Warning to Christians: Totally Refuse COVID Vaccines

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shittim

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"That was achieved by vaccination"
Those who are truly Christian know it was acheived by the grace of God who allowed vaccine to be discovered and used for His creation as we have strayed so far from Him we for the most part no longer know how to appropriate His healing and protection from the schemes of the devil to steal health, kill and destroy and is free for all.
 
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"That was achieved by vaccination"
Those who are truly Christian know it was acheived by the grace of God who allowed vaccine to be discovered and used for His creation as we have strayed so far from Him we for the most part no longer know how to appropriate His healing and protection from the schemes of the devil to steal health, kill and destroy and is free for all.
I can agree with you on some that but this virus is a scam my Brother...I knew it was scam when we got are first case in the United States..It was in Washington State I told my wife it's starting. In Oct of 2019 they did a simulation on this fake virus. It was called Event 201 And they called it Corona. It was dam silumation. And not 5 month after this bs starts. Look up Event 201. Another thing. Dr fake/Fauci went to Seattle in april of 2019 and threw the first pitch pitch for the Seattle Mariners home opener.. He was wearing number 19.. Mocking us
 

shittim

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a scam to a point, it is a bad cold hyped up to cause fear, fear of reciving a medical condition increases the likelihood by 63% Jesus commands over and over to fear not, He never sent anyone to a Dr.
 
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a scam to a point, it is a bad cold hyped up to cause fear, fear of reciving a medical condition increases the likelihood by 63% Jesus commands over and over to fear not, He never sent anyone to a Dr.
It's the flu....
a scam to a point, it is a bad cold hyped up to cause fear, fear of reciving a medical condition increases the likelihood by 63% Jesus commands over and over to fear not, He never sent anyone to a Dr.
A scam is a scam...its the seasonal flu, car accidents, heart attacks, and other diseases they mark as covid. Its not fear I have... its frustration over these liars and how they mock us to our faces. And most dont see it.. I love my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. He is the one who gives me the strength every day to make it though this evil world we live in.. I do agree that fear causes sickness.. and it makes people do irrational things..Its the plan
 
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Whether it is the seasonal flu or a virus made in a lab is irrelevant...
The relevant point is that its all a scam to force experimental needles onto us
 
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Whether it is the seasonal flu or a virus made in a lab is irrelevant...
The relevant point is that its all a scam to force experimental needles onto us
I dont know about experimental needles,but It seems they been doing that for years, .but it cannot be the Mark. I believe what Gods word says. Shots dont go in the forehead.
 

Angela53510

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The trolls are popping up again. Meaning you. You are acting just like the trolls on the MSM sites. Always know a nurse. Or always no know somebody that died. I am sick of the lies...Those hospitals are not full. And if they are its because of the vaccine.. I truly beleive you are a bot...working for those fools...Yall are over the MSM sites..
Listen Newbie! The only troll on here is you! I've been in this forum for 10 1/2 years. You know nothing about this place. I am arguing what I know is the truth, although I call many people (who are condemning the vaccine with bad sources and statistics), my friends. As for you, we'll see how long you last.

This whole thread is just a nut case conspiracy theory, which should never have been allowed in the Family Forum. And the OP even mentioned his reasons why he posted it here, so it could convince more members to be anti-vax. IOW, he is try to spread his propaganda! And get more views than in the Conspiracy Forum.

Yet most of it is based on lies. I prefer to trust my doctors & my gov't (in Canada) although I would never trust Trudeau or vote for that loser in my life. (His dad was an evil communist - a card holding member of the communist party, before he realized he had a better chance at winning an election under the Liberal banner!)

I am sure most of the people in this forum who are anti-vaxers are sincere in their beliefs. But how can you get the true picture of any problem or situation, when you brag you never read or watch MSM or use scholarly sources like peer reviewed journals. Every scholar knows you need to look at all the sides and opinions, to reach your own conclusions. When I write a paper, I bring up views that disagree, and then refute them with other scholars & obviously I use the Bible to support me, and any kind of logic which points out other principles that support my view point. And I end up stronger for having read all sides of an issue & and I am able to defend my viewpoint, because I know all sides of a debate. When I was on the debate team in school, that is what we had to do. Defend both positions, to win both arguments while supporting them with facts. My
team won every debate in every competition we entered. It was a great learning experience, that no one here seems to understand.

This writing in big bolded letters, copy and pasting without a source and attacking the person, instead of debating the material, not picking on people you don't agree with, needs to stop to have less bitterness and anger in this forum.

As I said before, the COVID-19 vaccine is simply not a topic about, God, the Bible or walking with God. It doesn't lift up anyone, or encourage people to be more like the imago dei - the image of God in Christ Jesus.

There should be no debate on either side. If people do their due diligence, they will understand both sides of the issue. They can pick to have a vax, put it off till later, or never have a vax.

America is supposed to be free, but everyone here are trying to push people to agree with their decision. (Canada is a censored nation, I won't use it as an example.) Then they resort to as hominem attacks. That is hurtful, and accomplishes nothing!

All these freedom loving people come into this thread, not to tell what their personal decision is, and maybe why they made, without belittling the other side. It is unethical & certainly not Christian. Perhaps if we changed the topic, say it was on topic, then we could argue on a spiritual level. But vaccines causing people to lose their salvation OVER A NON-Religious topic is the height of paranoia and also stupidity.

Everyone should be allowed to make their own choices. I hate the constant propaganda from the governments and MSM. I hate that every time someone in my RA group says their doctor put them in Plaquenil, or HCQ, using the full name - Hydroxychloroquine FB posts a message saying this drug is not suitable for fighting COVID. This is the first medication given to almost all newly diagnosed people with Rheumatoid Arthritis. I have lots of people newly diagnosed in my forum and they always spell out the whole name for HCQ, and a giant post goes up from FB, after the OP, saying it should not be used for COVID! We are legally prescribed this drug by qualified specialists, because it is indicated for use for RA, and Malaria.

I am so sick of this discussion, but I stay, because no one should read this thread without someone countering all the lies and misinformation!

Have the vaccine if you want, or don't have it. We could end the discussion right now, if people would start doing this. But the anti-vaxers would be mad at the govt propaganda, and feel they need to share misinformation, to counter it.

I've had both vaccines, so have my husband and 3/4 of my children and their spouses have had it. My youngest son & his wife have not had the vaccine, because they want more peer reviewed studies to actually learn more about the vaccine and side effects before they take it. They might never get the vax, because more bad things come out. The various vaccines might end up being taken off the market, like Astra Zeneca in Europe. Or maybe it will be reviewed and then come off with certain targeted messages about the side effects.

I was. lucky, I had no reaction to the 2 vaccines, not even a sore arm. The rest of my family, including my 91 year old mother did well, except for a sore arm in the second shot.

I respect that people need to form their own opinions, and express them, because we have freedom of speech. That's the best way to stop fighting and name calling, IMHO!

PS I am not an anti-vaxer! I believe every person should take it. But never coerced, and not people who cannot have this vaccines because of other health issues.
 

Angela53510

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I saw that tweet by the nurse in a news article. Honestly, it sounds like a big scare tactic.

Where is the line in what we allow the government to put into our bodies? If you say they have the God-given right to make us take a vaccine, then what happens when the Mark of the Beast comes and they demand we "obey" and take it? How many people will be conditioned that we HAVE to take it because we HAD to take all the stuff before it? How many Christians will feel guilted into taking the Mark of the Beast because they were preached at to obey the governmental authorities?

I have a friend who, years ago, had a bunch of vaccines so she could travel to Africa. She told me she didn't get sick from a cold or flu or NADA for about 6 years after all the inoculations. However, she now suffers from autoimmune disorders and is allergic to so many foods, it's ridiculous.

So, sure. You might feel great now. Perhaps the vaccine helped you get over that cold your grandson gave you. But you might be worse off in, say, 5+ years. Nobody knows the long-term effects from this vaccine. We each need to look at what Yahweh is telling us to do and follow accordingly and not just trust the government willy-nilly with our health.
I'm glad you didn't have any immediate negative affects from the vaccine. Praying you wont' have long term issues down the line.
If you had read my posts, I have said over and over that NO ONE should be forced to take this vaccine. So, please no more hearsay about me, that is false. I'm Canadian, but I value free speech and control over our own bodies (except where abortion is concerned, because a baby is not part of our body, but it's own person from conception).

My point is that no one should be shamed and humiliated because they took the vaccine, not once, but twice. Esp., we should not be scolded and threatened that we will lose our salvation if we get a vaccine. Show me the book, chapter and verse where the Bible says that! No one can lose their salvation in the first place, but if somehow we could lose it, we would never lose our salvation over a science/medicine disagreement! When people say that, I recognize immediately that they don't read their Bible daily, or maybe not at all. They also have very wrong doctrines they believe.

Further, we still have the right to choose the vaccine or not. If we decide to get the vaccine, it is not the gov't putting the vaccine in our bodies. When we choose to get vaccinated that is not on the gov't but ourselves! There is no need to have this fear of the gov't & the paranoia that shows up in this forum!

I don't regret getting my vaccines, I had to push myself to do them, so glad I did. As for giving people autoimmune disease, I agree it is a possibility, I won't lie, I had allergy shots for bad allergies In the 1990's that were damaging my lungs. I took them twice a week, for 7 years. It helped my allergies go down, and now I have no environmental allergies. But, late in the 7 years I was taking allergy shots, is when I developed severe and painful Rheumatoid Arthritis. I have multiple AI diseases, I believe allergy shots turned my immune system upside down, plus I also had Post partum hormones during that time.

As for living another 5 years, no one knows how long any of us will live. We could have an accident, in our cars, no fault of ours. We could get many diseases like cancer or heart disease or diabetes and die from those disease. We could die in our sleep. I have so many physical things wrong with me, I literally could die any day. So, I'm trusting God completely, and he had helped me in so many ways. On top of it, the needles I inject to stop RA are cancer drugs, which suppress the immune system and can give you cancer. Yet, the latest stats in longevity show people who take these medications will live 5 to 10 years longer than people not on meds. To say nothing of standard of life! RA is extremely painful. Without meds, you can end up bed ridden, which has happened to me a few times. God gave me a good husband to lift me into my wheelchair and take me too the toilet and then back too my bed , again!

So I get it! But after seeing so many people die or almost die of COVID, and the bad damage in my lungs (scarring from pneumonias, fluid in the bottom of lungs- which cleared up from not getting any colds turning into pneumonia), and Rheumatoid Lung Disease. I would never survive COVID based on my lungs, let alone my damaged heart, which RA and prednisone attacked!

Finally, I don't believe in Dispensationalism, or that Revelation should be interpreted literally. The genre is apocalyptic which has totally different standards & devices in text, which shows the early church knew should not be interpreted literally. So, throw out the Mark of the Beast, the Rapture appears no where in Scripture. (don't try to prove harpazo in 1 Thess. 4:17 means rapture, because I read Greek well, and have read the Bible in Geek a few times, and the word "rapture" is not there. But I digress.

I appreciate your kindness in describing to me your doctrinal views, but I hope you will get a book on the 4 end times doctrines, which overlap one another, and also are polar opposites in some places. I'm Amillennial, and a partial Preterist & have always been, that is what the Bible says for me! But, that doesn't mean we have to tear the other person apart. If you read a few books on the other views, you might decide that you still believe the Bible supports Dispensationalism, and that is a choice you are free to make. End times (or eschatology!) is always a difficult topic. We need to look at all the 4 eschatological views, look up verses to be sure of the context, I think most scholars would say no one can know what happens in the end, so we are waiting for Jesus to unveil his whole story. Again, we should be free to study, reason, research, this doctrine, come to our own conclusions, and not be harassed or screamed at because another person thinks you are wrong. I had someone in this. forum, few years back tell me I wasn't saved because I was Amillennial. Only Dispensationalists are saved, according to this person. Wrong! Eschatology never saved anyone. And the person who said that was very angry and unrepentant, not open to studying all the sides, as I said.

Anyway, sorry for the long post!
 

Angela53510

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You may want to read Romans 13 again. Yes, obey those in leadership, but does not say “even if they are lying”. Really??
Of course that bit about "even if they are lying" is not in the Bible. I just threw that in to give something for people to ponder!!
Because Roman culture and philosophy was very different than what the Bible says, or how the Jews believed and acted, so, even if Caesar was lying, it might be an unwritten rule that Caesar could do whatever he pleased. I don't know this either, something to look up, the ethics of the Romans. Greeks were very "woke" and they believed in hedonism, searching for pleasure. Probably not many thought sex outside of marriage was wrong.

Anyway, even if I had thought that was in the Bible, (which I do NOT!) it's a petty point, one which in no way proves that COVID is a big conspiracy made up by the UN, China, Russia to depopulate Our countries or kill or deform people.

If you want to debate, pick something more relevant to the discussion! Thanks in advance.
 

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I agree with your post. As of one, I have never had a single flu shot in nearly 33 years now. The covid virus is just a mutation of the Sars bacteria we have heard about for fifteen to twenty years. Swine flu could be on the uprise and genetic mutations can be fought with a higher bodily overall immune system wellness from fighting the covid. Donald Trump promised me a shot of Regeneron and my corrupt left wing community doctors denies me of the antibody my presIdent promised me before he left office.
 
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I dont know about experimental needles,but It seems they been doing that for years, .but it cannot be the Mark. I believe what Gods word says. Shots dont go in the forehead.
It could be that chip they want to put in our hands cos without it we won't be able to buy or sell just like the Bible says
 
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She looked way over her head when the reporters were hounding her with questions.
You have managed to escape it all living there and so have we being more isolated in the west.
Yea the Nulabour Plain is like Bass Strait.
It provides a good border from the mainland... lol
 

Joseph33

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If you had read my posts, I have said over and over that NO ONE should be forced to take this vaccine. So, please no more hearsay about me, that is false. I'm Canadian, but I value free speech and control over our own bodies (except where abortion is concerned, because a baby is not part of our body, but it's own person from conception).

My point is that no one should be shamed and humiliated because they took the vaccine, not once, but twice. Esp., we should not be scolded and threatened that we will lose our salvation if we get a vaccine. Show me the book, chapter and verse where the Bible says that! No one can lose their salvation in the first place, but if somehow we could lose it, we would never lose our salvation over a science/medicine disagreement! When people say that, I recognize immediately that they don't read their Bible daily, or maybe not at all. They also have very wrong doctrines they believe.

Further, we still have the right to choose the vaccine or not. If we decide to get the vaccine, it is not the gov't putting the vaccine in our bodies. When we choose to get vaccinated that is not on the gov't but ourselves! There is no need to have this fear of the gov't & the paranoia that shows up in this forum!

I don't regret getting my vaccines, I had to push myself to do them, so glad I did. As for giving people autoimmune disease, I agree it is a possibility, I won't lie, I had allergy shots for bad allergies In the 1990's that were damaging my lungs. I took them twice a week, for 7 years. It helped my allergies go down, and now I have no environmental allergies. But, late in the 7 years I was taking allergy shots, is when I developed severe and painful Rheumatoid Arthritis. I have multiple AI diseases, I believe allergy shots turned my immune system upside down, plus I also had Post partum hormones during that time.

As for living another 5 years, no one knows how long any of us will live. We could have an accident, in our cars, no fault of ours. We could get many diseases like cancer or heart disease or diabetes and die from those disease. We could die in our sleep. I have so many physical things wrong with me, I literally could die any day. So, I'm trusting God completely, and he had helped me in so many ways. On top of it, the needles I inject to stop RA are cancer drugs, which suppress the immune system and can give you cancer. Yet, the latest stats in longevity show people who take these medications will live 5 to 10 years longer than people not on meds. To say nothing of standard of life! RA is extremely painful. Without meds, you can end up bed ridden, which has happened to me a few times. God gave me a good husband to lift me into my wheelchair and take me too the toilet and then back too my bed , again!

So I get it! But after seeing so many people die or almost die of COVID, and the bad damage in my lungs (scarring from pneumonias, fluid in the bottom of lungs- which cleared up from not getting any colds turning into pneumonia), and Rheumatoid Lung Disease. I would never survive COVID based on my lungs, let alone my damaged heart, which RA and prednisone attacked!

Finally, I don't believe in Dispensationalism, or that Revelation should be interpreted literally. The genre is apocalyptic which has totally different standards & devices in text, which shows the early church knew should not be interpreted literally. So, throw out the Mark of the Beast, the Rapture appears no where in Scripture. (don't try to prove harpazo in 1 Thess. 4:17 means rapture, because I read Greek well, and have read the Bible in Geek a few times, and the word "rapture" is not there. But I digress.

I appreciate your kindness in describing to me your doctrinal views, but I hope you will get a book on the 4 end times doctrines, which overlap one another, and also are polar opposites in some places. I'm Amillennial, and a partial Preterist & have always been, that is what the Bible says for me! But, that doesn't mean we have to tear the other person apart. If you read a few books on the other views, you might decide that you still believe the Bible supports Dispensationalism, and that is a choice you are free to make. End times (or eschatology!) is always a difficult topic. We need to look at all the 4 eschatological views, look up verses to be sure of the context, I think most scholars would say no one can know what happens in the end, so we are waiting for Jesus to unveil his whole story. Again, we should be free to study, reason, research, this doctrine, come to our own conclusions, and not be harassed or screamed at because another person thinks you are wrong. I had someone in this. forum, few years back tell me I wasn't saved because I was Amillennial. Only Dispensationalists are saved, according to this person. Wrong! Eschatology never saved anyone. And the person who said that was very angry and unrepentant, not open to studying all the sides, as I said.

Anyway, sorry for the long post!
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Of course that bit about "even if they are lying" is not in the Bible. I just threw that in to give something for people to ponder!!
Because Roman culture and philosophy was very different than what the Bible says, or how the Jews believed and acted, so, even if Caesar was lying, it might be an unwritten rule that Caesar could do whatever he pleased. I don't know this either, something to look up, the ethics of the Romans. Greeks were very "woke" and they believed in hedonism, searching for pleasure. Probably not many thought sex outside of marriage was wrong.

Anyway, even if I had thought that was in the Bible, (which I do NOT!) it's a petty point, one which in no way proves that COVID is a big conspiracy made up by the UN, China, Russia to depopulate Our countries or kill or deform people.

If you want to debate, pick something more relevant to the discussion! Thanks in advance.
I guess we ARE playing the red X game.

So be it
 

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Lemmings still don't care:

ANOTHER fully-vaccinated congressional aide tests positive for COVID: 'Unease' sweeps the Capitol as breakthrough infections rise, lines for testing grow and more staffers mask up
  • Another fully vaccinated congressional staffer has tested positive for COVID
  • The staffer works for Democratic Rep. Kai Kahele of Hawaii
  • Staffers are getting concerned about rising cases
  • More staff and lawmakers in Capitol are wearing face masks
By EMILY GOODIN, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 09:03 EDT, 23 July 2021 | UPDATED: 11:51 EDT, 23 July 2021

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-congressional-aide-tests-positive-COVID.html
 

shittim

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Whether it is the seasonal flu or a virus made in a lab is irrelevant...
The relevant point is that its all a scam to force experimental needles onto us
It IS relevant as it is a weaponized virus attack the Created order.
 
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