Some polls say Jews are richer, older, and better educated than gentiles. Why?

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soberxp

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If we discuss Jesus' truth and offend Jewish recognition, shall we not speak the truth
 
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Scripture says they are already condemned. Here's more on the subject

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.


Was not Christ speaking to Jews when he said they don't know God the Father because they didn't know the son? Therefore this applies even today. Those that do not know Christ do not know his Father, God. This makes one a stranger to God despite natural bloodlines.


In fact Christ is quite direct about this fact:


John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
John 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.


They say God is their God but Christ says they are wrong and are liars. Yes, these are the leaders of the religion but that means what they believe and do is what the teach all the Jews so they represent that current state of Judaism. This also was no new thing:



Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Romans says there is a remnant that will be saved. Not the church, not Christians, Jews. Jews are now blinded for a time. But they will be saved according to Romans.
 
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This post is not about that they are condemned by the Lord, but about the blessings they have received from the Lord. Being condemned is not a blessing. Their blessings may be valueless in eternity, but a blessing is still a blessing.

By solving this mystery we would be solving the questions of our works for the Lord. We cannot work for salvation, it would be useless. Is there other value in works?
God promise to bless the Jews, He has. God keeps His promises. If He doesn't keep them for the Jews, He won't keep them for you. It's that simple.
 
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It says they will mourn but does not say anything about recognizing the Messiah.

The whole deceived world will morn:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

They will recognize Him whom they have pierced and morn. Why would they morn if it's not the Messiah? Him who they have pierced, they will recognize what they have done and mourn.
 
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lol.
NO! the devil can dole things out too.
to Christians? to members of Christ's body who love Him and walk in His Spirit (while not perfect, but being perfected) ?

yeah that must be it :rolleyes:
 
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kaylagrl

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Not if they are non-Christians.

Mar_10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

God made an unconditional promise that He would bless the Jews, and He has. So much so that there are conspiracy theories about their wealth and it was one of the reasons Hitler went after them. They moved into a barren desert and made it flourish. I have a book loaned to me which shows early pictures of Israel compared to today. If you can't see the blessing you're blind.
 

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Romans says there is a remnant that will be saved. Not the church, not Christians, Jews. Jews are now blinded for a time. But they will be saved according to Romans.
Are these Jews saved?

Mat_23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
 

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They will recognize Him whom they have pierced and morn. Why would they morn if it's not the Messiah? Him who they have pierced, they will recognize what they have done and mourn.
This isn't good mourning but a sad mourning. All those who rejected the Messiah shall mourn like this when they see Him. They will know their damnation is near.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
 

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God made an unconditional promise that He would bless the Jews, and He has. So much so that there are conspiracy theories about their wealth and it was one of the reasons Hitler went after them. They moved into a barren desert and made it flourish. I have a book loaned to me which shows early pictures of Israel compared to today. If you can't see the blessing you're blind.

It's blindness not to see they live in a war zone and none of them are safe nor their children. That is no blessing.
 
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It's blindness not to see they live in a war zone and none of them are safe nor their children. That is no blessing.

Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME, surrounded by enemies on every hand, yet they remain and not just remain they flourish. Though God has chastised them on one hand, He has greatly blessed them on the other.
 

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Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME, surrounded by enemies on every hand, yet they remain and not just remain they flourish. Though God has chastised them on one hand, He has greatly blessed them on the other.
That fact that unbelieving Israel has survived for over 70 years should give everyone pause. Even though surrounded by enemies on every side they both survived and thrived. While Christians wish that they would all be converted, God has planned "the time of Jacob's trouble". It will be manifested during the reign of the Antichrist. And only one third of worldwide Jewry will be saved. This is all according to Scripture, not conjecture.
 

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Maybe Jews are smarter with their money than gentiles? Credit card debt is rampid in the U.S. and considering the amount of people on welfare in this country I would think maybe the Jews are not as lazy as gentiles. At least in the U.S.
 

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Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME, surrounded by enemies on every hand, yet they remain and not just remain they flourish. Though God has chastised them on one hand, He has greatly blessed them on the other.
They haven't been blessed by God. Most of them don't even believe in God. This isn't even anything that is new.

Jer 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
 
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They haven't been blessed by God. Most of them don't even believe in God. This isn't even anything that is new.

Jer 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
you truly lack understanding of the OT...possibly the entire Bible it would seem :cautious:

let's just cut out everything in scripture that pertains to the Jewish people

but then don't ask where Jesus went
 

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Scripture says they are already condemned. Here's more on the subject.
Again, as I repeat, we know they are condemned. Polls of today give evidence that they are blessed in this life. Why are these condemned people blessed?
 

ewq1938

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Again, as I repeat, we know they are condemned. Polls of today give evidence that they are blessed in this life. Why are these condemned people blessed?
They aren't blessed. SOME of them have worldly wisdom and wealth so do SOME Arabs and SOME Chinese and SOME Japanese , SOME of all peoples around the world etc etc. The cartels in Mexico are super rich and many very smart people. Do you think God is blessing them too? Israel exists in a war zone and they have since 1948. That isn't a blessing nor was 70AD or the Holocaust.
 

DeanM

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They aren't blessed. SOME of them have worldly wisdom and wealth so do SOME Arabs and SOME Chinese and SOME Japanese , SOME of all peoples around the world etc etc. The cartels in Mexico are super rich and many very smart people. Doyou think God is blessing them too? Israel exists in a war zone and they have since 1948. That isn't a blessing nor was 70AD or the Holocaust.
Some would say the tribes were scattered to avoid extinction during the holocaust.
 

ewq1938

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Some would say the tribes were scattered to avoid extinction during the holocaust.
The point was that the Jews have been targeted for killing and abuse since party of the OT times. God says they forsook him and forgot him so these things came upon them. Some people say they are blessed but they look cursed to me. Speaking only of those who deny Jesus, not Jews who are Christians.
 

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One study is called the Pew Forum’s study of the American religious landscape. Here is some of their findings:

If you break down Pew’s Jewish numbers, you find that 55 percent of Reform Jews make over $100,000 a year–three times the national figure of 19 percent in America.

Other revelations are that 51 percent of Jews are 50 and older. The national average is 41 percent. Though mainline Protestants are also older in the same proportion: 51 percent

Now education. The national average for college or postgraduate education is 27 percent. Among Jews it is 59 percent. And as for mainline Protestants, 34 percent.

Most Jews live under the old covenant, and many things in that covenant are obsolete. However, it was written by our eternal God who speaks with eternal truths that never become obsolete. Cutting foreskin is obsolete, but that we are rewarded in this life for obedience is not. Check out the fruits of the spirit. The old covenant never, with its eternal truths, promised salvation for obedience. It was an eternal truth that bloodshed and faith were required for forgiveness of sin.

A major factor in Jewish life is based on how the Lord tells us to bring up children. The orthodox Jews begin memory work very early in a child’s life. We teach nursery rhymes, they teach scripture. It has been proven that the memory of a child begins much earlier than most people believe it does.

We are so blessed that we know Christ, it is so much greater than their blessings. They have the blindness God gave them to understanding the Messiah. That does not mean we must not look at the blessings they have from the Lord and wonder about them.
Amen really insightful post i point to the fact that 98 percent of the Bible or so is written by Jews who existed under the ot law , but also new the lords word of salvstion in the New Testament .

it sort of explains it well in scripture many don’t feel it’s worth some time to read any length but this is what happened

“And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.…In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land…

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭15:12-14, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

exodus Leviticus and numbers tell us the fulfillment of these things leading up until they are about to cross over Jordan and Moses dies before entering the promised land.

Now they receive the law and conditions for the promised land he was giving them based on the promise to Abram

“In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.



But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ 30:17-19

there are about 2-3 full pages of perpetual blessings for obedience of the nation and cleaving to the lord , and perpetual curses if Israel Broke the covenant and served other gods after they entered the land and God found them out beforehand and knew this part which is true we read of it beginning in (judges 2 )

“For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant……..for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.”

‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods presence with them found them to be as every gentile people sinners incapable of holiness by thier flesh.

When they entered into the promised land and abrams promise came to pass as the lord determined by his foreword of promise (genesis 15:12-end of 15)
Just as God foresaw they began to turn away from him and worship other gods

That then becomes the Old Testament story of isreal a repetitive thing like (judges 2:11-23 )describes this happened multiple times through multiple generations with multiple gods of multiple nations.

( Ezekiel 23) to the point God labeled the nation of Israel a whore who he formerly had been betrothed to but now would hand over to all the nations who’s gods she committed adulteries with.

And would choose another nation of people who were not a nation before he chose them basically God was fed up with Israel’s adulteries serving false gods

“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the Lord, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. Therefore thus saith the Lord God,

Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:

for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:1-3, 5, 7, 9, 12-13, 15-17‬ ‭

the new covenant is for the new earth to come the churches promised land but the ot is an example for us now that repentance is a need always in the lord because eventually the day of the lord will come we don’t want to end up in the desolation and curse but want to enter into the city God prepared for us and receive the inheritance of Abraham’s children born in Christ not in flesh

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬