50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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It's actually very difficult constructing a study on the hoof.
Logically I should go away for a few days and then come back....but it's a
forum so sometimes we throw things out to see what other people come back with.
You simply make everything unintelligible TDW so you don't help or elucidate in any way,
you just obfuscate. And seeing you dodge the simple question about Christ's return, I see now that
your behaviour is not accidental.
It's a stratagem. Wear people down with opaque convoluted garbage.
I feel a block coming on..........
Logically I should go away for a few days and then come back....but it's a
forum so sometimes we throw things out to see what other people come back with.
You simply make everything unintelligible TDW so you don't help or elucidate in any way,
you just obfuscate. And seeing you dodge the simple question about Christ's return, I see now that
your behaviour is not accidental.
It's a stratagem. Wear people down with opaque convoluted garbage.
I feel a block coming on..........
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This post is not proving the point you had (previously) been making, because you'd neglected to see that verse 28 (quoted here in your post ^ ) referred back to what He'd said in vv.1-4 (which you did not quote).
And there, in 14:1-4, where He says "3 And if I go [G4198 - 'journey' --same word as in Acts 1:10] I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where [/wherever / in whatever place / at whichever spot] I am, there ye may be also," I do not believe He is referring to the "a little while" spans of time in those verses (because of what He'd just told them in 13:33[3] "...Whither I go [G5217], ye cannot come"), but rather of the long-spans-of-time (from His Acts 1 ascension, when He did the G4189 'journey' thing, to/until the "far-future" point in the chronology).
And there, in 14:1-4, where He says "3 And if I go [G4198 - 'journey' --same word as in Acts 1:10] I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where [/wherever / in whatever place / at whichever spot] I am, there ye may be also," I do not believe He is referring to the "a little while" spans of time in those verses (because of what He'd just told them in 13:33[3] "...Whither I go [G5217], ye cannot come"), but rather of the long-spans-of-time (from His Acts 1 ascension, when He did the G4189 'journey' thing, to/until the "far-future" point in the chronology).
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I am likewise confused about these passages. I am confused about why people are confused. Very confusing....
Precious friend, how can a weak and Severely DIVIDED {GRACE} church
"overcome the son of Perdition"? {see next answer about this Confusion}
Well said, and if you have Confusion about The MEAT of end-times eschatology,
think about the MANY who are still Confused about The MILK Of God's Word!:
Severe DIVISION Of GRACE Through faith salvation vs faith+works salvation,
TWO baptisms {water/WITH The Holy Ghost} vs Paul's ONE BAPTISM BY The
ONE Spirit, walking BY faith VS "sight" seekers of signs, healings, miracles,
tongues, snake handling, etc...
Ok, I can do that: I believe the "date and time" Of The Opening Of This Current
"Age Of PURE GRACE," Was "The TRUMP {Voice} Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST, To
Saul/Paul in Acts 9: "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou ME!"
However, The CLOSING "Date" would be UNknown, When God's TRUMP Calls:
"My church, Come UP Hither," in Great GRACE Departure To Heaven! Amen?
Thus, ONLY WHEN "PURE GRACE" Is Ended, can God's JUDGMENT Begin!
More MEAT here, IF you wish:
Great GRACE {MYSTERY} Departure @ the 2nd coming {prophecy}?
Be Blessed!
"overcome the son of Perdition"? {see next answer about this Confusion}
Well said, and if you have Confusion about The MEAT of end-times eschatology,
think about the MANY who are still Confused about The MILK Of God's Word!:
Severe DIVISION Of GRACE Through faith salvation vs faith+works salvation,
TWO baptisms {water/WITH The Holy Ghost} vs Paul's ONE BAPTISM BY The
ONE Spirit, walking BY faith VS "sight" seekers of signs, healings, miracles,
tongues, snake handling, etc...
Ok, I can do that: I believe the "date and time" Of The Opening Of This Current
"Age Of PURE GRACE," Was "The TRUMP {Voice} Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST, To
Saul/Paul in Acts 9: "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou ME!"
However, The CLOSING "Date" would be UNknown, When God's TRUMP Calls:
"My church, Come UP Hither," in Great GRACE Departure To Heaven! Amen?
Thus, ONLY WHEN "PURE GRACE" Is Ended, can God's JUDGMENT Begin!
More MEAT here, IF you wish:
Great GRACE {MYSTERY} Departure @ the 2nd coming {prophecy}?
Be Blessed!
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Well, I admit it can be confusing... namely because, as I see it, He did indeed "ascend" ON His Resurrection Day [ON Firstfruit; John 20:17]--which I do think OldSage is acknowledging... (many do not, or do not see that at all)... and so the various passages here can indeed get a bit tedious to sort out... at least at first blush / cursory-glance, or apart from really studying it out, IMO... I dunno...
I will try to reign myself in next time temptation strikes.
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Again, how do they fall away before the man of sin even presents himself as a false god? My point is perhaps the verse has been misread for all this time and the "revealing" is when he is revealed to be a false god like when a masked bank robber is caught and then the mask is taken off and his true identity is "revealed".
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