Could the tribulation start this year?

[FreeGrace2]

1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him,

These are two things, the Lord’s coming and our being gathered to Him, what we refer to as the rapture. It appears that the Lord comes secretly immediately before the rapture.

OK, thanks. So, yes, "gathered" does refer to the rapture. So obviously "coming" would have to refer to when Jesus comes.

Now, when will that occur?

we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

Everyone should be very clear that a rebellion occurs first and the man of lawlessness is revealed. There has been some wonderful exposition of Isaiah that the US is the transplanted vineyard of the Lord, the vineyard He surrounded with hedges to the East across the sea. Some have even overlaid the pattern of the temple and the items in the temple over the US and the pattern is quite fascinating. So let’s look a little closer at this, the antichrist who is to come, the “man of lawlessness” will be “impudent and brazen”. To a lesser degree we saw this with Hitler, but it will be on full display with the man of lawlessness. Second, he will be a master of intrigue. You would have to be to make a puppet president that you control from behind the scenes. But then Daniel says that he will destroy the mighty but not of his own power. The antichrist is used to destroy Jezebel. She was the wife of the King, if we were to use a modern example she is the first lady, or you could say she is the VP or even you could say she is the "speaker of the House" as most people will say the wife is in charge of the house. That is the rebellion that must take place first, it was Jezebel’s corruption that the Lord is going to judge. The antichrist destroys the mighty, destroys Jezebel and all of her confederates, but not of his own power. This is weird, one would think that Antichrist and Jezebel are on the same team, but this is a team where the protege eats the mentor. Just like what we saw happen to Cuomo. It will be the Lord Jesus with his saints as His army. They are the ones who are restraining the evil Jezebel. According to the type she hired 400 prophets of Baal, she controlled the media. Meanwhile a hundred prophets of the Lord were hidden in a cave. So it is the Lord that destroys Jezebel, but it is the antichrist who takes credit for it and as this unfolds he is revealed. The way I see it he destroys her because it is expedient.'/QUOTE]
I cannot figure out WHEN the Lord comes from this large paragraph. Could you pare it down a bit?

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

We just shifted from past tense to future tense. Before the day comes the rebellion takes place and the man of lawlessness is revealed. That takes place before we are gathered to the Lord, i.e. raptured.

OK, now we get a "when". The beast #1 (aka AC) is revealed BEFORE "we are gathered". This has to be the Second Advent then.

Or do you disagree?

But in the future, after the rapture, He will oppose and will exalt himself

Huh? v.4 describes what will occur when this beast #1 will be revealed. It clearly can't happen "after the rapture". The plain language of v.1-3 won't allow that.

 

[ZNP]

OK, thanks. So, yes, "gathered" does refer to the rapture. So obviously "coming" would have to refer to when Jesus comes.

Now, when will that occur?

You will need to explain the question better because "when will the Lord Jesus come" is way too vague.

He will come at the end of the age.

 

[randyk]

Matt 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man

Here is the iconic warning that no one knows the day or hour and says it is "as the days of Noah". So think about that. Noah was preaching the Lord's coming destruction on a daily basis. The very fact that he was building this massive ark was a testimony of God's coming destruction. The days of Noah include the day he entered the ark, one week before the rain came. So the story of Noah is illustrating what Jesus means by "no one knows the day or the hour". It certainly doesn't mean that we don't need to watch, it doesn't mean we don't need to prepare, and it doesn't mean we won't know the Lord is returning a week before the flood.

That's a good point. Noah and the Flood was indeed used by Jesus to show how the wicked are not accepting any warning for the Day and the Hour of God's Judgment. Surely, Noah's neighbors saw him loading animals into the ark, in anticipation of an imminent event? But they ignored the sign of Noah's preparation for the Flood. They ignored his example of righteous living, while the world around him persisted in living in ungodliness and in blatant wickedness.

The particular event of Noah's preparation for the Flood certainly was a clear sign that a Flood was relatively imminent. Although it certainly took some time to build the ark, it's clear that the civilization at that time paid no mind to Noah. And Noah was even told a week before the Flood broke loose that it was going to happen!

I'll give you this, that when the Antichrist arrives, and the 10 nations are brought under his control, we will know we are close to the Coming of Christ. But the wicked world, just as in Noah's time, will pay no mind to the example of righteousness set by the Church. And they will not recognize the sign of Antichrist's wickedness.

But that doesn't mean anybody is given a specific date for Christ's return. In the time of the reign of Antichrist the Church will certainly know the date of Christ's Coming is close. But unlike the example of Noah, no date will be given. The only ones ready for that event will be the Church, and not the ungodly, wicked world.

Even though the Flood and Christ's Return are being compared, we are specifically told that Christ's Return is *not* being given a specific date. Therefore, the comparison has to do with the unwillingness of the wicked to receive a sign, whether there is one or not.

God always warns the world first before judgment. And He has provided this through Noah in the days before the Flood. And He will offer warning through the Church during the reign of Antichrist, also giving opportunity to the world to repent. And though these two events are compared, it remains that Christ's Coming is not given a date.

 

[Omegatime]

Only the Father knows is part of the jewish wedding analogy. Jesus commonly used words from events in how a young couple got married such as "you were bought with a price" as a bridegroom had to pay dearly for the maiden he wanted. The young man could not rush off to get his bride without his own father's permission. Everything had to be arranged such as a honeymoon suite, and preparations for the wedding banquet. When the father was satisfied he would give his son permission.

So when the friends of the bridegroom would say--when is the big day? The bridegroom would say--Only the Father knows!

I suggest if you want to know what the Father knows, look in age and teaching of the Father--Old Testament

 

[ZNP]

But that doesn't mean anybody is given a specific date for Christ's return. In the time of the reign of Antichrist the Church will certainly know the date of Christ's Coming is close. But unlike the example of Noah, no date will be given. The only ones ready for that event will be the Church, and not the ungodly, wicked world.

There is a huge difference between saying "specific date" and referring to the Lord's Fig tree prophecy which gives a specific generation or time frame, or to Daniel's prophecies which give amazing references to time frames. Most people would see the 70th week referring to the last 7 years of this age. A more narrow time frame than a generation. Others see the time of Jacob's trouble, the ten days of awe between feast of trumpets and Atonement to refer to the last ten years of this age.

Some would say that the Revelation 12 sign that appeared during Feast of Trumpets in 2017 indicated the start of this ten year period.

Still others see the story of the Lord wanting to cut down the fig tree after three years and then being persuaded to give it one more year after dunging it refer to these last four years since the Revelation 12 sign.

Then of course there are a number of other types of the rapture that point to a harvest season like the story of Ruth or the reference to "the firstfruits".

There is the prophecy in Joel concerning a world wide pandemic that shuts down the economy which says the day of the Lord is at hand makes some look at this pandemic as a sign that the pandemic is at hand.

Then of course there is the whole Psalm 90 which says a generation is 70-80 years and then we fly away making people think that if everything needs to be fulfilled by 2028 the tribulation needs to begin by 2021. Again, not a specific date, but certainly something.

There are others who have shown the dates and numbers from Daniel clearly point to the building of the Mosque on the temple mount, to the very year, as the abomination of desolation, and if that is the case then these same numbers point directly to 2021. Again, not a specific date, but the time frame narrows.

Of course there is the prophecy in Jeremiah which says "the summer is over and we are not saved" which has caused some to theorize the first rapture takes place in the summer and in the fall those who are left behind will recognize that.

So yes, have to agree with you I am not aware of any prophecy that points to a specific date and time.

 

[randyk]

Luke 12:35 “Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36 like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the middle of the night or toward daybreak. 39 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”

41 Peter asked, “Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?”

42 The Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? 43 It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. 44 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 45 But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. 46 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

Here is a third example. The Lord comes at an hour we don't know so He can see what you are doing. Are your lamps burning? Are you ready to open to the Lord immediately when He knocks?

Now what wedding is the Lord coming from? Certainly not His. Can you imagine on your wedding night you tell your bride to wait while you dress yourself so that you can serve your servants? Is this a marriage of the church with the world, the apostasy, which has to come first?

Wherever you find the iconic "no one knows the day or the hour" it comes with the warning to watch and don't sleep, don't get drunk on the world's wine, don't become befuddled. That is the true warning.

We do watch the events going on around us. We see the example of righteousness in the Church. We see the example of wickedness in the world. And we see storm clouds rising on the horizon as a warning that God is beginning to judge wickedness.

So what are we to watch for? Not only this, but Jesus told his Church to watch out for deceptions, for anxiety associated with hype that Christ is coming today, or tomorrow--warning about times and seasons that is not our business to control. We are to watch out for false Christs who try to depict Christ's Kingdom coming in their own little cult group or religion, feigning God's favor when in reality that are living independent of God, trying to do their own thing.

We are to watch against lies, and to stay focused on the mission, and on righteousness. That is our call--not date-setting.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I feel or believe something strongly and I personally think the tribulation could very well begin this year.

Precious friends, for The church, Which is HIS Body Of CHRIST, Today, Under
God's PURE GRACE, we have had tribulation for Nearly 2000 years:

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have Peace with
God through our LORD JESUS CHRIST: By Whom also we
have access by faith into This GRACE Wherein we stand,
and rejoice in Hope of The Glory of God.

And not only so, but we glory {cp} in tribulations also: knowing
that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience;
and experience, Hope: And Hope maketh not ashamed; because
The Love Of God Is Shed Abroad in our hearts By The Holy Ghost
Which Is Given Unto us!"
(Romans_5:1-5 KJB!) {cp 2_Corinthians_11:23-30 KJB!}

The END of our suffering and tribulation is our GREAT GRACE Departure
To HEAVEN! (The Revelation Of The MYSTERY In Romans - Philemon KJB!)

This must not be Confused With, But Must Be:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

Prophecy in Genesis - John, Hebrews - Revelation:

Christ taught {Earthly} ISRAEL that THEY and the UNbelieving
nations Will, on the earth, go through the GREAT tribulation:

Mat_24:21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since
the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
(cp Revelation 7:14 KJB!)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!

 

[randyk]

There is a huge difference between saying "specific date" and referring to the Lord's Fig tree prophecy which gives a specific generation or time frame, or to Daniel's prophecies which give amazing references to time frames. Most people would see the 70th week referring to the last 7 years of this age. A more narrow time frame than a generation. Others see the time of Jacob's trouble, the ten days of awe between feast of trumpets and Atonement to refer to the last ten years of this age.

Some would say that the Revelation 12 sign that appeared during Feast of Trumpets in 2017 indicated the start of this ten year period.

Still others see the story of the Lord wanting to cut down the fig tree after three years and then being persuaded to give it one more year after dunging it refer to these last four years since the Revelation 12 sign.

Then of course there are a number of other types of the rapture that point to a harvest season like the story of Ruth or the reference to "the firstfruits".

There is the prophecy in Joel concerning a world wide pandemic that shuts down the economy which says the day of the Lord is at hand makes some look at this pandemic as a sign that the pandemic is at hand.

Then of course there is the whole Psalm 90 which says a generation is 70-80 years and then we fly away making people think that if everything needs to be fulfilled by 2028 the tribulation needs to begin by 2021. Again, not a specific date, but certainly something.

There are others who have shown the dates and numbers from Daniel clearly point to the building of the Mosque on the temple mount, to the very year, as the abomination of desolation, and if that is the case then these same numbers point directly to 2021. Again, not a specific date, but the time frame narrows.

Of course there is the prophecy in Jeremiah which says "the summer is over and we are not saved" which has caused some to theorize the first rapture takes place in the summer and in the fall those who are left behind will recognize that.

So yes, have to agree with you I am not aware of any prophecy that points to a specific date and time.

All of this is so much Bible Prophecy chatter! Christians are trying to pin point dates and times. And I don't have a problem with looking into our own history and trying to see how it equates with biblical prophecy. But trying to project into the future in details that we are not given is another thing entirely. We are to leave that kind of thing alone--it smacks more of horoscopes and crystal ball reading than real biblical prophecy.

Some prophecies give very specific dates, and some give very general dates. God determines what gets what. The 70 Weeks prophecy gave a very specific time frame for the 1st coming of Christ, and the ensuing destruction of the temple. I do not believe one can cut off the 70th Week and assign is to the Reign of Antichrist! This then would not be a 70 Week period!

Some take the 1290 days of Antiochus 4's reign in the book of Daniel and try to fit it into endtimes prophecy. That is illegitimate. The book of Revelation indicates that Antichrist's reign will only last 1260 days before the Antichristian scenario begins to be enacted.

We are simply told that Christ's Coming will not be given a precise date--even if the Flood was given one. Jesus said it! The Flood and the 2nd Coming are comparable only in the sense that the world is not prepared, due to their wickedness. But in addition, nobody can prepare for a specific date for Christ's Return.

Prophecy Calendars often go too far in trying to pinpoint details that we simply aren't given. We should stick to what Jesus said. Prophecies are given to warn people. But there is a limit to how much God will warn them. Jesus said so.

There is a pronounced difference between predicting the coming of the Flood and predicting the coming of the Son of Man. They are comparable in the sense that men will not be prepared. But they are not comparable in the sense that only with the coming of the Son of Man, *no specific date is given.*

 

[FreeGrace2]

You will need to explain the question better because "when will the Lord Jesus come" is way too vague.

He will come at the end of the age.

To be specific, and according to 2 Thess 2:1, when specifically will His "coming" and our being "gathered" occur?

Is that clear enough?

 

[ZNP]

To be specific, and according to 2 Thess 2:1, when specifically will His "coming" and our being "gathered" occur?

Is that clear enough?

Our gathering to Him is likened to a harvest, and the harvest takes place at the end of the age. The age of grace is likened to the Lord planting a field, letting it grow and then harvesting it.

According to this analogy there are several harvests there is the firstfruits, the wine grapes, the general harvest, the gleanings, and Israel will be saved in mass. We hear about tares being harvested and tossed in the fire. We hear about wheat being harvested and brought to the barn.

Rev 3:10 refers to some Christians who will be raptured prior to the tribulation, other verses are very clear that some Christians will be raptured after the tribulation, and when the Lord returns with His army to save Israel that will be the grand finale.

Some verses refer to the Lord's coming as a bridegroom coming for His bride yet that same story makes it very clear not all the virgins who are waiting for the Lord with lamps lit will be ready at that time and they will need to go buy oil from the two witnesses.

The Lord likens the rapture to Noah, who is in Hebrews 11 as a great man of faith, and his rapture was glorious. But He also likens it to Lot who is not in Hebrews 11, was not a great man of faith, and was saved by the skin of his teeth without any glory at all. Two different groups, two different events. One is pulled from the fire after having suffered loss, the other received a reward.

 

[randyk]

Rev 3:10 refers to some Christians who will be raptured prior to the tribulation, other verses are very clear that some Christians will be raptured after the tribulation, and when the Lord returns with His army to save Israel that will be the grand finale.

No, Rev 3.10 refers to a specific church gathering in the area we now call Turkey. At that time, that region suffered a particularly difficult problem, and this one church was given a reprieve from that. It has zero to do with the Rapture. As the book of Revelation itself says, we must *not* add to the words of the vision.

 

[ZNP]

No, Rev 3.10 refers to a specific church gathering in the area we now call Turkey. At that time, that region suffered a particularly difficult problem, and this one church was given a reprieve from that. It has zero to do with the Rapture. As the book of Revelation itself says, we must *not* add to the words of the vision.

Wow a lot of gymnastics, twists and turns to hold onto your doctrine and interpretation.

The New Testament is a legal document to all believers throughout the age giving us our inheritance and the provisions for that. God has spoken in many times, the book of Enoch is clearly considered a valid word of God as it is referred to and even quoted in the NT, however, it is not part of our covenant. You cannot tell me that something in the NT does not apply to me and that is what you are saying when you say this only applies to this small group at this specific time. If that were the case then God could speak to one of the church fathers, there would be dreams, prophesies, or some other vision. But it would not be in the New Testament.

 

[randyk]

Wow a lot of gymnastics, twists and turns to hold onto your doctrine and interpretation.

The New Testament is a legal document to all believers throughout the age giving us our inheritance and the provisions for that. God has spoken in many times, the book of Enoch is clearly considered a valid word of God as it is referred to and even quoted in the NT, however, it is not part of our covenant. You cannot tell me that something in the NT does not apply to me and that is what you are saying when you say this only applies to this small group at this specific time. If that were the case then God could speak to one of the church fathers, there would be dreams, prophesies, or some other vision. But it would not be in the New Testament.

Wow are you out in Left Field! Most Bible Commentators would agree with me that Jesus is speaking to *one of the 7 churches* in Asia Minor specifically referenced by Jesus! This does not mean that in principle it doesn't serve Christians with relevant information, because in principle we can learn from it, just as the Church has learned from what ancient Israel went through.

The fact you aren't aware that these are historical churches being spoken to makes me wonder how much study you really do on Revelation? I'm not saying that there aren't different views on this. But in your surprise you indicate no awareness that this position has held historically?

Barnes Notes on the Bible:
Which shall come upon all the world - The phrase used here - "all the world" - may either denote the whole world; or the whole Roman empire; or a large district of country; or the land of Judaea. See the notes on Luke 2:1. Here, perhaps, all that is implied is, that the trial would be very extensive or general - so much so as to embrace the world, as the word was understood by those to whom the epistle was addressed. It need not be supposed that the whole world literally was included in it, or even all the Roman empire, but what was the world to them - the region which they would embrace in that term. If there were some far-spreading calamity in the country where they resided, it would probably be all that would be fairly embraced in the meaning of the word. It is not known to what trial the speaker refers. It may have been some form of persecution, or it may have been some calamity by disease, earthquake, or famine that was to occur. Tacitus (see Wetstein, in loco) mentions an earthquake that sank twelve cities in Asia Minor, in one night, by which, among others, Philadelphia was deeply affected; and 'it is possible that there may have been reference here to that overwhelming calamity. But nothing can be determined with certainty in regard to this.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Our gathering to Him is likened to a harvest, and the harvest takes place at the end of the age. The age of grace is likened to the Lord planting a field, letting it grow and then harvesting it.

According to this analogy there are several harvests there is the firstfruits, the wine grapes, the general harvest, the gleanings, and Israel will be saved in mass. We hear about tares being harvested and tossed in the fire. We hear about wheat being harvested and brought to the barn.

So you believe in a "phased rapture" idea?

Rev 3:10 refers to some Christians who will be raptured prior to the tribulation, other verses are very clear that some Christians will be raptured after the tribulation, and when the Lord returns with His army to save Israel that will be the grand finale.

Rev 3:10 says nothing about missing the Trib, but will only be "kept from the hour of trial". That isn't clear statement about being raptured from the earth. Remember the Israelites were "kept from the hour of trial" in Egypt. They stayed there all during the 10 plagues. And Rev 3:10 is clearly only for the faithful believers anyway.

Some verses refer to the Lord's coming as a bridegroom coming for His bride yet that same story makes it very clear not all the virgins who are waiting for the Lord with lamps lit will be ready at that time and they will need to go buy oil from the two witnesses.

The idea of a "phased rapture" is refuted by Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Note the "singular" for 'resurrection'. There's just 2; one for the saved and one for the unsaved.

And, 1 Cor 15:24 speaks of the resurrection of the saved: "But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him."

So, considering both Acts 24:15 and 1 Cor 15:23, we see that there is only 1 resurrection of the saved, and that aligns with the Trib martyrs at the end of the Trib in Rev 20:4,5.

The Lord likens the rapture to Noah, who is in Hebrews 11 as a great man of faith, and his rapture was glorious.

But Noah wasn't "raptured", or taken off the earth. He was saved through the water of the flood, per 1 Pet 3:15. In fact, Noah's deliverance aligns with Rev 3:10. No one leaves the earth, but some, the faithful, are spared God's wrath on the earth.

But He also likens it to Lot who is not in Hebrews 11, was not a great man of faith, and was saved by the skin of his teeth without any glory at all. Two different groups, two different events. One is pulled from the fire after having suffered loss, the other received a reward.

As well, Lot wasn't raptured from the earth. He simply was led away from the wrath of God. Again, aligns with Rev 3:10.

 

[Blain]

I have been really busy with work lately so I am sorry for not responding to anyone but by no means am I trying to pinpoint anything only learn where in the season we are. Most can agree we are in the end times but how close are we to the end of the end times? some say we have been at the end for a long time others say we have yet to enter it but my purpose is not to pinpoint dates or pinpoint Christs return nor even pinpoint the rapture rather learn the truth of how close we actually are to the book of revelations unfolding and trust me when it does it will be painfully obvious horrifically obvious.

though yes for those wondering I do believe in a pretrib rapture but my spirit has lead me to the tribulation not the rapture however I do understand that people would disagree with my view and understanding and even the way I go about it I cannot say for sure if I am wrong or right I am simply searching and yes I have searched the scriptures at least theouter loayer of it but now am looking for the truth hidden within the truth the message hidden in plain sight the divine conspiracy if you will and I could have searched for the rapture I could have searched for the antichrist I could have searched for the return of Christ but God placed on my heart to study the tribulation and placed on my spirit the nearness of it so I hope my intentions are not misunderstood

 

[ZNP]

I have been really busy with work lately so I am sorry for not responding to anyone but by no means am I trying to pinpoint anything only learn where in the season we are. Most can agree we are in the end times but how close are we to the end of the end times?

Watch this

 

[Blain]

Watch this

It's interesting but I think he has a lot of speculation there are lots of people on youtube with this same kind of videos but their evidence usually amounts to nothing

For instance I don't know why he said Obama showed himself as the snake or the lightning that fell from heaven in the interview that seems like speculation him asking is the antichrist is going to be revealed is also speculation and while I do think there is some things to look into in his video I am just not sure about him to be honest

 

[ZNP]

It's interesting but I think he has a lot of speculation there are lots of people on youtube with this same kind of videos but their evidence usually amounts to nothing

For instance I don't know why he said Obama showed himself as the snake or the lightning that fell from heaven in the interview that seems like speculation him asking is the antichrist is going to be revealed is also speculation and while I do think there is some things to look into in his video I am just not sure about him to be honest

Are you familiar with the solar eclipses and lunar eclipses that he was referring to? If not you need to watch The Return of the King they have some videos that go over all of them and their significance. Some people give complete messages of 1-2 hours, others like him just give you one new point at a time. If you have not been following along you are lost.

 

[pottersclay]

All of this is so much Bible Prophecy chatter! Christians are trying to pin point dates and times. And I don't have a problem with looking into our own history and trying to see how it equates with biblical prophecy. But trying to project into the future in details that we are not given is another thing entirely. We are to leave that kind of thing alone--it smacks more of horoscopes and crystal ball reading than real biblical prophecy.

Some prophecies give very specific dates, and some give very general dates. God determines what gets what. The 70 Weeks prophecy gave a very specific time frame for the 1st coming of Christ, and the ensuing destruction of the temple. I do not believe one can cut off the 70th Week and assign is to the Reign of Antichrist! This then would not be a 70 Week period!

Some take the 1290 days of Antiochus 4's reign in the book of Daniel and try to fit it into endtimes prophecy. That is illegitimate. The book of Revelation indicates that Antichrist's reign will only last 1260 days before the Antichristian scenario begins to be enacted.

We are simply told that Christ's Coming will not be given a precise date--even if the Flood was given one. Jesus said it! The Flood and the 2nd Coming are comparable only in the sense that the world is not prepared, due to their wickedness. But in addition, nobody can prepare for a specific date for Christ's Return.

Prophecy Calendars often go too far in trying to pinpoint details that we simply aren't given. We should stick to what Jesus said. Prophecies are given to warn people. But there is a limit to how much God will warn them. Jesus said so.

There is a pronounced difference between predicting the coming of the Flood and predicting the coming of the Son of Man. They are comparable in the sense that men will not be prepared. But they are not comparable in the sense that only with the coming of the Son of Man, *no specific date is given.*

The age of grace has put a temporary stop to the time line ...more precise the( appointed times) in which jesus is to return. It is referred to as the time of the gentiles.

 

[TheLordIsMyRedeemer]

I have been really busy with work lately so I am sorry for not responding to anyone but by no means am I trying to pinpoint anything only learn where in the season we are. Most can agree we are in the end times but how close are we to the end of the end times? some say we have been at the end for a long time others say we have yet to enter it but my purpose is not to pinpoint dates or pinpoint Christs return nor even pinpoint the rapture rather learn the truth of how close we actually are to the book of revelations unfolding and trust me when it does it will be painfully obvious horrifically obvious.

though yes for those wondering I do believe in a pretrib rapture but my spirit has lead me to the tribulation not the rapture however I do understand that people would disagree with my view and understanding and even the way I go about it I cannot say for sure if I am wrong or right I am simply searching and yes I have searched the scriptures at least theouter loayer of it but now am looking for the truth hidden within the truth the message hidden in plain sight the divine conspiracy if you will and I could have searched for the rapture I could have searched for the antichrist I could have searched for the return of Christ but God placed on my heart to study the tribulation and placed on my spirit the nearness of it so I hope my intentions are not misunderstood

I can understand your desire to learn more about the end times and I wish you the best in your studies. I do think we are already in Daniel's 70th week or "the tribulation." Some hold to the view that the start of "the tribulation" is the start of the Wrath of God and that the rapture has to occur before or at the start of "the tribulation." Although I disagree with that view, I understand why some Christians hold to that view. I think we can be in the tribulation period and not be experiencing God's wrath. I think looking at what is occurring in Israel right now holds a clue for us interested in eschatology. The Time of Jacob's Trouble seems to be approaching quite quickly. It is my view that we are now approximately 1 to 2 years from the midpoint of the approximate 7 year timeframe.

The Israeli military leaders are stating they are preparing to strike Iran. Also, there has been so many exchanges between Israel and Iran's proxies in the last six months or so, including that prolonged rocket attack from Hamas that lasted about 10 days. An EU vaccine "passport" is being introduced across all 27 member nations - plus Switzerland, Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein. China and Israel have introduced similar measures. What we are seeing is the development of a global system that will eventually lead to that final mark of the beast system being put into place.

It is my view that the remnant church will be glorified and then be used to help the Lord in the final harvest of souls. Those wise virgins who have plenty of oil will help bring healing and deliverance to those souls who are lukewarm or who have not been walking in His Spirit. As this is happening, the mark of the beast will likely be in place. These new converts will have to refuse the mark obviously. It is my view that the rapture or harpazo event will happen after the glorification when the main harvest crop is ready.