2 Thessalonians 2

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So how many time after Jesus go to heaven He coming to earth?
I have no idea. Maybe many.

Genesis 28: 12And he (Jacob) dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it


I know there are Christians who say they have personally spoken with Jesus, and who am I to doubt them?
 

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I have no idea. Maybe many.

Genesis 28: 12And he (Jacob) dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it

I know there are Christians who say they have personally spoken with Jesus, and who am I to doubt them?
That verse above is not second coming of Jesus, it is Jacob dream go to heaven, but yes Jesus appear to Paul and make Paul repent. But it is not consider second coming.
Second coming in tesslonian and Matt 24 is talking about end time. It was not ad 70, because at ad 70 rapture not happen yet.
 
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That verse above is not second coming of Jesus, it is Jacob dream go to heaven, but yes Jesus appear to Paul and make Paul repent. But it is not consider second coming.
Second coming in tesslonian and Matt 24 is talking about end time. It was not ad 70, because at ad 70 rapture not happen yet.
You asked:
So how many time after Jesus go to heaven He coming to earth?

There is a difference between appearing and coming.
I hesitate to throw numbers around, but Paul tells us of two appearances.
If we add the Lord coming in AD70, that would makes 3 Comings after Jesus went to heaven.
 

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So how many time after Jesus go to heaven He coming to earth?
Yep, I ask about coming, and you believe when Paul see Jesus not consider coming but apperiance
Then you say
If we add the Lord coming in AD70, that would makes 3 Comings after Jesus went to heaven.
So you believe Jesus appear twice to Paul or coming twice and come again at ad 70 that make 3 time

What verse tell Jesus come to earth at ad70
 
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Yep, I ask about coming, and you believe when Paul see Jesus not consider coming but apperiance
Then you say


So you believe Jesus appear twice to Paul or coming twice and come again at ad 70 that make 3 time

What verse tell Jesus come to earth at ad70
I wasn't really thinking of Paul.

Jesus appeared to the disciples 40 days
Then he came in AD 70
He will appear again when he returns for the Church
 

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I wasn't really thinking of Paul.

Jesus appeared to the disciples 40 days
Then he came in AD 70
He will appear again when he returns for the Church
You say there was a parousia of Jesus in 70 A.D.? To whom did He appear? To some or to everyone?
 
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You seem to have added something extra-scriptural here.
You say:
Jesus came back to earth
But that is not correct.
You have to prove that Jesus returns to heaven after resurrecting and rapturing believers. Be my guest.

Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him

There is no mention of 'back to earth', you've simply added in your own understanding here.

You've shared your strange view that 2 Thess 2:1 refers to some "coming" of Jesus to Jerusalem to gather church age believefrs while Jerusalem burns. Weird.


And you have NO Scriptural evidence nor any historical evidence of such an event. So why would anyone believe your claim?

If you understand that God avenges the prophets, then the next question is when did this take place?
What does this have to do with anything about 2 Thess 2:1?

God avenges ALL of His people by casting all unbelievers into the lake of fire.
 
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One of the things we know about God is that he is invisible, and that Jesus shares the father's characteristics.

Romans 1: 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Colossians 1: 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

So if the Father and Son are invisible, they can go somewhere, be present somewhere, exercise their power somewhere, without being visible.
Let me introduce you to some truth that you seem to be lacking:
1 John 1-
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

So, Jesus Christ ISN'T invisible as you weirdly claim.

So when Jesus spoke about coming like a thief in the night, he was referring to just this, exercising his power without being seen.

And conversely, the scripture which confuses everyone, Hebrews 9: 26-28 confuses people because it is talking about the appearing of the Lord, the visible manifestation of the Lord, (to the Church), a quite different thing to God exercising his power invisibly, in this case to the non-Church
Well, once again, you failed to answer questions. The other poster asked you what "coming" was referring to in 2 Thess 2:1.

But you gave him a word salad. No answer.
 
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Jackson123 said:
Do you believe almighty a God capable to make Himself visible?
If you are referring to God the Father "no man has seen God at any time". If you are referring to God the Son, He took human form and He remains in human form. So Christ will be clearly visible at His second coming,
His post was real clear. He quoted Acts 1. Referring to Jesus. Proving that Jesus is visible, and refuting OS who claimed otherwise.
 
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It's a very good point that you make.

I suppose the point here is that
1) Jesus is taken up, that is to say, by the power of the Father
2) He is taken to heaven hidden in cloud

I.E. he is taken to heaven hidden and in the power of the Father

So when he returns he returns hidden, and in the power of the Father.
You are STILL NOT reading Scripture accurately.

Nothing in Acts 1 says Jesus was "hidden" in the clouds. In fact, the angel said "as you SEE Him". That ain't being hidden.

v.9 - 9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

Now this:
v.11 - 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Jesus was SEEN until a cloud hid Him.

Matthew 16
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Do you understand what this verse refers to? Peter, James and John on the Mount of Transfiguration. Has nothing to do with end times.
 
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Yes, but that is a completely different coming. A very visible event.
We are talking here about an event in which neither the Father nor the Son are visible
Please list all of Jesus' "various comings", with Scriptural proof of them.

And explain what each one accomplishes.

Thanks.
 
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There is a difference between appearing and coming.
I hesitate to throw numbers around, but Paul tells us of two appearances.
You can't give numbers because you have NO evidence from Scripture.

If we add the Lord coming in AD70, that would makes 3 Comings after Jesus went to heaven.
Why would anyone "add the coming in AD 70" when there is NO Scriptural evidence for this mythical claim.

Regarding how many times Jesu returns to earth, the Bible tells us.

Heb 9:28 - so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

I've color coded the verse to help make clear the facts.

The red words refer to Christ's First Advent when He came as a baby, grew up and went to the cross to die for the sins of mankind.

The blue words refer to His SECOND return to earth, as King of kings and Lord of lords, to end the Trib, and set up His Millennial Kingdom.

When the Bible is clear, there is no reason to keep presuming other stuff.
 
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FreeG You said
You have to prove that Jesus returns to heaven after resurrecting and rapturing believers. Be my guest.
Why?
 
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Let me introduce you to some truth that you seem to be lacking:
1 John 1-
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

So, Jesus Christ ISN'T invisible as you weirdly claim.


Well, once again, you failed to answer questions. The other poster asked you what "coming" was referring to in 2 Thess 2:1.

But you gave him a word salad. No answer.
Well are you saying that Paul was lying? That seems to be where you are headed
1 Colossians 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
 
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Please show Scriptural evidence of this supposed appearance in AD 70.
I see you have made lots of posts, all full of ranty stuff.
I offer you 3 questions, my time is precious.
I think I am going to find it hard to repeat myself over and over, but we'll give it a go.