TRANSGENDERISM

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

mustaphadrink

Senior Member
Dec 13, 2013
1,987
372
83
#1
Have you had the experience when you have been studying something and been looking for information and facts about a subject and you get an aha moment and things fall into place?

I had one this morning about transgendersim. I was reading an article which threw up some interesting ideas about the subject and it dawned on me what was going on.

As you probably know that transgendersim is all about a girl becoming a boy and a boy becoming a girl. They are not happy being their birth sex so they want to become the opposite as they believe that will solve all their unhappiness.

Judging by the number of people that are de-transgenderising it is very clear it solves nothing.

To this point I knew that those wanting to change sex had underlying problems that caused their unhappiness. One of the most common ones is autism. Even when they had changed from male to female or female to male the autism didn’t go away.

Another one particularly amongst girls is that they thought boys were treated better than girls so if they became a boy, they would be treated better. But it did not happen because deep down they knew they were a girl so they could not play out the role of a being a boy.

Another underlying reason is that the person concerned had ADHD and changing sex was seen as a way of getting rid of it. Except for one thing. It didn’t.

So, enough males and females have realised that changing their sex made no different to solving the problem they thought they had that would be solved by changing their sex.

Now, underlying this as is the case with all aberrations thrown up by society, is that it is basically a work of Satan to distort God’s image. He has been trying to do that from day one for the simple reason that every time he sees a male or as female he sees God and that revolts him.

Today, I realised that transgenderism is just another step further along the road from homosexuality which is another distortion of God’s image. It is another way that Satan can screw up what is and should be normal.

Now, what is the core of this issue? I believe it is in a question that they never ask. Did your parents both work full time?

In my country the government is working overtime to make it easy for mothers to go out to work full time. What does that mean? Simply this. The children are abandoned to full time carers that are foreigners to the children.

There is medical evidence that a baby recognises their mothers voice in the womb. When they are born their closest and most important relationship is with the mother.

Six months or a year later they are ripped away from that comforting and familiar contact and they are passed on to a stranger that the do not know or care for and have no close bond with.

End result. Who am I? Babies, children understand much more than what we think. One minute it is comfort, cosy and predictable and then all of sudden they are plunged into a strange world of foreigners, and they have to fight for attention with 20 others.

NOT GOOD. At the back of their mind is money is more important than me. I want my mummy, not a new teddy bear.

So we produce a generation of children who deep down feel abandoned, don’t know who they are and feel unimportant. In other words, totally confused.

Enter Transgendersim. If I don’t know who I am why not experiment with being the opposite sex. I have got nothing to lose as my parents don’t care about me. I have had nothing but misery since I have been born, so let’s try the alternative. They hear of or see others in the same boat, so they go down the same path, known as social cohesion.

Some transgenders have homosexual tendencies so they change sex so they can have a normal relationship with a person of the opposite sex.
All in all, what you might call one big unholy mess. The sad thing is that government, the medical and educational authorities have bought into the lie and are encouraging it. In a word, they are destroying young lives and are being paid to do it.

All teenagers go through angst in some form or another and in the past we rode through the storm with them, and they came out the other side relatively normal.

Today it is “Problems, get a sex change.” If you disagree you are transphobic. Even parents are not allowed to have a different view. This seems to be the standard reply for anyone who thinks differently about the aberrations being thrown up today as an answer to life’s problems. Disagree and you are being charged with hate speech.

Of course, we know who came up with that nonsensical idea.

So, what is the answer to all this. My advice is this. Think very, very carefully before you abandon your child to a stranger and deprive it of the relationship which the child should have and needs. That of its mother. After all. You gave birth to the child, not to pass it onto a stranger to raise. Rather to raise it, love it and to inculcate the values that are important to you.

Research shows that the main reason why children love grandparents so much is that they have always got time. If time is so important to children, it has to start with the parents.
 
Sep 15, 2019
9,989
5,540
113
#2
They've been planning this transgenderism for a good while. Like you say, the first step was putting women in the workforce. At first, it was optional, now, it is very difficult for families to survive without both parents working. Media selling point - males and females are equal. But they're very different. A male with financial security will often look to find a wife and start a family. Females are usually different, so the net result is fewer or smaller families.

Boys used to excel in school rather than girls. NWO solution - change the way the subjects are taught (like maths/science) to make them more subjective, and less objective. Girls start performing better. Add in gender discrimination to provide "equality" in the workforce, and you get less job prospects for men, more for women (and more for lesbians/homosexuals/deviants), and you get fewer/smaller families.

The propaganda even extends into biology and medicine. Originally, it started with efforts equating circumcision (a relatively routine hygiene/religious procedure which has been practiced since bible times) with female genital mutilation (a barbaric and cruel mutilation of women), because - so they claim - males and females are the same. It has moved on from there, with efforts to rename parts of female anatomy to base descriptors which could be applied to either gender, and acceptance-as-normal of abominations such as males giving birth (not to mention males in female change rooms and sports).

Raising children in a Christian, loving home will generally provide a good defence against all such propaganda. But send the children to daycare without the influence of loving parents, and even the craziest ideas become believable to impressionable children.

Gender is a deep-rooted part of who we are. If this is destroyed by transgenderism, it is potentially irrepairable. Even if an individual later comes to realise he/she really is a male/female, the damage will often be done, and too late to reverse and allow a full life for the deceived.
 

presidente

Senior Member
May 29, 2013
9,164
1,794
113
#3
Have you had the experience when you have been studying something and been looking for information and facts about a subject and you get an aha moment and things fall into place?

I had one this morning about transgendersim. I was reading an article which threw up some interesting ideas about the subject and it dawned on me what was going on.

As you probably know that transgendersim is all about a girl becoming a boy and a boy becoming a girl. They are not happy being their birth sex so they want to become the opposite as they believe that will solve all their unhappiness.

Judging by the number of people that are de-transgenderising it is very clear it solves nothing.

To this point I knew that those wanting to change sex had underlying problems that caused their unhappiness. One of the most common ones is autism. Even when they had changed from male to female or female to male the autism didn’t go away.

Another one particularly amongst girls is that they thought boys were treated better than girls so if they became a boy, they would be treated better. But it did not happen because deep down they knew they were a girl so they could not play out the role of a being a boy.

Another underlying reason is that the person concerned had ADHD and changing sex was seen as a way of getting rid of it. Except for one thing. It didn’t.

So, enough males and females have realised that changing their sex made no different to solving the problem they thought they had that would be solved by changing their sex.

Now, underlying this as is the case with all aberrations thrown up by society, is that it is basically a work of Satan to distort God’s image. He has been trying to do that from day one for the simple reason that every time he sees a male or as female he sees God and that revolts him.

Today, I realised that transgenderism is just another step further along the road from homosexuality which is another distortion of God’s image. It is another way that Satan can screw up what is and should be normal.

Now, what is the core of this issue? I believe it is in a question that they never ask. Did your parents both work full time?

In my country the government is working overtime to make it easy for mothers to go out to work full time. What does that mean? Simply this. The children are abandoned to full time carers that are foreigners to the children.

There is medical evidence that a baby recognises their mothers voice in the womb. When they are born their closest and most important relationship is with the mother.

Six months or a year later they are ripped away from that comforting and familiar contact and they are passed on to a stranger that the do not know or care for and have no close bond with.

End result. Who am I? Babies, children understand much more than what we think. One minute it is comfort, cosy and predictable and then all of sudden they are plunged into a strange world of foreigners, and they have to fight for attention with 20 others.

NOT GOOD. At the back of their mind is money is more important than me. I want my mummy, not a new teddy bear.

So we produce a generation of children who deep down feel abandoned, don’t know who they are and feel unimportant. In other words, totally confused.

Enter Transgendersim. If I don’t know who I am why not experiment with being the opposite sex. I have got nothing to lose as my parents don’t care about me. I have had nothing but misery since I have been born, so let’s try the alternative. They hear of or see others in the same boat, so they go down the same path, known as social cohesion.

Some transgenders have homosexual tendencies so they change sex so they can have a normal relationship with a person of the opposite sex.
All in all, what you might call one big unholy mess. The sad thing is that government, the medical and educational authorities have bought into the lie and are encouraging it. In a word, they are destroying young lives and are being paid to do it.

All teenagers go through angst in some form or another and in the past we rode through the storm with them, and they came out the other side relatively normal.

Today it is “Problems, get a sex change.” If you disagree you are transphobic. Even parents are not allowed to have a different view. This seems to be the standard reply for anyone who thinks differently about the aberrations being thrown up today as an answer to life’s problems. Disagree and you are being charged with hate speech.

Of course, we know who came up with that nonsensical idea.

So, what is the answer to all this. My advice is this. Think very, very carefully before you abandon your child to a stranger and deprive it of the relationship which the child should have and needs. That of its mother. After all. You gave birth to the child, not to pass it onto a stranger to raise. Rather to raise it, love it and to inculcate the values that are important to you.

Research shows that the main reason why children love grandparents so much is that they have always got time. If time is so important to children, it has to start with the parents.
This is a very sad, sick, and alarming trend in our society.

I have read that over 40% of those who have full transgender operations commit suicide. It is not all about their being rejected by the public. They are having major surgeries to remove or deform parts of their body, get their body pumped full of hormones.

A man who has a transgender operation is a man. He is a eunuch with parts disfigured to look like those of a woman. A woman who has a transgender operation is still a woman. She just had her parts disfigured to look like those of a man. What i do not get is that even some Christians do not realize this. If you are a man and you marry a transexual who started out as a man and have sex, you are having same-sex relations.

The transgenderism idea goes along with PostModern thinking, that there is no objective reality. They consider people's genders to be whatever they think it is in their mind, what they 'identify as. There was a young white man on the news who said he identified as a Filippino woman. That does not make him a Filippino woman.

The next time a social injustice warrior wants to persecute someone for speaking out against the trans insanity and calls them 'transphobic', then you can point out that they are being discriminatory toward the handicapped. The ADA protects those with psychological disorders. if opposing their point of view is a 'phobia' then it should be a legally protected category.

I saw a video recently of a big tall dude-dressed like a lady who through a hissy fit in a Vietnam Veteran's store because he had some poster up, probably about gender issues. The older man said that the problem with people like him is that no one confronts them. The dude-dressed-like-a-lady disagreed. He told the giant trans man that he wasn't a woman. No one would see him and think he was a woman. He looked disgusting. it was all true. Men dressing like women and vice versa is disgusting/an abomination to the LORD according to scripture. Many of us can see that. It is repulsive to many of us to see a man in makeup and a dress. I cannot see myself having such a harsh conversation, but there does seem to be some benefit to social pressure against this weirdness.

Now, with society encouraging it, kids who just want to fit in, who want to find acceptance may consider weird stuff. High Schools have pro-LGBT clubs-- sexual preference themed clubs. Kids can join the trans or gay group and get acceptance. Kids brainwashed by Hollywood and the PC movement will stand up for them and oppose kids who tell them who stupid they are acting. Then there are kids watching TikTok who see other kids who claim to have some made-up gender. Then there is a movement toward pumping kids full of hormones.

I saw a trans activist post that pointed toward an academic paper that showed that giving puberty blockers to kids at a certain age reduced certain measures of teenaged stress. Keeping kids from growing up physically was supposed to be good for them. That would be like giving kids meds to suppress baby teeth from falling out. That would save them some stress and pain, then they would have a rotten mouth at 20. It does not prepare them for a healthy life.

For my birthday when I was a child, my parents took me to see a movie. There was a long line for Rocky. I was curious. They took me to see the Apple Dumpling Gang, an unmemorable movie, which was more of a kids movie. The misfit outlaws in the movie dressed like women to hide. Even then, it was disgusting to see, and it was not funny to me. My parents didn't like the cross dressing in the movie.
 
Sep 15, 2019
9,989
5,540
113
#4
I saw a video recently of a big tall dude-dressed like a lady who through a hissy fit in a Vietnam Veteran's store because he had some poster up, probably about gender issues. The older man said that the problem with people like him is that no one confronts them. The dude-dressed-like-a-lady disagreed. He told the giant trans man that he wasn't a woman. No one would see him and think he was a woman. He looked disgusting. it was all true. Men dressing like women and vice versa is disgusting/an abomination to the LORD according to scripture. Many of us can see that. It is repulsive to many of us to see a man in makeup and a dress. I cannot see myself having such a harsh conversation, but there does seem to be some benefit to social pressure against this weirdness.
I was going to mention that, but didn't, in case it caused offence. But as you already know about this, I will comment. I think the verteran had posted in his store "If you were born with a dick, you're not a chick". Lol. And the eunuch (or guy with serious mental issues - whatever he was) took offence.

Hopefully the guy with mental issues learned some important life lessons that day.
 
Mar 4, 2020
8,614
3,691
113
#5
Daily red pill: The LGBTQetc agenda is about discouraging family growth and breeding. The push for mass immigration, abortions, women working, and various forms of propaganda are fundamentally about gradual population replacement in Western countries.
 

CS1

Well-known member
May 23, 2012
13,073
4,358
113
#6
I was going to mention that, but didn't, in case it caused offence. But as you already know about this, I will comment. I think the verteran had posted in his store "If you were born with a dick, you're not a chick". Lol. And the eunuch (or guy with serious mental issues - whatever he was) took offence.

Hopefully the guy with mental issues learned some important life lessons that day.
no need to quote vulgarity to make your point.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,404
29,643
113
#7
Adam had both male and female attributes within him until God removed the feminine in the making of Eve.

Sometimes I wonder if there is some residual genetic imbalance more evident in some than others
that causes them to feel such a dichotomy in such a polarized fashion within their own bodies.
 

presidente

Senior Member
May 29, 2013
9,164
1,794
113
#9
Daily red pill: The LGBTQetc agenda is about discouraging family growth and breeding. The push for mass immigration, abortions, women working, and various forms of propaganda are fundamentally about gradual population replacement in Western countries.
I don't think that is their agenda, from their own perspective, at least. It is a side effect, and LGBTQ fits with a population decreasing agenda.

LGBTQ folks generally want to justify their lusts. And they want others to justify and support them in their lusts.
 

mustaphadrink

Senior Member
Dec 13, 2013
1,987
372
83
#10
This is a very sad, sick, and alarming trend in our society.

I have read that over 40% of those who have full transgender operations commit suicide. It is not all about their being rejected by the public. They are having major surgeries to remove or deform parts of their body, get their body pumped full of hormones.

A man who has a transgender operation is a man. He is a eunuch with parts disfigured to look like those of a woman. A woman who has a transgender operation is still a woman. She just had her parts disfigured to look like those of a man. What i do not get is that even some Christians do not realize this. If you are a man and you marry a transexual who started out as a man and have sex, you are having same-sex relations.

The transgenderism idea goes along with PostModern thinking, that there is no objective reality. They consider people's genders to be whatever they think it is in their mind, what they 'identify as. There was a young white man on the news who said he identified as a Filippino woman. That does not make him a Filippino woman.

The next time a social injustice warrior wants to persecute someone for speaking out against the trans insanity and calls them 'transphobic', then you can point out that they are being discriminatory toward the handicapped. The ADA protects those with psychological disorders. if opposing their point of view is a 'phobia' then it should be a legally protected category.

I saw a video recently of a big tall dude-dressed like a lady who through a hissy fit in a Vietnam Veteran's store because he had some poster up, probably about gender issues. The older man said that the problem with people like him is that no one confronts them. The dude-dressed-like-a-lady disagreed. He told the giant trans man that he wasn't a woman. No one would see him and think he was a woman. He looked disgusting. it was all true. Men dressing like women and vice versa is disgusting/an abomination to the LORD according to scripture. Many of us can see that. It is repulsive to many of us to see a man in makeup and a dress. I cannot see myself having such a harsh conversation, but there does seem to be some benefit to social pressure against this weirdness.

Now, with society encouraging it, kids who just want to fit in, who want to find acceptance may consider weird stuff. High Schools have pro-LGBT clubs-- sexual preference themed clubs. Kids can join the trans or gay group and get acceptance. Kids brainwashed by Hollywood and the PC movement will stand up for them and oppose kids who tell them who stupid they are acting. Then there are kids watching TikTok who see other kids who claim to have some made-up gender. Then there is a movement toward pumping kids full of hormones.

I saw a trans activist post that pointed toward an academic paper that showed that giving puberty blockers to kids at a certain age reduced certain measures of teenaged stress. Keeping kids from growing up physically was supposed to be good for them. That would be like giving kids meds to suppress baby teeth from falling out. That would save them some stress and pain, then they would have a rotten mouth at 20. It does not prepare them for a healthy life.

For my birthday when I was a child, my parents took me to see a movie. There was a long line for Rocky. I was curious. They took me to see the Apple Dumpling Gang, an unmemorable movie, which was more of a kids movie. The misfit outlaws in the movie dressed like women to hide. Even then, it was disgusting to see, and it was not funny to me. My parents didn't like the cross dressing in the movie.
I am glad that you remarked about no objective reality. That in itself is guaranteed to cause confusion and insecurity. If nothing is nothing uless you make it something which is what no objective reality produces, you have no evidence that what you have embraced may or may not be reality. That being the case, no one knows what reality is. It is only reality until the next demand comes along and changes that reality. So one never knows what reality is.

For the believer it is the exact opposite. We base our lives on the unchanging word of God which is the same yesterday, today and forever. So whatever life throws at us we always have a foundation that we can turn to. No wonder atheists and lefties hate us. I am sure that we exude a security that they wish they had but which will always elude them.
 

mustaphadrink

Senior Member
Dec 13, 2013
1,987
372
83
#11
I was going to mention that, but didn't, in case it caused offence. But as you already know about this, I will comment. I think the verteran had posted in his store "If you were born with a dick, you're not a chick". Lol. And the eunuch (or guy with serious mental issues - whatever he was) took offence.

Hopefully the guy with mental issues learned some important life lessons that day.
In the days of the 30 second sound grab which we are in, pithy comments like that do the job admirably. And of course, in an era of the law against offence, which is always taken, never given, it was obvious that someone would take offence.
 

mustaphadrink

Senior Member
Dec 13, 2013
1,987
372
83
#12
Adam had both male and female attributes within him until God removed the feminine in the making of Eve.

Sometimes I wonder if there is some residual genetic imbalance more evident in some than others
that causes them to feel such a dichotomy in such a polarized fashion within their own bodies.
Do you think that when God removed the feminine from Adam, it had lasting side effects.
 
Sep 15, 2019
9,989
5,540
113
#13
no need to quote vulgarity to make your point.
I apologise CS1, as I had no intention to offend (at least, not from a vulgarity point of view). I'm happy for you to censor the offending word if you prefer, but I can no longer edit what was written. Different cultures/countries have different standards for which words are vulgar and which are not.
 

Encouragement

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2020
1,488
1,298
113
#14
Adam had both male and female attributes within him until God removed the feminine in the making of Eve.

Sometimes I wonder if there is some residual genetic imbalance more evident in some than others
that causes them to feel such a dichotomy in such a polarized fashion within their own bodies.
Really?..
So you are saying that the rib that God removed from Adam was actually a kind of representation of a feminine trait within him..and it was because of this feminine attribute God use it in the creation of eve?
Just thought to clarify this.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,777
113
#15
So we produce a generation of children who deep down feel abandoned, don’t know who they are and feel unimportant. In other words, totally confused.
You've hit the nail on the head. But hardly anyone wants to see the real problem and address it. Then we have the public schools indoctrinating children and filling their heads with rubbish.

At the same time, as you have pointed out Satan has his hand in corrupting mankind and this is another aspect of that. The only solution for all mankind is to truly repent and then be born of the Spirit by faith in Christ and his finished work of redemption.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,777
113
#16
Adam had both male and female attributes within him until God removed the feminine in the making of Eve.
God did not remove "the feminine" from Adam as you claim. God removed a RIB -- a bone -- from Adam's rib cage. Thus Adam said about Eve "bone of my bones".

God has made humans male and female from the beginning, and they are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT. Transgenderism is total nonsense and also extremely dangerous.

As a side note, there are no missing ribs in human beings. There are twelve pairs of ribs in each rib cage (man or woman). The number "12" also has spiritual significance in Scripture. The twelve apostles of the Lamb will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel (in the Kingdom of God under Christ). And not one of them will be a woman (to the chagrin of feminists).
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,404
29,643
113
#17
Do you think that when God removed the feminine from Adam, it had lasting side effects.
I'm not sure what you mean :unsure: However, the hormones that predominate in the making of a man are also present in a woman, and vice versa. By "in the making of" I mean on top of the person starting out with the xx or xy chromosome pairings at conception which determine gender. People do not have the same amount of these hormones in their physiological make-up. How that expresses itself across the spectrum of human differences is an interesting study, and the controversy rages over whether people are born with certain proclivities or not. I find it interesting, don't you? Especially since it is a widely acknowledged fact that genetics and hormones play a very significant role in any number of conditions, disorders, afflictions, and disease. I also find it interesting that people are so intent on hating those who are different than they are. Human history is rife with the clashes, conflicts, and wars born out of this.
 
Jul 28, 2021
1,226
406
83
#18
I was going to mention that, but didn't, in case it caused offence. But as you already know about this, I will comment. I think the verteran had posted in his store "If you were born with a dick, you're not a chick". Lol. And the eunuch (or guy with serious mental issues - whatever he was) took offence.

Hopefully the guy with mental issues learned some important life lessons that day.
I saw that video. It was awesome. That fool wearing fake boobs, high heels and lipstick looked like a complete idiot.

Someone needs to tell these people that mutilating your body and taking hormones will NEVER change their gender.
 
Jul 28, 2021
1,226
406
83
#19
In the days of the 30 second sound grab which we are in, pithy comments like that do the job admirably. And of course, in an era of the law against offence, which is always taken, never given, it was obvious that someone would take offence.
The truth is offensive.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,404
29,643
113
#20
God did not remove "the feminine" from Adam as you claim. God removed a RIB -- a bone -- from Adam's rib cage. Thus Adam said about Eve "bone of my bones".

God has made humans male and female from the beginning....
Many people believe that all genetic material was present in Adam before Eve was made. Of course you are free to differ.