The perennial Acts 2.38 confusion .

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TheLearner

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That Paul a saved person is telling saved People that the Jews and Gentiles are still distinct from the Church.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28
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28 Now, in Christ, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or free, male or female. You are all the same in Christ Jesus.
 

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Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28
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28 Now, in Christ, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or free, male or female. You are all the same in Christ Jesus.
Yes ,but it doesn't say we become Israel
 

Wansvic

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They got the HS because their sins were already remitted.

the HS can not enter a body under the penalty of sin.

water baptism occured after they were already washed by the Hs.

not after not during
I do not agree with your assessment. Scriptures indicate a connection between obedience to water baptism and remission of sin.
 
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I do not agree with your assessment. Scriptures indicate a connection between obedience to water baptism and remission of sin.
Thats ok.

Remission of sin has NEVER been accomplished through water baptism. If it is required. We have thousands maybe millions of people who will not be in heaven. Including all OT saints who did not get the message. And my sister in law (god bless her soul) who because of medical condition was not allowed to be immersed (baptized) in water. Inspite of her desire. could not be baptized.

Yeah. Believe as you will
 

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Thats ok.

Remission of sin has NEVER been accomplished through water baptism. If it is required. We have thousands maybe millions of people who will not be in heaven. Including all OT saints who did not get the message. And my sister in law (god bless her soul) who because of medical condition was not allowed to be immersed (baptized) in water. Inspite of her desire. could not be baptized.

Yeah. Believe as you will
We know that water baptism in Jesus name was commanded for believers of the NT, it did not apply to OT saints. (Luke 24:47) Jesus said narrow is the gate and few there be that find it. I am just sharing God's word. We also know we serve a merciful and just God.
 
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We know that water baptism in Jesus name was commanded for believers of the NT, it did not apply to OT saints. (Luke 24:47) Jesus said narrow is the gate and few there be that find it. I am just sharing God's word. We also know we serve a merciful and just God.
Yep Narrow is the gate.

As Paul said in Gal 2 and 3. That salvation by grace through faith was showed through the abrahamic promise. and that it would be given to all people of all nations through the seed that is in christ. And we would be saved as abraham was. Abraham believed and it was accounted to him as righteousness (justified)

No water baptism now or then.

Yes, It is commanded. Yet so is assembling together. feeding the poor. Taking communion etc etc. Works OF FAITH. not works to be saved.
 

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John the Baptist was a Mosaic law adherent Jew, sent to other Mosaic law adherent Jews.

Jesus & the 12 were also Mosaic law adherent Jews sent to other Mosaic law adherent Jews.

Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(MY NOTE: Jesus tells the 12. Don't go to GENTILES!)

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(MY NOTE: Jesus sends the 12 to the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

Matt 15:24 Messiah answered & said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(MY NOTE: Jesus say's; He's been sent, ONLY, to the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

Rom 15:8 I say that Messiah was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(MY NOTE: While alive Jesus was a minister of the circumcision/Jews, NOT GENTILES)

Back to the Baptist:

The notion that John the Baptist a God chosen son of a temple priest, Mosaic law abiding Jew. & (Lk 1:1-36) Was in wilderness of Judea baptizing gentiles is antithetical to scripture.

These same Jews, stoned Stephen to death, beat the apostles, see what they did to Paul: Acts 9:29, 13:50, 14:5, 16:22-23, 18:12, 20:23, 21:31, 22:22, 23:3, 2 Cor 11:24-26 & had Jesus their long promised KILLED!

Acts 10:28 Peter tells the gentile Cornelius "IT'S UNLAWFUL" for a Jew to keep company with a gentile)

Jews to include Jesus (Matt 15:26) often referred to Gentiles as "dogs" (Matt 7:6; Lk 16:21)

Gentiles were considered so ungodly/unclean = to a dog. Just being in the presence of a gentile could make a Jew ceremonially unclean (Jn 18:28)

Acts 21:28-36 Jews that were aware of Paul's dealings with gentiles, throw Paul out of the Temple, begin to beat him to death. Roman soldiers show up & pull Paul from the mob.

Acts 21:37- Acts 22:20: Paul reasons with the Roman in charge & is allowed to address the crowd. They listen to Paul's conversion testimony until verse 21:

Acts 22:21 Paul say's he was sent to proclaim God to the GENTILES & the Jewish crowd goes ballistic & tries to KILL Paul.

The idea that a Temple Mt full of devote Mosaic law adherent Jews just stood by & remained peaceful. While John the Baptist is baptizing Gentiles is unscriptural as well.

Additionally:
No gentile receive the Acts 2:4 baptism of Holy Spirit on Temple Mt during the 1st post resurrection Pentecost. Not only for the same reasons at I gave above.

It's in Acts 10 that the 1st gentiles receive Christs baptism in/with His indwelling Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

(MY NOTE: It was YEARS earlier at Pentecost that "Jews Only" received the Holy Spirit.)

If gentiles received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost? Why, years later, are Peter & the Jews with him are ASTONISHED!

Acts 11:
15And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
(MY NOTE: When Peter returns to Church in Jerusalem. He tells Christ believing Jews what had happened at the gentile/Cornelius house.)

BTW: These gentiles received Christ's salvation sealing Holy Spirit baptism: NO repentance, no water baptism, no Mosaic law keeping, no circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, underwent no mikveh.

It's by FAITH & FAITH ALONE these gentiles received Christ's salvation sealing Holy Spirit baptism. 10:38 God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit & power: (Vs 39) we are witnesses that the Jews had Him killed/HE DIED (Vs 40) and ROSE on the 3rd day. Gentiles were not part of the early Church in Jerusalem.)

Finally:
Aprox 14 yrs later at the Jerusalem Council (50-51 AD). We see the same Mosaic law adherent, unbelieving Pharisees that killed Jesus & Stephen, beat & killed most of the apostles trying(unsuccessfully) to put gentiles under Mosaic laws.

Today's Gospel of Salvation message is:

Source Amplified Bible
1 Cor 15
1 Now brothers and sisters, let me remind you [once again] of the good news [of salvation] which I preached to you, which you welcomed and accepted and on which you stand [by faith].

2 By this faith you are saved [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose], if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain [just superficially and without complete commitment].

3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians+15&version=AMP

(MY NOTE: Vrs 1-4 Recap: The gospel of Salvation is: "Christ died for our sins was buried & rose again the third day")

Rom 5:
1 Therefore, since we have been justified [that is, acquitted of sin, declared blameless before God] by faith, [let us grasp the fact that] we have peace with God [and the joy of reconciliation with Him] through our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed).

2 Through Him we also have access by faith into this [remarkable state of] grace in which we [firmly and safely and securely] stand. Let us rejoice in our [a]hope and the confident assurance of [experiencing and enjoying] the glory of [our great] God [the manifestation of His excellence and power].
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+5&version=AMP

(MY NOTE: Vrs 1-2 recap: We access salvation/justification = Judicially declared righteous by a sovereign Creator God. By placing our FAITH in Jesus sin atoning sacrifice. Found in His death (sins required wage, PAID) burial (proof Jesus died) & resurrection (Father's receipt, sins payment received & accepted.)
 

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I think we have an entirely different message when we try use Acts 2.38 for today.
 

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BTW: These gentiles received Christ's salvation sealing Holy Spirit baptism: NO repentance, no water baptism, no Mosaic law keeping, no circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, underwent no mikveh.
Do you realize that the Jews at Pentecost received the Holy Ghost just as the Gentiles did prior to being water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus? The Jews experience (Acts 2) was no different than the Gentiles. (Acts 10:44-48) This is evidenced by Jesus statement that repentance AND remission of sin would be preached IN HIS NAME beginning in Jerusalem. Peter stated that everyone must repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin at Pentecost. (Acts 2:38)

The baptism of repentance was introduced by John. (Luke 3:3, 3:8) The baptism of repentance was later modified to include the name of the Lord Jesus after His death, burial and resurrection. People who had only been obedient to John's baptism had to be re-baptized in water in Jesus' name. (Acts 19:1-6) There is no record that this requirement ever ceased.

Lastly, repentance is required of everyone not just Jews. (Luke 13:3, Acts 26:20, Rev 2:5)
 

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Amen! And little do Many know about the Consequences of Galatians 1:6-9 KJB!
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The context of both Galatians 1 and 2 make it clear that Paul was talking about people saying NT believers had to keep the OT law. This has nothing to do with pointing out the required obedience to the NT mandate associated with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
 

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Yep Narrow is the gate.

As Paul said in Gal 2 and 3. That salvation by grace through faith was showed through the abrahamic promise. and that it would be given to all people of all nations through the seed that is in christ. And we would be saved as abraham was. Abraham believed and it was accounted to him as righteousness (justified)

No water baptism now or then.

Yes, It is commanded. Yet so is assembling together. feeding the poor. Taking communion etc etc. Works OF FAITH. not works to be saved.
Assembling together, feeding the poor, taking communion, etc. are expected behaviors of born again believers. None of these behaviors are given as requirements in connection with the NT spiritual rebirth process. (Acts 2, 8, 10, 19...)

As Paul indicates we all must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It's all about being obedient to God's wishes. (Php 2:12)
 

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Yes ,but it doesn't say we become Israel
I never said that the church becomes israel.



But if one wants to deal with the case for the church is israel now, here you go.

Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
 

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Do you realize that the Jews at Pentecost received the Holy Ghost just as the Gentiles did prior to being water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus? The Jews experience (Acts 2) was no different than the Gentiles. (Acts 10:44-48) This is evidenced by Jesus statement that repentance AND remission of sin would be preached IN HIS NAME beginning in Jerusalem. Peter stated that everyone must repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin at Pentecost. (Acts 2:38)

Lastly, repentance is required of everyone not just Jews. (Luke 13:3, Acts 26:20, Rev 2:5)

We've had unfruitful water baptism exchanges in the past. I'll reply once in this thread & trust others to make their own decisions.

The 120 that were in the upper room did in fact receive the Christ's gift Holy Spirit void of water baptism. They understood that Jesus was their long promised Messiah & He'd died for their sins, was buried & rose again.

The other Jews on the Temple Mt hear this from Peter:

Acts 2:
Jesus proved He was Messiah thru miracles, sings & wonders (Vs 22). You had Him crucified & killed (Vs 23). God raised Him from the dead (Vs 24). You are eye eyewitness that the Father's promise of the Holy Ghost is hear right now (Vs 33).

Yes! YOU crucified your long promised Messiah/redeemer (Vs 36). They now understand who Jesus was & what He'd done & asked Peter, what shall we do? (Vs 37).

Peter says REPRNT from UNBELIEF IN & KILLING your Messiah (not your everyday sins). Then be baptized in the the ALL Authoritative Name of Jesus & u will receive God's indwelling H/S & ALL your sins will receive full pardon. Water is just water, Faith in the Name of Jesus, His sacrifice & resurrection is Everything!

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
(NOTE: Vs Key is found in the article "TOWARD". Repentance TOWARD God & faith TOWARD Christ)

Context: REPENT from UNBELIEF/REJECTING (not everyday personal sins) Jesus the Christ.

Jn 12:22 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw """all""" men unto me.
(MY NOTE: Jesus was in fact lifted up on a cross & from the grave & will draw ALL to Himself)

Jn 16:
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit will reprove/expose/convict everyone of, sins? NO of "SIN" singular.)

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

(MY NOTE: The only SIN that condemns one to eternal separation/damnation is UNBELIEF/rejecting Christ's sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection until life's end. Faith in Jesus sin payment & resurrection takes away/removes every other sin)

Jn 8:24 Jesus said; ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
 

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Galatians 1-6
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1 Greetings from Paul, an apostle. I was chosen to be an apostle, but not by any group or person here on earth. My authority came from none other than Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Jesus from death. 2 Greetings also from all those in God’s family who are with me.

To the churches in Galatia[a]:

3 I pray that God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ will be good to you and give you peace. 4 Jesus gave himself for our sins to free us from this evil world we live in. This is what God our Father wanted. 5 The glory belongs to God forever and ever. Amen.

There Is Only One Good News Message
6 A short time ago God chose you to follow him. He chose you through his grace that came through Christ. But now I am amazed that you are already turning away and believing something different from the Good News we told you. 7 There is no other message that is the Good News, but some people are confusing you. They want to change the Good News about Christ. 8 We told you the true Good News message. So anyone who tells you a different message should be condemned—even if it’s one of us or even an angel from heaven! 9 I said this before. Now I say it again: You have already accepted the Good News. Anyone who tells you another way to be saved should be condemned!

10 Now do you think I am trying to make people accept me? No, God is the one I am trying to please. Am I trying to please people? If I wanted to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Paul’s Authority Is From God
11 Brothers and sisters, I want you to know that the Good News message I told you was not made up by anyone. 12 I did not get my message from any other human. The Good News is not something I learned from other people. Jesus Christ himself gave it to me. He showed me the Good News that I should tell people.

13 You have heard about my past life in the Jewish religion. I persecuted the church of God very much. I tried to destroy his people. 14 I was becoming a leader in the Jewish religion. I did better than most other Jews my own age. I tried harder than anyone else to follow the traditions we got from our ancestors.

15 But God had special plans for me even before I was born. So he chose me through his grace. 16 It pleased him to let me see and know his Son so that I could tell the Good News about him to the non-Jewish people. I immediately prepared to do this work without asking for advice or help from anyone. 17 I did not go to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was. But, without waiting, I went away to Arabia. Later, I went back to the city of Damascus.

18 Three years later I went to Jerusalem to meet Peter. I stayed with him 15 days. 19 I met no other apostles—only James, the brother of the Lord. 20 God knows there is nothing untrue in any of this. 21 Later, I went to the areas of Syria and Cilicia.

22 No one in any of Christ’s churches in Judea had ever met me before. 23 They had only heard this about me: “This man was persecuting us. But now he is telling people about the same faith that he once tried to destroy.” 24 These believers praised God because of me.

The Other Apostles Accepted Paul
2 After 14 years I went back to Jerusalem with Barnabas and took Titus with me. 2 I went there because God showed me that I should go. I explained to them the message that I tell the non-Jewish people. I also met alone with those who were considered to be the leaders. I wanted to be sure we were in agreement so that my past work and the work I do now would not be wasted.

3 Titus, who was with me, is a Greek. But these leaders still did not force him to be circumcised. 4 We needed to talk about these problems, because some who pretended to be our brothers had come into our group secretly. They came in like spies to find out about the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to make us slaves, 5 but we did not agree with anything those false brothers wanted. We wanted the truth of the Good News to continue for you.

6 Those men who were considered to be important did not change the Good News message I tell people. (It doesn’t matter to me if they were “important” or not. To God everyone is the same.) 7 But these leaders saw that God had given me a special work, the same as Peter. God gave Peter the work of telling the Good News to the Jews. But God gave me the work of telling the Good News to the non-Jewish people. 8 God gave Peter the power to work as an apostle for the Jewish people. God gave me the power to work as an apostle too, but for those who are not Jews. 9 James, Peter, and John seemed to be the leaders. And they saw that God had given me this special gift of ministry, so they accepted Barnabas and me. They said to us, “We agree that you should go to those who are not Jews, and we will go to the Jews.” 10 They asked us to do only one thing—to remember to help those who are poor. And this was something that I really wanted to do.

Paul Shows That Peter Was Wrong
11 When Peter came to Antioch, he did something that was not right. I stood against him, because he was wrong. 12 This is what happened: When Peter first came to Antioch, he ate and associated with the non-Jewish people. But when some Jewish men came from James, Peter separated himself from the non-Jews. He stopped eating with them, because he was afraid of the Jews who believe that all non-Jewish people must be circumcised. 13 So Peter was a hypocrite. The other Jewish believers joined with him, so they were hypocrites too. Even Barnabas was influenced by what these Jewish believers did. 14 They were not following the truth of the Good News. When I saw this, I spoke to Peter in front of everyone. I said, “Peter, you are a Jew, but you don’t live like one. You live like someone who is not a Jew. So why are you trying to force those who are not Jewish to live like Jews?”

15 We are Jews by birth. We were not born “sinners,” as we call those who are not Jews. 16 But we know that no one is made right with God by following the law. It is trusting in[c] Jesus Christ that makes a person right with God. So we have put our faith in Christ Jesus, because we wanted to be made right with God. And we are right with him because we trusted in[d] Christ—not because we followed the law. I can say this because no one can be made right with God by following the law.

17 We Jews came to Christ to be made right with God, so it is clear that we were sinners too. Does this mean that Christ makes us sinners? Of course not. 18 But I would be wrong to begin teaching again those things that I gave up. 19 It was the law itself that caused me to end my life under the law. I died to the law so that I could live for God. I have been nailed to the cross with Christ. 20 So I am not the one living now—it is Christ living in me. I still live in my body, but I live by faith in[e] the Son of God. He is the one who loved me and gave himself to save me. 21 I am not the one destroying the meaning of God’s grace. If following the law is how people are made right with God, then Christ did not have to die.

God’s Blessing Comes Through Faith
3 You people in Galatia are so foolish! Why do I say this? Because I told you very clearly about the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. But now it seems as though you have let someone use their magical powers to make you forget. 2 Tell me this one thing: How did you receive the Spirit? Did you receive the Spirit by following the law? No, you received the Spirit because you heard the message about Jesus and believed it. 3 You began your life in Christ with the Spirit. Now do you try to complete it by your own power? That is foolish. 4 You have experienced many things. Were all those experiences wasted? I hope they were not wasted! 5 Does God give you the Spirit because you follow the law? Does God work miracles among you because you follow the law? No, God gives you his Spirit and works miracles among you because you heard the message about Jesus and believed it.
 

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6 The Scriptures say the same thing about Abraham. “Abraham believed God, and because of this faith he was accepted as one who is right with God.”[f] 7 So you should know that the true children of Abraham are those who have faith. 8 The Scriptures told what would happen in the future. These writings said that God would make the non-Jewish people right through their faith. God told this Good News to Abraham before it happened. God said to Abraham, “I will use you to bless all the people on earth.”[g] 9 Abraham believed this, and because he believed, he was blessed. All people who believe are blessed the same as Abraham was.

10 But people who depend on following the law to make them right are under a curse. As the Scriptures say, “They must do everything that is written in the law. If they do not always obey, they are under a curse.”[h] 11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by the law. The Scriptures say, “The one who is right with God by faith will live forever.”

12 The law does not depend on faith. No, it says that the only way a person will find life by the law is to obey its commands.[j] 13 The law says we are under a curse for not always obeying it. But Christ took away that curse. He changed places with us and put himself under that curse. The Scriptures say, “Anyone who is hung on a tree[k] is under a curse.”[l] 14 Because of what Jesus Christ did, the blessing God promised to Abraham was given to all people. Christ died so that by believing in him we could have the Spirit that God promised.

The Law and the Promise
15 Brothers and sisters, let me give you an example from everyday life: Think about an agreement that one person makes with another. After that agreement is made official, no one can stop it or add anything to it, and no one can ignore it. 16 God made promises to Abraham and his Descendant.[m] The Scripture does not say, “and to your descendants.” That would mean many people. But it says, “and to your Descendant.” That means only one, and that one is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: The agreement that God gave to Abraham was made official long before the law came. The law came 430 years later. So the law could not take away the agreement and change God’s promise.

18 Can following the law give us the blessing God promised? If we could receive it by following the law, then it would not be God’s promise that brings it to us. But God freely gave his blessings to Abraham through the promise God made.

19 So what was the law for? The law was given to show the wrong things people do. The law would continue until the special Descendant of Abraham came. This is the Descendant mentioned in the promise, which came directly from God. But the law was given through angels, and the angels used Moses as a mediator to give the law to the people. 20 But when God gave the promise, there was no mediator, because a mediator is not needed when there is only one side, and God is one.[n]

The Purpose of the Law of Moses
21 Does this mean that the law works against God’s promises? Of course not. The law was never God’s way of giving new life to people. If it were, then we could be made right with God by following the law. 22 But this is not possible. The Scriptures put the whole world in prison under the control of sin, so that the only way for people to get what God promised would be through faith in[o] Jesus Christ. It is given to those who believe in him.

23 Before this faith came, the law held us as prisoners. We had no freedom until God showed us the way of faith that was coming. 24 I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith. 25 Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law to be our guardian.

26-27 You were all baptized into Christ, and so you were all clothed with Christ. This shows that you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 28 Now, in Christ, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or free, male or female. You are all the same in Christ Jesus. 29 You belong to Christ, so you are Abraham’s descendants. You get all of God’s blessings because of the promise that God made to Abraham.
 

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4 This is what I am saying: When young children inherit all that their father owned, they are still no different from his slaves. It doesn’t matter that they own everything. 2 While they are children, they must obey those who are chosen to care for them. But when they reach the age the father set, they are free. 3 It is the same for us. We were once like children, slaves to the useless rules[p] of this world. 4 But when the right time came, God sent his Son, who was born from a woman and lived under the law. 5 God did this so that he could buy the freedom of those who were under the law. God’s purpose was to make us his children.

6 Since you are now God’s children, he has sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts. The Spirit cries out, “ Abba,[q] Father.” 7 Now you are not slaves like before. You are God’s children, and you will receive everything he promised his children.

Paul’s Love for the Galatian Believers
8 In the past you did not know God. You were slaves to gods that were not real. 9 But now you know the true God. Really, though, it is God who knows you. So why do you turn back to the same kind of weak and useless rules you followed before? Do you want to be slaves to those things again? 10-11 It worries me that you follow teachings about special days, months, seasons, and years. I fear that my work for you has been wasted.

12 Brothers and sisters, I became like you. So please become like me. You were very good to me before. 13 You know that I came to you the first time because I was sick. That was when I told the Good News to you. 14 My sickness was a burden to you, but you did not stop showing me respect or make me leave. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel from God. You accepted me as if I were Jesus Christ himself! 15 You were very happy then. Where is that joy now? I can say without a doubt that you would have done anything to help me. If it had been possible, you would have taken out your own eyes and given them to me. 16 Am I now your enemy because I tell you the truth?

17 Those people[r] are working hard to persuade you, but this is not good for you. They want to persuade you to turn against us and work hard for them. 18 It is good for you to work hard, of course, if it is for something good. That’s something you should do whether I am there or not. 19 My little children, I am in pain again over you, like a mother giving birth. I will feel this pain until people can look at you and see Christ. 20 I wish I could be with you now. Then maybe I could change the way I am talking to you. Now I don’t know what to do about you.

The Example of Hagar and Sarah
21 Some of you people want to be under the law. Tell me, do you know what the law says? 22 The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons. The mother of one son was a slave woman, and the mother of the other son was a free woman. 23 Abraham’s son from the slave woman was born in the normal human way. But the son from the free woman was born because of the promise God made to Abraham.

24 This true story makes a picture for us. The two women are like the two agreements between God and his people. One agreement is the law that God made on Mount Sinai. The people who are under this agreement are like slaves. The mother named Hagar is like that agreement. 25 So Hagar is like Mount Sinai in Arabia. She is a picture of the earthly Jewish city of Jerusalem. This city is a slave, and all its people are slaves to the law. 26 But the heavenly Jerusalem that is above is like the free woman, who is our mother. 27 The Scriptures say,

“Be happy, woman—you who cannot have children.
Be glad you never gave birth.
Shout and cry with joy!
You never felt those labor pains.
The woman who is alone will have more children
than the woman who has a husband.”

28 My brothers and sisters, you are children who were born because of God’s promise, just as Isaac was. 29 But the other son of Abraham, who was born in the normal way, caused trouble for the one who was born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same today. 30 But what do the Scriptures say? “Throw out the slave woman and her son! The son of the free woman will receive everything his father has, but the son of the slave woman will receive nothing.”[t] 31 So, my brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman. We are children of the free woman.
 

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Keep Your Freedom
5 We have freedom now, because Christ made us free. So stand strong in that freedom. Don’t go back into slavery again. 2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you that if you start following the law by being circumcised, then Christ cannot help you. 3 Again, I warn everyone: If you allow yourselves to be circumcised, then you must follow the whole law. 4 If you try to be made right with God through the law, your life with Christ is finished—you have left God’s grace. 5 I say this because our hope of being right with God comes through faith. And the Spirit helps us feel sure as we wait for that hope. 6 When someone belongs to Christ Jesus, it is not important if they are circumcised or not. The important thing is faith—the kind of faith that works through love.

7 You were doing so well. Who caused you to stop following the truth? 8 It certainly wasn’t the one who chose you. 9 Be careful! “Just a little yeast makes the whole batch of dough rise.” 10 I trust in the Lord that you will not believe those different ideas. Someone is trying to confuse you. Whoever it is will be punished.

11 My brothers and sisters, I don’t teach that a man must be circumcised. If I do teach circumcision, then why am I still being persecuted? If I still taught circumcision, then my message about the cross would not be a problem. 12 I wish those people who are bothering you would add castration[v] to their circumcision.

13 My brothers and sisters, God chose you to be free. But don’t use your freedom as an excuse to do what pleases your sinful selves. Instead, serve each other with love. 14 The whole law is made complete in this one command: “Love your neighbor[w] the same as you love yourself.”[x] 15 If you continue hurting each other and tearing each other apart, be careful, or you will completely destroy each other.

The Spirit and Human Nature
16 So I tell you, live the way the Spirit leads you. Then you will not do the evil things your sinful self wants. 17 The sinful self wants what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit wants what is against the sinful self. They are always fighting against each other, so that you don’t do what you really want to do. 18 But if you let the Spirit lead you, you are not under law.[y]

19 The wrong things the sinful self does are clear: committing sexual sin, being morally bad, doing all kinds of shameful things, 20 worshiping false gods, taking part in witchcraft, hating people, causing trouble, being jealous, angry or selfish, causing people to argue and divide into separate groups, 21 being filled with envy, getting drunk, having wild parties, and doing other things like this. I warn you now as I warned you before: The people who do these things will not have a part in God’s kingdom. 22 But the fruit that the Spirit produces in a person’s life is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these kinds of things. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their sinful self. They have given up their old selfish feelings and the evil things they wanted to do. 25 We get our new life from the Spirit, so we should follow the Spirit. 26 We must not feel proud and boast about ourselves. We must not cause trouble for each other or be jealous of each other.

Help Each Other
6 Brothers and sisters, someone in your group might do something wrong. You who are following the Spirit should go to the one who is sinning. Help make that person right again, and do it in a gentle way. But be careful, because you might be tempted to sin too. 2 Help each other with your troubles. When you do this, you are obeying the law of Christ. 3 If you think you are too important to do this, you are only fooling yourself. 4 Don’t compare yourself with others. Just look at your own work to see if you have done anything to be proud of. 5 You must each accept the responsibilities that are yours.

Never Stop Doing Good
6 Whoever is being taught God’s word should share the good things they have with the one who is teaching them.

7 If you think you can fool God, you are only fooling yourselves. You will harvest what you plant. 8 If you live to satisfy your sinful self, the harvest you will get from that will be eternal death. But if you live to please the Spirit, your harvest from the Spirit will be eternal life. 9 We must not get tired of doing good. We will receive our harvest of eternal life at the right time. We must not give up. 10 When we have the opportunity to do good to anyone, we should do it. But we should give special attention to those who are in the family of believers.

Paul Ends His Letter
11 This is my own handwriting. You can see how big the letters are. 12 Those men who are trying to force you to be circumcised are only doing it so that their people will accept them. They are afraid they will be persecuted if they follow only the cross[z] of Christ. 13 They are circumcised, but they don’t obey the law themselves. They want you to be circumcised so that they can boast about what they did to you.

14 I hope I will never boast about things like that. The cross of our Lord Jesus Christ is my only reason for boasting. Through Jesus’ death on the cross the world is dead[aa] to me, and I am dead to the world. 15 It doesn’t matter if anyone is circumcised or not. The only thing that matters is this new life we have from God.[ab] 16 Peace and mercy to those who follow this rule—to all God’s people.[ac]

17 So don’t give me any more trouble. I have scars on my body that show[ad] I belong to Jesus.

18 My brothers and sisters, I pray that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ will be with your spirits. Amen.

Footnotes
Galatians 1:2 Galatia Probably the area where Paul began churches on his first missionary trip. Read Acts 13 and 14.
Galatians 1:18 Peter Literally, “Cephas,” the Aramaic name for Peter, one of Jesus’ twelve apostles. Both names mean “rock.” Also in 2:9, 11, 14.
Galatians 2:16 trusting in Or “the faithfulness of.”
Galatians 2:16 because we trusted in Or “through the faithfulness of.”
Galatians 2:20 faith in Or “the faithfulness of.”
Galatians 3:6 Quote from Gen. 15:6.
Galatians 3:8 Quote from Gen. 12:3.
Galatians 3:10 Quote from Deut. 27:26.
Galatians 3:11 Quote from Hab. 2:4.
Galatians 3:12 the only way … commands See Lev. 18:5.
Galatians 3:13 hung on a tree Deut. 21:22-23 says that when a person was killed for doing wrong, his body was hung on a tree to show shame. Paul means the cross of Jesus was like that.
Galatians 3:13 Quote from Deut. 21:23.
Galatians 3:16 Descendant Literally, “seed,” which could also mean “family.” In that case, it would refer to the one family of God in Christ.
Galatians 3:20 Literally, “But the mediator is not of one, but God is one.”
Galatians 3:22 faith in Or “the faithfulness of.”
Galatians 4:3 rules Or “powers.” Also in verse 9.
Galatians 4:6 Abba An Aramaic word that was used by Jewish children as a name for their fathers.
Galatians 4:17 Those people The false teachers who were bothering the believers in Galatia. See Gal. 1:7.
Galatians 4:27 woman … alone This means her husband has left her.
Galatians 4:30 Quote from Gen. 21:10.
Galatians 5:9 “Just … rise” A proverb meaning that a small thing (like a little wrong teaching) can make a big problem or that just one person can have a bad influence on the whole group.
Galatians 5:12 castration Paul uses a word that means “to cut off” in place of “circumcision,” which means “to cut around,” to show how angry he is at the false teachers for forcing non-Jewish men to be circumcised.
Galatians 5:14 your neighbor Or “others.” Jesus’ teaching in Lk. 10:25-37 makes clear that this includes anyone in need.
Galatians 5:14 Quote from Lev. 19:18.
Galatians 5:18 law Here, a law system, like the Law of Moses.
Galatians 6:12 cross Paul uses the cross as a picture of the Good News, the story of Christ’s death to pay for people’s sins. The cross (Christ’s death) was God’s way to save people. Also in verse 14.
Galatians 6:14 is dead Literally, “has been crucified.”
Galatians 6:15 this new life … God Or “being the new people God has made.”
Galatians 6:16 all God’s people Literally, “the Israel of God.”
Galatians 6:17 scars … show Many times Paul was beaten by people who tried to stop him from teaching about Christ. The scars were from these beatings.
 

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We've had unfruitful water baptism exchanges in the past. I'll reply once in this thread & trust others to make their own decisions.

The 120 that were in the upper room did in fact receive the Christ's gift Holy Spirit void of water baptism. They understood that Jesus was their long promised Messiah & He'd died for their sins, was buried & rose again.

The other Jews on the Temple Mt hear this from Peter:

Acts 2:
Jesus proved He was Messiah thru miracles, sings & wonders (Vs 22). You had Him crucified & killed (Vs 23). God raised Him from the dead (Vs 24). You are eye eyewitness that the Father's promise of the Holy Ghost is hear right now (Vs 33).

Yes! YOU crucified your long promised Messiah/redeemer (Vs 36). They now understand who Jesus was & what He'd done & asked Peter, what shall we do? (Vs 37).

Peter says REPRNT from UNBELIEF IN & KILLING your Messiah (not your everyday sins). Then be baptized in the the ALL Authoritative Name of Jesus & u will receive God's indwelling H/S & ALL your sins will receive full pardon. Water is just water, Faith in the Name of Jesus, His sacrifice & resurrection is Everything!

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
(NOTE: Vs Key is found in the article "TOWARD". Repentance TOWARD God & faith TOWARD Christ)

Context: REPENT from UNBELIEF/REJECTING (not everyday personal sins) Jesus the Christ.

Jn 12:22 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw """all""" men unto me.
(MY NOTE: Jesus was in fact lifted up on a cross & from the grave & will draw ALL to Himself)

Jn 16:
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit will reprove/expose/convict everyone of, sins? NO of "SIN" singular.)

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

(MY NOTE: The only SIN that condemns one to eternal separation/damnation is UNBELIEF/rejecting Christ's sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection until life's end. Faith in Jesus sin payment & resurrection takes away/removes every other sin)

Jn 8:24 Jesus said; ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
My point was both Jews and Gentiles were commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus AFTER receiving the Holy Ghost. Receiving the Holy Ghost did not exclude the need for obedience to the command to be water baptized in Jesus' name. It was Jesus who said he who believes and IS BAPTIZED shall be saved. (Mark 16:16) Clearly Jesus reference is to water baptism since it is the only baptism that man can choose to accept or reject. God alone is the giver of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16 Paul, 8:35-40 Eunuch, 16:28-33 Jailer/family, 16:14-15 Lydia/family, 18:8 Crispus/Corinthian believers )