Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future
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This is the part of Judgement i do not understand, for the simple reason Jesus died for all our sins, but here we see Jesus returning to kill people for all there sins.
Do you understand This Judgement because i dont. ? where told as believers to forgive those who sin against us.
Are we told they must repent and ask for forgiveness first befor we should forgive people who sin against us in the lords prayer,
So if some one sins against me should i only forgive them only if they ask me to forgive them ?.
if a person does not ask me to forgive them when they sin against me, do i not forgive them ?.
because Surely forgiveness from the holy spirit is an eternal state of mind which keeps the church in his Kingdom. surely forgiveness is a free Gift, an unmerited favour ?
Do you understand This Judgement because i dont. ? where told as believers to forgive those who sin against us.
Are we told they must repent and ask for forgiveness first befor we should forgive people who sin against us in the lords prayer,
So if some one sins against me should i only forgive them only if they ask me to forgive them ?.
if a person does not ask me to forgive them when they sin against me, do i not forgive them ?.
because Surely forgiveness from the holy spirit is an eternal state of mind which keeps the church in his Kingdom. surely forgiveness is a free Gift, an unmerited favour ?
which is what i implied to you the first time, several day ago, i said to you a rapture as all ready took place where by spirits have been taken up to heaven
I asked you this.
@Ahwatukee Thankyou once again for explaining to me
. Could you help me out with this scripture, as i read when i was doing a study of the rapture a long time ago. a quote said the rapture started 2000 years ago, left me some what confused. it was based on this scripture,
Mathew 27:51-52
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. thanks god bless you.
Your responce was this.
So here you made no mention of there spirits being taken up to heaven ? why was that, ?.
I asked you this.
@Ahwatukee Thankyou once again for explaining to me
. Could you help me out with this scripture, as i read when i was doing a study of the rapture a long time ago. a quote said the rapture started 2000 years ago, left me some what confused. it was based on this scripture,Mathew 27:51-52
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. thanks god bless you.
Your responce was this.
So here you made no mention of there spirits being taken up to heaven ? why was that, ?.
I think the problem here is in the definition of words.
Rapture/Caught up = Those who have received their immortal and glorified bodies and have been caught up to meet the Lord in the air
Resurrection = Comprised of two words ana=up again and histemi=to stand: Referring to the physical body standing up again.
So to be clear, when a believer dies and their spirit goes to be in the presence of the Lord, that is neither a rapture nor a resurrection.
As 1 Thess.4:16-17 describes, When the Lord appears in the atmosphere, He will resurrect the dead. At that moment, the bodies of the dead will be reanimated, standing up again albeit in immortal and glorified bodies and will then be Raptured/Caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord. Immediately after that, those who are still alive in Christ, their bodies will be transformed immortal and glorified where they stand and will be Raptured/Caught up with those who will have just resurrected. At that point the entire church will be gathered in one place in the air where according to John 14:1-3 the Lord will take the whole group back to the Father's house.
My apologies for any confusion regarding these two terms.
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Hello again, de-emerald!
I'm pretty sure that I had told you about that group too large to count introduced in Revelation 7:9-17 which are the saints who will come out of the great tribulation, who will become believers after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath. To reiterate, these are those who will become believers after the church has been removed from the earth, many of which will be killed because they will keep the testimony of Christ and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark.
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After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands"
"Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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Below is a list of the righteous who will be on the earth during the tribulation period:
* The Nation Israel (They will come to believe in Jesus as their Messiah sometime during the last 3 1/2 years)
* The 144,000 Israelites who will believe in Christ (will be on the earth during the first 3 1/2 years then raptured)
* The two witnesses (will be on earth during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period then resurrected and caught up)
* Great tribulation Saints (Gentiles from every nation, people, tribe and language)
I hope that this clarifies things
I'm pretty sure that I had told you about that group too large to count introduced in Revelation 7:9-17 which are the saints who will come out of the great tribulation, who will become believers after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath. To reiterate, these are those who will become believers after the church has been removed from the earth, many of which will be killed because they will keep the testimony of Christ and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark.
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After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands"
"Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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Below is a list of the righteous who will be on the earth during the tribulation period:
* The Nation Israel (They will come to believe in Jesus as their Messiah sometime during the last 3 1/2 years)
* The 144,000 Israelites who will believe in Christ (will be on the earth during the first 3 1/2 years then raptured)
* The two witnesses (will be on earth during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period then resurrected and caught up)
* Great tribulation Saints (Gentiles from every nation, people, tribe and language)
I hope that this clarifies things
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Hello again,
The reference to "overcoming" is found within the letters to the seven churches, with each of those letters having examples of something that needs correcting by the individuals within that specific church. The great tribulation saints however, will be those who will have not even believed in Christ until after the church has been gathered and which ends the church period. This why the word 'church' is never used again and the believers during the seven years are referred to as 'hagios/Saints.' and never as the church. They will be saints because they will keep the testimony of Jesus and the word of God and will refuse to worship the beast, his image and will not receive his mark. Of them it states that "they will not have loved their lives so much as to shrink away from death."
The reference to "overcoming" is found within the letters to the seven churches, with each of those letters having examples of something that needs correcting by the individuals within that specific church. The great tribulation saints however, will be those who will have not even believed in Christ until after the church has been gathered and which ends the church period. This why the word 'church' is never used again and the believers during the seven years are referred to as 'hagios/Saints.' and never as the church. They will be saints because they will keep the testimony of Jesus and the word of God and will refuse to worship the beast, his image and will not receive his mark. Of them it states that "they will not have loved their lives so much as to shrink away from death."
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You are correct in that Jesus died for our sins. However, in order to receive payment for sins and have the hope of eternal life, we must have faith in Him from beginning to end. Those who will be killed by the double-edged sword will be the wicked, those who will have rejected Jesus as the Christ and will have worshipped the beast, his image and received his mark. Therefore, their sins are not covered because of unbelief and they continue to willfully live according to the sinful nature. These are those who are killed by the double-edged sword when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age.
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Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.”
Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. And the rest (those above) were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.
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Bingo! You gave yourself the answer, i.e. they must believe in Christ and repent in order to be forgiven. Those who are being killed with the double-edged sword will not believe in Christ nor repent, but are against Christ, which is why they will be killed.
Yes, Jesus said that as many times as someone comes to you and askes for forgiveness that we are to forgive them.
"Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
Jesus answered, “I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times!" (That is seventy times seven)
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Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.”
Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. And the rest (those above) were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.
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Bingo! You gave yourself the answer, i.e. they must believe in Christ and repent in order to be forgiven. Those who are being killed with the double-edged sword will not believe in Christ nor repent, but are against Christ, which is why they will be killed.
Yes, Jesus said that as many times as someone comes to you and askes for forgiveness that we are to forgive them.
"Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
Jesus answered, “I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times!" (That is seventy times seven)
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Those who ask us to forgive them, will also ask God to forgive them. When we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Therefore, after God forgives a believer, He does not punish them. Jesus said those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. He does not punish those who ask to be forgiven.
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so obviously theese are the only people who make it through the tribuation, and are the only people to remain on earth during 1000 year reign of christ am i right ?
Questions about theese people.
1 why are they not raptured at the end of tribulation.
2 why does Jesus kill some of theese people in his 1000 year reign ? if they came to believe in Jesus during tribulation ?.
Questions about theese people.
1 why are they not raptured at the end of tribulation.
2 why does Jesus kill some of theese people in his 1000 year reign ? if they came to believe in Jesus during tribulation ?.
You're welcome!
To answer your question, for one, the Lord's kingdom of earth is prophecy and must be fulfilled. It is the next age after this one.
Gabriel speaking to Mary:
"Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!” - Luke 1:31
I personally believe that God will be making a point. For during that thousand years the knowledge of the Lord will be throughout the entire earth so that prey and predator animals and their young will lie down together. The Lion will eat straw like the Ox. During that time a young child will be able to play near a Cobra's den and not be hurt at all. The meaning is that the peace of God will be throughout the whole earth. In addition, Satan will have been locked up in the Abyss and will not be able to deceive the inhabitants of the earth as he does now. So getting back to my point, after a thousand years of peace with the Lord ruling and after Satan is released from the Abyss at the end of the thousand years, mankind still rebels against God. His heart is always turning away from God. Even under the peaceful conditions of the Lord's rule, mankind still rebels against God.
Yes, a thousand years is a long time, but remember that at the end of the tribulation period, the majority of the earth's population will have been decimated. It is during the millennial kingdom that the population of the earth will be increased.
To answer your question, for one, the Lord's kingdom of earth is prophecy and must be fulfilled. It is the next age after this one.
Gabriel speaking to Mary:
"Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!” - Luke 1:31
I personally believe that God will be making a point. For during that thousand years the knowledge of the Lord will be throughout the entire earth so that prey and predator animals and their young will lie down together. The Lion will eat straw like the Ox. During that time a young child will be able to play near a Cobra's den and not be hurt at all. The meaning is that the peace of God will be throughout the whole earth. In addition, Satan will have been locked up in the Abyss and will not be able to deceive the inhabitants of the earth as he does now. So getting back to my point, after a thousand years of peace with the Lord ruling and after Satan is released from the Abyss at the end of the thousand years, mankind still rebels against God. His heart is always turning away from God. Even under the peaceful conditions of the Lord's rule, mankind still rebels against God.
Yes, a thousand years is a long time, but remember that at the end of the tribulation period, the majority of the earth's population will have been decimated. It is during the millennial kingdom that the population of the earth will be increased.
Yes, those on the earth during the millennial kingdom will be:
* The Nation Israel
* The 144,000 (Only the first half of the 3 1/2 years)
* The Tribulation Saints (Those who become believers after the church is gathered and during the time of God's wrath)
* The wicked (Killed by the Lord when He returns to the earth to end the age)
It will be Israel and the Saints who make it alive through the tribulation who will repopulate the earth during the millennial kingdom.
Though the answer to this is not given or even mentioned, just using my own reasoning, If they were all raptured there would be no one on the earth to repopulate it and therefore there would be no people to inhabit the millennial kingdom.
You have to remember that, the saints who will have made it alive through the tribulation period will have been begetting children and those children will be having children and so on and so on. Therefore, those who rebel may not necessarily be those who originally survived the tribulation, but will most likely be their offspring through many generations. One might ask, "They of the millennial kingdom knowing about God's wrath during the tribulation period a thousand years earlier, should keep them from making the same mistake of rebelling against God." I think that this is exactly what God is proving with the thousand years in that, even after a thousand years of peace, with Satan unable to deceive mankind, mankind still rebels against God.
Our past history demonstrates this: God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities because of their going after strange flesh, men lusting after other men and even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. So God rained fire and sulfur down upon them because of their wickedness. Yet, here we are today with the LGBTQ movement with their rainbow parades and where judge's have ruled in favor of same-sex marriages, etc. My point being that, what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah for their actions and as a future warning to those who would commit the same sin, is not even considered today. They're all running head-long into destruction!
It will be the same at the end of the millennial kingdom. They will have knowledge of God's wrath that will have taken place during the tribulation a thousand years earlier because of sin and rebelling against God, but it will obviously make no difference to them because they rebel against God anyway.
* The Nation Israel
* The 144,000 (Only the first half of the 3 1/2 years)
* The Tribulation Saints (Those who become believers after the church is gathered and during the time of God's wrath)
* The wicked (Killed by the Lord when He returns to the earth to end the age)
It will be Israel and the Saints who make it alive through the tribulation who will repopulate the earth during the millennial kingdom.
Though the answer to this is not given or even mentioned, just using my own reasoning, If they were all raptured there would be no one on the earth to repopulate it and therefore there would be no people to inhabit the millennial kingdom.
You have to remember that, the saints who will have made it alive through the tribulation period will have been begetting children and those children will be having children and so on and so on. Therefore, those who rebel may not necessarily be those who originally survived the tribulation, but will most likely be their offspring through many generations. One might ask, "They of the millennial kingdom knowing about God's wrath during the tribulation period a thousand years earlier, should keep them from making the same mistake of rebelling against God." I think that this is exactly what God is proving with the thousand years in that, even after a thousand years of peace, with Satan unable to deceive mankind, mankind still rebels against God.
Our past history demonstrates this: God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities because of their going after strange flesh, men lusting after other men and even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. So God rained fire and sulfur down upon them because of their wickedness. Yet, here we are today with the LGBTQ movement with their rainbow parades and where judge's have ruled in favor of same-sex marriages, etc. My point being that, what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah for their actions and as a future warning to those who would commit the same sin, is not even considered today. They're all running head-long into destruction!
It will be the same at the end of the millennial kingdom. They will have knowledge of God's wrath that will have taken place during the tribulation a thousand years earlier because of sin and rebelling against God, but it will obviously make no difference to them because they rebel against God anyway.
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This looks like a mirror image of what happened after the flood. but with a twist.
After the flood we have just eight people left and the rest of mankind was wiped out because they where evil, but some how mankind becomes evil again and no mention of evil spirits causing it.
same thing here after tribulation and after the wicked are killed and evil spirit are taken captive. the only people left on earth are believers in christ but yet some how mankind goes evil again. only this time where ment to believe mankind does it by them selves because all evil spirits are held captive by christ. so again no mention of evil spirits causing it.
same thing for adam and eve, where told they disobeyed by there own occord.
Theres a huge difference here to take into account in the 1000 year reign of christ, the only people left on earth after the wicked have been killed by the lord and all evil spirits has been sealed (taken captive), is people who believe in christ. Surely they will have recieved the spirit and there children are born from people who are holy spirit indwelled.
but some how they all go wicked again, but this time by there own accord, because there are no evil spirits on the earth at this time.
but yet its clear through out scripture evil from denomic forces has made mankind fall. and evil has persacuted christians since christ 2000 years ago
Its clear that to me that evil denomic forces are very good at shifting the blame. and covering there tracks. so where now ment believe that a nation of born again believers (christians) can still become evil. and where back to sqaure one again. Theres something not right here. my guess where being decieved by evil here. seams to be the repeat pattern everywhere.
After the flood we have just eight people left and the rest of mankind was wiped out because they where evil, but some how mankind becomes evil again and no mention of evil spirits causing it.
same thing here after tribulation and after the wicked are killed and evil spirit are taken captive. the only people left on earth are believers in christ but yet some how mankind goes evil again. only this time where ment to believe mankind does it by them selves because all evil spirits are held captive by christ. so again no mention of evil spirits causing it.
same thing for adam and eve, where told they disobeyed by there own occord.
Theres a huge difference here to take into account in the 1000 year reign of christ, the only people left on earth after the wicked have been killed by the lord and all evil spirits has been sealed (taken captive), is people who believe in christ. Surely they will have recieved the spirit and there children are born from people who are holy spirit indwelled.
but some how they all go wicked again, but this time by there own accord, because there are no evil spirits on the earth at this time.
but yet its clear through out scripture evil from denomic forces has made mankind fall. and evil has persacuted christians since christ 2000 years ago
Its clear that to me that evil denomic forces are very good at shifting the blame. and covering there tracks. so where now ment believe that a nation of born again believers (christians) can still become evil. and where back to sqaure one again. Theres something not right here. my guess where being decieved by evil here. seams to be the repeat pattern everywhere.
I do have some actual [something] to add - and, have added it - and, you keep ignoring it...?
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