Is Obedience Necessary for Salvation?

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Jackson123

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Jesus is the vine.

How do you get INTO Jesus. ?
Works?
Water baptism?
Praying to mary?

The way you get INTO Jesus.........to become this....>"in Christ".....is to be IN the VINE.
How do you get into Christ?

A.) Jesus said.....>"you must be born again"..
Lifestyle?
So, to be IN the VINE, is to be born again into the Spirit of God....as this is defined as being "In Christ"

"abiding IN the vine"......is to be born again into the Spirit of God, as "In Christ".

You "ABIDE" IN THE VINE, by being a part of the Vine, as "born again".
So being born again is a command, am I correct?
Is being born again not change your body lifestyle?
Is being born again make you try to do the will of God

Is born again not make you have love more or make you murder?
 

Jackson123

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To God, which is all that matters, anger toward anyone is murder. God looks at the heart.
I am agree with all Word and learn to do
The fact angry is murder not change the Word

Not because angry ~ murder than we can change the verse , now murder inherit
 
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So being born again is a command, am I correct?
Is being born again not change your body lifestyle?
Is being born again make you try to do the will of God
Is born again not make you have love more or make you murder?

We are spiritually born again.

After we are born again, we are to renew our minds and begin our discipleship.
This is the process of "working out your salvation" by learning how to exist on earth, as born again.
Discipleship is a process, while Salvation is a BIRTH.
 
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Jesus is the vine.

How do you get INTO Jesus. ?
Works?
Water baptism?
Praying to mary?

The way you get INTO Jesus.........to become this....>"in Christ".....is to be IN the VINE.
How do you get into Christ?

A.) Jesus said.....>"you must be born again"..

So, to be IN the VINE, is to be born again into the Spirit of God....as this is defined as being "In Christ"

"abiding IN the vine"......is to be born again into the Spirit of God, as "In Christ".

You "ABIDE" IN THE VINE, by being a part of the Vine, as "born again".
Praying to Mary? That made me cringe. I was raised in the Catholic religion and there are few things more offensive than their teachings of that poor woman.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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To me murder is practice murder
Well John said a child of God can sin period

So I guess you just condemned everyone.

and if murder is practice murder. then you also just condemned Mosas, David and Saul and many other men of God
 

Jackson123

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There is only one sin that isn't paid for by the blood of Jesus, 2000 yrs ago.

What is that sin?

Dying a Christ rejector. .... = John 3:36.

Why is this sin the unpardonable sin?
Because you rejected pardon. You rejected forgiveness.
How can God forgive you with the Blood of Jesus, is you REJECT CHRIST?
See it?
That is the unpardonable sin, and a born again Christian can't commit that one, as they have already been born again, which proves they didn't reject Christ.
If repent and now accept Christ that sin forgiven too
Murder must repent if not than the verse say not inherit kg
 
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SophieT

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To God, which is all that matters, anger toward anyone is murder. God looks at the heart.

that is not true. not all anger is murder. Jesus was angry at the money changers at the temple. we can be justifiably angry without desiring to kill them. what does actually make me angry at times> seeing people who change what the Bible actually states

another example, is you saying God told you the world is flat and then saying He revealed it to you. nonsense and fabrication

we can most certainly be angry without sinning. when people lie I get angry. that is actually murder. you are murdering the truth.

20But this is not the way you came to know Christ. 21Surely you heard of Him and were taught in Him—in keeping with the truth that is in Jesus— 22to put off your former way of life, your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be renewed in the spirit of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

25Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one another. 26“Be angry, yet do not sin.”d Do not let the sun set upon your anger, 27and do not give the devil a foothold. Ephesians 4
 

Jackson123

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Well John said a child of God can sin period

So I guess you just condemned everyone.

and if murder is practice murder. then you also just condemned Mosas, David and Saul and many other men of God
Is the verse say practice murder not inherit or murder(without the word practice) not inherit
Anyway I am not condemned anybody that the verse say, I only repeat that verse
If repent and now accept Christ that sin forgiven too
Murder must repent if not than the verse say not inherit kg
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Is the verse say practice murder not inherit or murder(without the word practice) not inherit
Anyway I am not condemned anybody that the verse say, I only repeat that verse
your INTERPRETATION of the verse with the rest of scripture is what is lacking

And yes. By your interpretation. YOU are condemning all those people
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If repent and now accept Christ that sin forgiven too
Murder must repent if not than the verse say not inherit kg
It does not say that.

It says no murderer..

you can have it both ways
 

Pilgrimshope

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If you are repenting, then this means you are sinning,
So, in that case, you are not understanding what Paul teaches, and have no idea about being "made righteous"..

Here is a verse most commandment keepers and those who live to sin and confess repent, never read.

"As JESUS is....so are the born again......IN....THIS.....WORLD".

So, does that sound like you are to be sinning and confessing and repenting?
No it does not.
Honestly I can’t make sense of what you are saying
I’m talking about what the scripture says like this

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭

this part “his word is not in us.”

that’s the only reason people think they are sinless because they refuse to step into Gods light in the gospel

when Christians think they don’t have repentance to do , it’s. Cause they can’t hear Gods word

they are afraid to do this part

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the light is what makes our sin manifest

“But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:13-14, 17‬ ‭


the gospel isn’t about who sinned all already have

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that means everyone is condemned to death

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now we have to repent and believe the gospel and we can’t do that by pretending we’re righteous we have to let his light shine first so we can see

Because it’s all about this

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we deny our own sins we can pretend to be the judge of others but we refuse to step into Gods light because it exposes what in us and him les us before God that’s where we all need to be so we can be healed and made right by faith
 
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that is not true. not all anger is murder. Jesus was angry at the money changers at the temple. we can be justifiably angry without desiring to kill them. what does actually make me angry at times> seeing people who change what the Bible actually states

another example, is you saying God told you the world is flat and then saying He revealed it to you. nonsense and fabrication

we can most certainly be angry without sinning. when people lie I get angry. that is actually murder. you are murdering the truth.

20But this is not the way you came to know Christ. 21Surely you heard of Him and were taught in Him—in keeping with the truth that is in Jesus— 22to put off your former way of life, your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be renewed in the spirit of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

25Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one another. 26“Be angry, yet do not sin.”d Do not let the sun set upon your anger, 27and do not give the devil a foothold. Ephesians 4
The Lord in fact did reveal to me that the earth is flat. He clearly didn't reveal that truth to you. Your anger is a waste of emotion.
 
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Praying to Mary? That made me cringe. I was raised in the Catholic religion and there are few things more offensive than their teachings of that poor woman.
Ive been banned from "christian forums" for posting this photo.
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mary pope.jpg
 

Magenta

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How do you interpret 1 John 3:6?
In light of there being only one unforgivable sin seems a reasonable interpretation.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive
us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


If we could of ourselves attain righteousness, what need of Jesus?

Yes, God works through us to will and to do in order to fulfill
His good purpose. Still, we have yet to put on incorruptibility.


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall
not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal
must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and
this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that
is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where
is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
 
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if we deny our own sins
Salvation is not about denying sin, its about receiving righteousness.

To be born again, means that Jesus has your sin and God has made you righteous, spiritually.
 
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What was your purpose for posting it? So curious.

Someone mentioned the teachings of Mary.

So, whenever possible, i like to post the Catholic Pope looking up at a statue of Mary, adorned with a golden crown, sitting on a Throne.

Can you imagine the leader of the 2nd largest religion in the world, kissing the feet of a 30 ft plastic Mary, in worship?
Well, you dont have to imagine it as he'll kiss a 30ft statue, or a 2 ft statue of Mary.
Keep in mind, before the CC was titled "Catholic Church", it was titled "the cult of Mary",= by a Church Father., about 5ad.

Can you imagine Billy Graham kissing the feet of a plastic statue?
Can you imagine the Apostle Paul kneeling before Mary, as If He's kneeling before God?

When Jesus was dying on the Cross, He didnt refer to her as mother....>He called her "woman".
 

Pilgrimshope

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Salvation is not about denying sin, its about receiving righteousness.

To be born again, means that Jesus has your sin and God has made you righteous, spiritually.
it’s actually about acknowledging your own sins in the light of the gospel like David did we can’t repent until we get real with God this is light how it makes you feel
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“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:27-28, 30-31, 35-

that’s light brother and we need to believe and walk in it is all
I’m saying if you are able to believe that short wuote and say you are walking upright then kudos but if not let the light shine and it will change your heart