It Hurts So Much

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Fire7

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I come here mostly to vent. And this time is no exception. And I know I won't get much sleep tonight until I get this off my chest.

I can't explain the situation detail for detail. But I posted a couple months ago about a christian brother who I had a crush on, in the "christian club." I got over him, to a degree, when a few weeks ago, I ran into this other brother from the group, as I was walking out of the library of the college, on my way home.
It was him and a couple of others just talking. This brother had caught my attention earlier, because of his seriousness about the faith. There was a maturity about him that I admired. And here I was running into him. We discussed some random things and ended up on the subject of the H-ly Spirit. Then he dropped the bomb--almost out of nowhere, that he used to be a homosexual...


To make a long story short, we developed a report, and I have been visiting his church over the past couple of weeks. We have stayed up late nights on the phone. He was incredibly warm to me to begin with. I was surprised that he remembered my name after the first time meeting me--when it was in the midst of such a large group, and spoke to me as he was driving down the road, and I couldn't even remember his. He would always speak to me, and I could fel the love coming from him. We made such a wonderful connection that day though. He shared his testimony that night over the phone, and it's just about identical to mine. So, he was trying to be a witness to me that I can be "delivered" from homosexuality.


He would tell me he loved me often, which just felt amazing. It felt pure. But eventually, I began to develop feelings for him, and eventually, he stopped tellin me he loved me. I expressed to him how important it was to hear it coming from him and how much it meant to me. But the more I stressed it, the less he expressed it. He felt that our relationship was becoming impure. I would drop little hints here and there, and we almost started borderline flirting over the phone. And he started calling less and less. The other night, I dropped a bomb on him when I told him how attracted I was to him and how beautiful I thought he was. He responded harshly and told me that he wouldn't tolerate scuh convesation, and that we could no longer talk over the phone after dark. I told him that I didn't understand how he could be so uptight, but that he, out of all people, should understand me. He responded that he does understand, but that he is very serious about his salvation and sanctification.


That was the last time he texted me in about 2 or 3 days, while I have called his phone, and sent him several long messages pouring my heart out. And today, I apologized, repented, and explained to him how sorry I am and how much I appreciate his friendship. But I've gotten no response at all. It has gone from us texting and talking on the phone almost every hour on the hour, in the beginning, to us not talking at all.


I just think to myself that this is another perfectly good relationship that I have ruined! I feel that I am toxic. Every single relationship or friendship that I have, I make an art out of messing it up! I always come off as too desperate. But this was one relationship that I thought would last. I only prove to myself over and over again that I am horrible at relating to people. But this particular one has reinforced and magnified all of my feelings of isolation, betrayal, rejection, and abandonement. I feel that he has done all of it, because he knws how I feel about thee things. Out of all people, he was supposed to understand me. I am confused and at a loss for thoughts as to how he could turn such a cold shoulder toward me after everything we have shared in such a short amount of time. He has fed me and given me the shoes off of his feet. But now, I can't help but feel that he hates me.
 
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We humans are feeble creatures... only the love of God is exempt from pollution.. Was your friend supposed to understand? or are you expecting what cant be my friend? God is closer to a person than his own juggular vein.. the sorrow you feel is also lived by Jesus. the process of salvation is to have your heart broken and broken and broken... the body broken and broken and broken.. thereby we suffer with God as he suffers for us out of Love.. I hope that you are granted the Grace of God to see the light in these dark times in your life... the light is bright and present... the test for us all is whether or not we choose to see the light.. the light is truth... the light in our lives is God... man has no answers, that is why he shouts and boasts as if he does... God has every answer but he chooses to be silent so that the true seeker finds him

To happy days ahead,
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thimsrebma

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I ont think he hates you but you have to understand where he is coming from. He feels that he has been delivered from homosexuality. And here comes this guy who wants to be friends, they become friends and then drops a bomb saying that he's attracted to him. He wants to stay as far away from those temptations as possible.

Lets say I have been delivered from heroin and then one day my good friend who knows about my past addiction starts talking about shootin up. I am gonna say "Hold on buddy, I dont wanna talk about that. You know how long I was hooked on that stuff?"

When you are trying to stay away from an addiction or behavior you are very careful of the things that you let into your mind and spirit.That may include conversation, music, TV etc. So that conversation was very inappropriate for him to have.
 
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EndlessGrace

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Relax. Trust God to write your love story.
 
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AnandaHya

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I ont think he hates you but you have to understand where he is coming from. He feels that he has been delivered from homosexuality. And here comes this guy who wants to be friends, they become friends and then drops a bomb saying that he's attracted to him. He wants to stay as far away from those temptations as possible.

Lets say I have been delivered from heroin and then one day my good friend who knows about my past addiction starts talking about shootin up. I am gonna say "Hold on buddy, I dont wanna talk about that. You know how long I was hooked on that stuff?"

When you are trying to stay away from an addiction or behavior you are very careful of the things that you let into your mind and spirit.That may include conversation, music, TV etc. So that conversation was very inappropriate for him to have.
I agree, I don't think he hates you but he thinks homosexuality is a sin and wants to turn from it and avoid all temptations. From your own words you have said you talked almost hourly, which seems overboard for a normal friendship or even normal relationship. My husband and I didn't talk that much when we were dating.

You just need to focus on the kingdom of God and doing His will. I don't really know what to say, but I doubt seriously that he hates you, from the sound of it he might like you quite a bit and that could be the issue.

Dear Lord Help deliver us from our sins and place us on the path of righteousness.
 
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NMsmile

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Fire7 - It's going to be all right. Learn from this. Ask God to give you discernment and his thoughts. God has a perfect plan for you and wants the very best for you. Don't internalize his actions. He is doing what Joseph did when Potiphar's wife came on to him ... fleeing the temptation. You are in my thoughts. Don't be hurt from this experience -- Learn from it.
 
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Psalm2713

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all the time I was reading this I thought you are a girl..... until I read Amber's comment.
I would totally understand if this guy didn't want to talk to you ever again.....( I am sorry).... Do you know that it is soooo not easy to break free from Homosexuality? yet he did it, that means he has been so determined to quit. and you show up and he is trying to reach out to you and you present a stumbling block before him.

you are right in that you were wrong almost every step along the way. He wanted to share his testimony of deliverance with you and you saw something totally different. you need healing, you need deliverance from this problem( Homosexuality). it's the only way you can restore the pure friendship you had with your friend.You need to get to a point where you can encourage each other in the new walk of( Heterosexuality?) normal sexuality. I would personally be happy to hear a good report when you have reached that point- ......I could consider marrying you :p
 
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REDMama

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Why are you tormenting yourself, don't you get enough from everyone else?

Be at peace, God wants peaceful minds for us all, and we do some of the work.
 
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Fire7

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It's amazing to me how I can be around him now, for hours, and he doesn't even acknowledge my presence. I really am having a hard time believing that he could be so

cruel--though not overtly... after all I have explained to him. Just what his silence is doing to me, I don't know if he understands or if he is just doing it deliberately. I wish
I could ignore it, but I can't stop thinking about the way he's responding.
 
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thimsrebma

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It's amazing to me how I can be around him now, for hours, and he doesn't even acknowledge my presence. I really am having a hard time believing that he could be so

cruel--though not overtly... after all I have explained to him. Just what his silence is doing to me, I don't know if he understands or if he is just doing it deliberately. I wish

I could ignore it, but I can't stop thinking about the way he's responding.

You have to look at it from his perspective. In his eyes you put a move on him. He doesnt want that. So he is ignoring you because he knows you like him. If he ignores you then he doesnt have to deal with it. How did you think he would respond?
 
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Ramon

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It's amazing to me how I can be around him now, for hours, and he doesn't even acknowledge my presence. I really am having a hard time believing that he could be so

cruel--though not overtly... after all I have explained to him. Just what his silence is doing to me, I don't know if he understands or if he is just doing it deliberately. I wish
I could ignore it, but I can't stop thinking about the way he's responding.
Well, this is truly a messy situation, but I hope the Lord will give me the words.

As a matter of fact, I think an old friend of mine has done the same thing, has turned words of hope into perversion. My friend, it might have been the Love of God you were witnessing in him, but you took it as being from him and not from the Lord. This is the perversion. The words of hope, and true Love, and compassion is something that homosexuals have wrong. It is taking the pure love of God and turning it into lust. My friend, homosexuality is not of God. It is a perversion of Satan. It is a stronghold.

This friend of yours has been blessed to escape it, and not to be enticed again to engage in it. AND JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONE WHO DOES THIS! It is an untouchable love. I will pray my friend.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Fire7

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You have to look at it from his perspective. In his eyes you put a move on him. He doesnt want that. So he is ignoring you because he knows you like him. If he ignores you then he doesnt have to deal with it. How did you think he would respond?

It's not like I'm going to stalk him or something or make a move on him. But I guess you ar right. I would probably respond the same way if it was someone I didn't like. I just felt such a connection to him, that it doesn't seem right how it was cut off suddenly. Maybe I just think like an alien from outer space, or I am just so introverted that I'm missing something when it comes to how people think. You personally are on the outside looking in and don't know every single thing that transpired, so naturally, you wouldn't fully understand why I feel like I do about the matter.
 
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Ramon

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It's not like I'm going to stalk him or something or make a move on him. But I guess you ar right. I would probably respond the same way if it was someone I didn't like. I just felt such a connection to him, that it doesn't seem right how it was cut off suddenly. Maybe I just think like an alien from outer space, or I am just so introverted that I'm missing something when it comes to how people think. You personally are on the outside looking in and don't know every single thing that transpired, so naturally, you wouldn't fully understand why I feel like I do about the matter.
My friend, not to him, but to the witness of Jesus in him. He doesn't hate you I am sure, but he shuns sin, and does not desire to engage in it. As I said I have a friend that has, I believe done the same thing concerning me. He wanted to tell me about it. So not so much as outside looking in.

You need to be looking to Jesus for comfort my friend. You are looking to flesh and that way you will only get disappointment (This is the case with anyone whether male to female, male to male or female to female). But as a friend I tell you that anyone who sows to the flesh will reap corruption of the flesh. Anyone that sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap eternal life.

If you ignore God you will always fail, but if you go to him in humility, to understand, he will show you the Truth.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Fire7

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My friend, not to him, but to the witness of Jesus in him. He doesn't hate you I am sure, but he shuns sin, and does not desire to engage in it. As I said I have a friend that has, I believe done the same thing concerning me. He wanted to tell me about it. So not so much as outside looking in.

You need to be looking to Jesus for comfort my friend. You are looking to flesh and that way you will only get disappointment (This is the case with anyone whether male to female, male to male or female to female). But as a friend I tell you that anyone who sows to the flesh will reap corruption of the flesh. Anyone that sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap eternal life.

If you ignore God you will always fail, but if you go to him in humility, to understand, he will show you the Truth.

May Jesus bless you.

If G-d was as tangible as a human being, trust me, I would be giving Him all of the attention, instead. But let's be real. I can't carry on a 2-way conversation with G-d all night long. Nor can I experience him with my 5 senses. Of course, your philosophy sounds good, but it's not my reality.
 
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Ramon

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If G-d was as tangible as a human being, trust me, I would be giving Him all of the attention, instead. But let's be real. I can't carry on a 2-way conversation with G-d all night long. Nor can I experience him with my 5 senses. Of course, your philosophy sounds good, but it's not my reality.
:) May Jesus bless you my friend with much Grace, Mercy and Truth!!!! I love you in Jesus. Someone talked before about one's reality and how it differs. I am thankful I heard that message.

The most powerful love, as you have experienced I am sure is that intangible love. Let me explain:

I once had a crush on this girl, and I loved everything about her, even the way she looked when she was angry. I was sure this was love, and when I asked her out I was so nervous. It was as if I was proposing. I had never done something so bold. I trembled. And I was SOOOO happy when she said yes.

Well, it did not last that long, as her eyes wondered elsewhere. She was my neighbor and one day she moved. OH HOW I LONGED TO SEE HER!!! OH HOW I LONGED FOR HER! I looked at my window watching, waiting for her to come back. My souls felt like it was in hell. I could not speak. Days and nights and mourning in my throat. WILL SHE BE BACK? WILL SHE COME BACK TO ME? It was as if my love was an arm reaching for her but could not find her. No other girl was enough if she wasn't her. Do you know this love? Do you know this passion?

No my friend. You don't neither did I. I am glad I experienced this, in fact she did come back and I had hope she would take me back but she was cold against me. This is the worst shame a person could deal with. But you don't know this love yet.

My friend, this Love God has for us is intangible, YET WE CAN FEEL IT!!! YES!! And as we get closer and closer to him, he gets closer and closer to us. He draws us with his love to HIM and not to people. Now I am sure that NO PERSON on earth can recreate this love, it will all just be vanity and vexation of Spirit. Solomon had many wives, but he could only come to this conclusion. I had one girlfriend and it was enough to come to this conclusion. People will reject you but the Lord won't. He will show you how to bring your own desires into subjection to his Spirit. And before you know it you will be changed, and you will be able to minister to people that have been in your place.

I hope this made sense.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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thimsrebma

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It's not like I'm going to stalk him or something or make a move on him. But I guess you ar right. I would probably respond the same way if it was someone I didn't like. I just felt such a connection to him, that it doesn't seem right how it was cut off suddenly. Maybe I just think like an alien from outer space, or I am just so introverted that I'm missing something when it comes to how people think. You personally are on the outside looking in and don't know every single thing that transpired, so naturally, you wouldn't fully understand why I feel like I do about the matter.
You are right, because I am an outsider I don't know all the details or exactly how you feel. But thats why I have a more logical perception. I dont think you think like an alien but are being a little self absorbed.

This whole situation is all about you and how you feel right now, not at all about how he feels and the position you put him in. Yeah you probably wont stalk him but he doesnt want to communicate with you if you like him. He might think you'll try to put the moves on him again.

He loves you as a brother in Christ should and thought he could help minister to you because he was once where you are. He now realizes that either he cannot minister to you about it, at least not right now.

I think you have to just move on. You cant wronbg someone and expect them to come right back to you with open arms. It just doesnt work that way.
 
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Fire7

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Thank you all for your advice.


Though I can give him the benefit of the doubt about the amount of time we spent on the phone. He is a person who normally spends long periods of time on the phone talking to people . He told me how when he was younger, he used to get cursed out for running up his mother's phone bill. He's just a person who has a lot to say. As I said, he's very mature. I understand he used to hang around a lot of old people, which is probably why he acts twice his age.


But I think that both of our motives were innocent in the beginning. I wasn't thinking or feeling anything sexual when we made contact... maybe until he told me about his initiation into homosexuality; that was kind of stimulating in a bizzare way... but other than that, I only started really feeling emotionally attached to him the more I hung around him and experienced his personality...although I did have some subtle attraction to him before our encounter that day.


To be clear, I didn't go into this relationship expecting romance. The romance part came later. And it is the other way around: he already had a couple of close christian male friends who had shared in his struggles and overcome with him... who are just as spiritual as he is. So, I was not encouraging him in anything other than being a mentor to me. It was him who was trying to encourage me.


But he did not initially realize that this was still such a part of me. I think that because I was a part of the christian club, in addition to some of the things I had said in the meetings, he was under the impression that I was "delivered", or either me confessing my struggle to him had delivered me (which I believe the case to be because of some things that were said...). He may have been a little presumtuous in thinking that his exposing my hidden "sin" had delievered me. But I later let him know that it was not something I felt I needed to give up.
 
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Brandon777

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Grace be to you in abundance my brother. You're hurt flows directly as a result of that sin that you committed against yourself, your friend and most dearly, God (Romans 1). Taking the step forward in an advance toward your friend is a just cause for him to move back. The Bible makes that clear as with the story of Pottifer's wife.
To be clear, I didn't go into this relationship expecting romance. The romance part came later.
There was no romance to be said because your friend did the right thing by avoiding you.

This is the perfect platform to learn to love and lean on God for support instead of hurt-spreading mankind. The only man who didn't hurt someone is Jesus. Pray. But when you pray, don't carry on a 2-way conversation. Just one. Never make an assumption for what God will say, only wait for what He does say. If He doesn't say anything, find out why.
 
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misterc

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I can empathize with both of you. For you, this must feel like a terrible rejection and like you've lost a friend. For him, he might be confused because he wonders if he caused sin and/ or heartbreak. I'm sure this was painful and upsetting to both of you.

Make more friends, and try to keep those friendships pure. Maybe you should try being a part of a group of friends that do things together in a group and not be alone and all intimate with one guy for long periods of time. It might just cause this pain to recur.

Similarly I try not to spend hours and hours in intimate situations alone with the opposite sex for the same reason. If I don't want to stumble, I don't go sit in the dark and cuddle with a person of the opposite sex. Sometimes you have to guard your heart. Does that make sense? I know you weren't cuddling in the dark, but these long hours on the phone seem like they were getting a little too emotionally intimate for you to handle. Seek Godly counsel and pray to be set free from this struggle. Do what you have to do to avoid certain situations that cause you to stumble.

I will pray for you and I am sorry you are confused and hurting.
 
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Fire7

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Thank you all for your insight. long or short, I can appreciate everything you have said. And I am taking these things into account.

I know that it's easy for people to call me "selfish" and "self absorbed" because of this. That's all well and good. But I can't help how I feel about this man. I now regret ever coming in contact with him, because I got attached to him, and he just dropped me like a bad habit--not like I am a human being. How could I not feel betrayed, when we became so close? Everyone is telling that I'm not concerned about his feelings. But it also feels like he is not concerned about mine. I have told him how sorry I am that I allowed things to get out of balance. Though it's like nothing I say is good enough for him to forgive me. How can you be a christian and just completely ignore a person who is in your presence? Not speak, not acknowledge my existence? That, to me, is not love either. If it is, it sure doesn't feel like it! How could he be so cold and lifeless towards me? That is what hurts