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The perennial Acts 2.38 confusion .
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Since Jesus said we will all be judged by the contents of the word I can make an educated guess. God didn't expect people to learn Greek or Hebrew. He caused men to record exactly what He meant to convey in English as well as any other bible translation.
I don't think it is wise to teach others to avoid believing exactly what Acts 2:38 says. What is scary is you admit yourself you know the scripture states that sins are remitted in the waters of baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Post hoc rationalization and a denial of what 2.38 says . I recieved the Holy spirit as per Eph 1.13 .
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Thats ok. He wrote the bible in greek. Not english for a reason. Your english text is a translation.
then why do you do that very thing?
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I read acts 2: 38 as written. Not as translated by people in the 1600's thank you
Peter is addressing Israel . He has no gentile in mind ( Acts 11.19 ) It takes the Cornelius account for Peter to realise that also Gentiles were now granted repentance. So when Peter says ' for as many as the Lord our God shall call." He means Jews .
Which English Translation do you read Acts 2.38 the way you believe? Do you only read the Greek ? If so which Greek?
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Just as they were told to do
To Jerusalem first..
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
What part of that do you fail to understand?
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eternally-gratefull
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Peter did not teach to them a different Gospel
the penalty of sin is death. Not being baptized.
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I already asked you to show me one greek text which has baptism written in 2nd person plural
Can you show me one?
I did not see this until I could no more answer the problem of peter saying water baptism is required.
And no. I could not change the word to your way to make my belief fit. The gospel message has been the same from the begining. salvation by grace through faith. Period. Salvation has NEVER been of works.
The entire message is encompassed in verses 38 and 39. In all cases of compliance to Peter's message individuals do all things presented albeit in differing sequences. At no time is any part eliminated; ie, belief, repentance, water baptism or the infilling of the Holy Ghost.
What your asking is essentially, do I know more than those that translated on the Kjv . I do not . But your arguing with pretty much all English translations on Acts 2.38 .
No. The baptism of the Holy Spirit takes place when one gives their life to Jesus. This occurs most often when one kneels at an alter, but it can happen most anywhere.
Water baptism is
This speaks of a "spiritual" event. This does NOT say the Apostles were water baptized. Thanks though...
Those the Apostles water baptized were taught that such baptism was SYMBOLIC of dying with Jesus and being resurrected with Him.
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The fact remains that repent and gift of the spirit are second person plural object and subject where as be baptized is third person singular as related to remission of sin, NOT the gift of the spirit,
hence in no way was the gift of the spirit a result of being water baptized
spin it however you want, it’s is teaching salvation by ones own merit not by grace to say water baptism, not spirit baptism is how one receives remission of sin
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So you can not answer, that’s ok, because you will never find one
when the KJV was interpreted it was interpreted by texts of people,who believes water immersion baptism was required for salvation. So I would not expect them to see it any other way
but if you want to base your eternity on a translation, feel free
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Peter when Jesus asked him three times, do you love me. Did you know Jesus used two different words, having two different meanings, yet translated with one English word which has a variety of meanings?
people,go to the Greek all the time. Because the English language itself is flawed,
but you would rather support water baptismal regeneration that fight it, and that’s ok, do what you wish
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