TONGUES TODAY

[Major]

Maybe in the cessationist workbook we can modify the miracles of the 12 as temporary and the miracles of the temporary disciples who later left Jesus as " super temp miracles"
..... never again to be repeated.

No more healing or casting out devils.
God got out of that business 2000 years ago?

SMH.

If your responses were not so sarcastic and uninformed Biblically, they could be laughed at. However they make me sad that anyone would think what you are saying.

You actually, unknowingly said something Biblically correct in that the SIGN GIFTS were in fact "Temporary".
Just as recorded in Mark 16:14-18 those SIGN GIFTS were given to the Apostles. I know you do not like that but that is exactly what the Bible says.

Again.....correct. NO Apostles today so there can not be any healing done by a MAN today by blowing or knocking down people with the Holy Spirit.

Have YOU ever personally seen a demonically possessed person?????

You do realize what the actual words are in 1 Corinthians 13:8-10......right?
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall fail; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

Now again, please take the time to teach me something as I am really a good student. Please explain the meaning from your understanding of..............

1. they shall fail;
2. they shall cease
3. they shall vanish away.
4. then that which is in part (Temporary) shall be done away.

 

[Major]

What part of that sentence says to Jesus "you are an angel?" You are making an assumption that when God says he didn't choose an angel (any of the created angels) or a man (any created man) to do the job Jesus did, that Jesus is one of the created heavenly angels. That's not said at all. That's a presumption you are making that isn't stated.

WHO are YOU talking to and what is the Scripture you are talking about.

Please use the REPLY choice so that we will all know who and what you are asking and please...always post the Scripture you post!

 

[Major]

You won't accept that Jesus came into the world proclaiming his word, delivering his message, speaking on behalf of God and is the power behind the message that saves people. And you won't accept the scriptures that identify Michael as the prince and the prince as the messiah. And don't reply to me saying, oh yes he is and he did all those things because you don't believe it.

And because you can't understand that Jesus did those things, you are practically denying he ever proclaimed his word or preached or heralded or announced the news of salvation to the world simply because you are hung up on the notion that he is a created angel which is NEVER said by the scriptures or by me.

USE THE REPLY option!

It is not my position to guess that Jesus IS BEYOND any doubt Michael.

That is for others to take that shaky ground.
A guessing game with no viable outcome

I will say simply Jesus is creator
Angels are created beings.

Oh i understand alright.
It has some pivital meaning for some people.

For me it is neither pivitol or a battle i will defend.

Kiss
"Keep it simple"

Now I am really confused by your own words.

YOU try to come across as some kind of well educated, know what you are talking about person...challenging others over Scripture
but then you say right out in the open that...........
"It is not my position to guess that Jesus IS BEYOND any doubt Michael.
That is for others to take that shaky ground.
A guessing game with no viable outcome".

It is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY as a Christian to give the correct and proper answer to any question asked to you!

Take your time and read this slowly and carefully ......1 Peter 3:15---
"But sanctify the LORD God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

As Paul said, in 2 Timothy 2:15.....
"Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" .

That is different than what you just said. A LOT Different!

"KISS" = GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS THE END OF IT!

 

[Major]

That's the reason you can't understand. Also, you ignore Daniel 9:25 which identifies the Messiah as the prince and Daniel 12:1 which identifies Michael as the prince. That's full circle identifying Michael the arch angel.

Angels are heralds. They are messengers. They were created. But Jesus who came into the world and preached the word, is the chief Herald over the created angels and man. He is the chief messenger of all the created messengers. That does not mean that Jesus himself is a created angel. Jesus created everything, including his word, he is the chief proclaimer, author and power behind it. None of that says he is a created angel, just that he is the arch angel over all creation.

Daniel 9:25 actually says.......
"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Where in that Scripture is a reference to an angel or Michael?

The original says Literally, an Anointed one, a prince, the two nouns being placed in apposition, and the article omitted before each, the person and the office of the person contemplated being sufficiently definite. He is to be “anointed,” that is, King and Priest at once
"THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE means "The Messiah" not Michael as Jesus Christ is the ONLY person in historty who can be called...KING and PRIEST.

 

[Major]

Perhaps it's not your position to learn truth either.

I like that!

 

[SophieT]

What part of that sentence says to Jesus "you are an angel?" You are making an assumption that when God says he didn't choose an angel (any of the created angels) or a man (any created man) to do the job Jesus did, that Jesus is one of the created heavenly angels. That's not said at all. That's a presumption you are making that isn't stated.

nearest wall: bang head and tell yourself he did not ignore all scripture posted in response to his Jesus is Michael theory

just kidding. but not about Jesus

 

[SophieT]

I now have asked you TWICE.

Now this is the 3rd time.

Please post where what I have Said that is way out of line. SPECIFICALLY! What have I said that is not Biblical????

YOU not lieing what I have said is not the same as "Being way out of line" Biblically."

NO ONE....has a gun to your head forcing you to post responces to me. Please feel free to say good bye any time you want to.

I enjoy responding to your opinions as you never seem o be able to post ANY Bible scripture to support anything you say....but again, if you are reading things you have never learned and they bother you, then you can do one of two thing...........

1. Say Good-bye and your stress is over.
2. YOU open YOUR Bible, READ it, do the study and work that I have done and be able to say that you are workman so that the Lord can say....well done!

Either way.....God bless you and thank you for your time, and I hope that because you do not agree with me that you do not continue th o think that I am the enemy.

ditto

you sure I am the one with stress?

oh you are not the enemy. you are only LISTENING to the enemy

 

[SophieT]

Please post where what I have Said that is way out of line. SPECIFICALLY! What have I said that is not Biblical????

smh

 

[Absolutely]

In hebrew 1 somewhere.

"....to which of his angela did he ever say, thou art my son....."

Angels

 

[Absolutely]

Perhaps it's not your position to learn truth either.

Makes no difference the cheap shots.

I can go toe to toe with anyone.

 

[DeanM]

archangel in the Greek is "chief angel" according to Strongs. Angels are created beings. Just thought I would throw that out there.

 

[CS1]

You won't accept that Jesus came into the world proclaiming his word, delivering his message, speaking on behalf of God and is the power behind the message that saves people. And you won't accept the scriptures that identify Michael as the prince and the prince as the messiah. And don't reply to me saying, oh yes he is and he did all those things because you don't believe it.

And because you can't understand that Jesus did those things, you are practically denying he ever proclaimed his word or preached or heralded or announced the news of salvation to the world simply because you are hung up on the notion that he is a created angel which is NEVER said by the scriptures or by me.

FYI Jesus is God in the Flesh which means it speaks of HIS eternal existence not a created being like an angel. Elohim means gods, and angels you must keep the context as t is given. in the New Testament Anglos = messager Jesus is never referred to as a Messager.

H came to testify of the Truth which HE said HE was the only Truth

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

FYI, I've made my case in the other thread. I come across scripture every day that confirms it. It's for consideration. Nothing more.

 

[Gardenias]

Where the Holy Spirit doesn't do the enlightenment of the word of God for a person in the flesh studying.....there in much confusion and error!

 

[Major]

smh

As I thought.

You will not post anything because there is nothing to post.

As usual in cases like this.....there is an opinion given because you do not like what has been told to you.
Instead of doing any investigative Bible study, you simply make unsustainable accusations and then just walk away.

In the professional media, they call what you so as ...."Drive By"!

 

[Major]

ditto

you sure I am the one with stress?

oh you are not the enemy. you are only LISTENING to the enemy

You seem to be!

You do not see me making any sarcastic and unprovable posts.

If I am listening to the enemy......how would you actually know Mrs. Sophie ?

You have not posted one single Bible Scripture to support any of your comments.

You have not posted one single thing where I have said anything that was not found in the Bible. No not one and I have asked you as nicely as possible 3 times to do so.

All you are doing is making personal comments about me and things you have no Bible support for.

 

[Absolutely]

If your responses were not so sarcastic and uninformed Biblically, they could be laughed at. However they make me sad that anyone would think what you are saying.

You actually, unknowingly said something Biblically correct in that the SIGN GIFTS were in fact "Temporary".
Just as recorded in Mark 16:14-18 those SIGN GIFTS were given to the Apostles. I know you do not like that but that is exactly what the Bible says.

Again.....correct. NO Apostles today so there can not be any healing done by a MAN today by blowing or knocking down people with the Holy Spirit.

Have YOU ever personally seen a demonically possessed person?????

You do realize what the actual words are in 1 Corinthians 13:8-10......right?
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall fail; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

Now again, please take the time to teach me something as I am really a good student. Please explain the meaning from your understanding of..............

1. they shall fail;
2. they shall cease
3. they shall vanish away.
4. then that which is in part (Temporary) shall be done away.

Knowledge will cease.? Vanish?

It must have disappeared also huh?

Hmmmm no more knowledge.

 

[Absolutely]

USE THE REPLY option!


Now I am really confused by your own words.

YOU try to come across as some kind of well educated, know what you are talking about person...challenging others over Scripture
but then you say right out in the open that...........
"It is not my position to guess that Jesus IS BEYOND any doubt Michael.
That is for others to take that shaky ground.
A guessing game with no viable outcome".

It is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY as a Christian to give the correct and proper answer to any question asked to you!

Take your time and read this slowly and carefully ......1 Peter 3:15---
"But sanctify the LORD God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

As Paul said, in 2 Timothy 2:15.....
"Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" .

That is different than what you just said. A LOT Different!

"KISS" = GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS THE END OF IT!

""It is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY as a Christian to give the correct and proper answer to any question asked to you!""

uh ....no...
i choose the battles i am in.

if you are that interested in the michael / Jesus dynamic, start a thread.

it is off topic, and basically IMO a watchtower rabbit trail.

it has been debunked.

read my hebrews quote.

....a very nice starting place.

 

[Absolutely]

USE THE REPLY option!


Now I am really confused by your own words.

YOU try to come across as some kind of well educated, know what you are talking about person...challenging others over Scripture
but then you say right out in the open that...........
"It is not my position to guess that Jesus IS BEYOND any doubt Michael.
That is for others to take that shaky ground.
A guessing game with no viable outcome".

It is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY as a Christian to give the correct and proper answer to any question asked to you!

Take your time and read this slowly and carefully ......1 Peter 3:15---
"But sanctify the LORD God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

As Paul said, in 2 Timothy 2:15.....
"Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" .

That is different than what you just said. A LOT Different!

"KISS" = GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS THE END OF IT!

i said plenty on it.

Stop acting like i didnt.

 

[Major]

""It is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY as a Christian to give the correct and proper answer to any question asked to you!""

uh ....no...
i choose the battles i am in.

if you are that interested in the michael / Jesus dynamic, start a thread.

it is off topic, and basically IMO a watchtower rabbit trail.

it has been debunked.

read my hebrews quote.

....a very nice starting place.

I am not interested at all.

There is nothing to debate. The Jesus is Michael the arch angel is a Jehovah Witness false teaching that can not be debated. It is categorically false hence there can be no debate.