believing they know God

no. you don't know at all how deep the sin impact is. none of us do

Of all the things to say to anyone from you.....the words "Snarky and Mockery" are just ridiculous to use.

 

[Runningman]

Fact: there is a group of doctors documenting real healings and exposing others that never happened. And, they are Christians being objective using criteria of evidence. They have meetings to discuss the real for encouragement.

Interested to know more. Does this group have a name?