The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

brightfame52 · Aug 9, 2021

Saves us from a Lost condition !

All for whom Christ died, he saves them experimentally from a lost condition. This was stated to be His objective Matt 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

This promise of saving is limited to His People however, the seed of Abraham, the Church.

Now even His people are born into this world experientially lost and alienated from the life of God.

Eph 4:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Col 1:21

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

This applies even to God's Elect, along with the non elect, those who do not belong to God, but their father the devil !

Notice that one of the symptoms of a spiritually lost condition is " Blindness of heart"

While in this condition, no one can believe the True Gospel because they are under the power of the evil one, the devil, which means they are in a lost condition spiritually. 2 Cor 4:3-4

3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Its pretty cut and dry here, those in a lost condition have the gospel hid from them, because their minds are blinded by the god of this world, satan, or the prince of this world as per Jn 12:31,14:30;16:11

So, those Christ died for, though by nature as other's that are lost, they will not remain so, satans grip on them has been defeated by Christ's work on their behalf 1 Jn 3:8

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

This word destroy means :

to loose, dissolve, sever, break, demolish,"

Now, Christ's purpose through His death, in saving His Church from their sins, was to loose, dissove, demolish satan's power over them !

One of such works is blindness of mind and heart, which causes unbelief in the Gospel 2 Cor 4:3-4

But since Christ's work on their behalf has defeated satan, Christ opens up their blind eyes Isa 42:7

7To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

This is a work of God, to open the eyes of the blind, to turn them from the power of darkness Acts 26:18

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

This verse describes how God , through Christ, saves His people from a lost idolatrous condition, and gives them Faith in Christ as their Saviour.

Each and every person Christ died for, will experience a deliverance, a salvation from the power of darkness, the works of the devil, of which one of those works of his is keep one in unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4

3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not

So if one comes to believe the Gospel, it makes evident they had been saved from a lost condition prior to believing !

brightfame52 · Aug 10, 2021

A Few things Jesus did for His People !

Rev 1:5-6

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

John writing to the Church listed a few things here that Christ did for His Church, His Bride !

First it is written that He Loved them ! Paul writes of the same Church Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

John writes following that He Loved the Church, that He washed them with His own Blood !

And of course Paul says the same thing in Eph 5:26 following that He Loved the Church, that He may, sanctify it, and cleanse it !

That John and Paul are teaching the same thing is seen by the word wash they both use.

Now John uses the word louō which means:

to bathe, wash

a) of a dead person

b) washing to cleanse blood out of wounds

Now Paul uses the word for washing in vs 26 loutron:

bathing, bath, the act of bathing

Pretty much the same word, in fact it is derived from the same word John used in Rev 1:5

And Also He made them a Kings and Priests unto God !

How did He do that ? By New Birth into His Kingdom, through causing them to be born again through His resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This translates them into His Kingdom Col 1:13

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Hence they are made Kings and Priest unto God ! This Peter affirms 1 Pet 2:9

9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Remember Peter had wrote of this Royal Priesthood that they had been what in 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

All this was done by Christ's death, burial, and resurrection for His Church, that He Loved. The freewill of man had nothing to do with this, it was all by Christ's redemptive blood, and so as John writes Rev 1:6b95

to him [Christ] be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

brightfame52 · Aug 11, 2021

Saves from a Lost condition !

Lk 19:10

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Couple that with Matt 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

The Church, God's Elect , those Christ died for, though by nature they are in a Lost condition, experimentally alienated from the Life of God, during which time, they are blinded by the god of this world and in unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4

3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Yes, even the elect, by nature are experimentally lost in their unbelief as others, yet they will not remain so, satan's grip on them has been defeated by Christ's work on their behalf [Lk 11:21-22] and the blindness of mind whereby they once believed not, tis defeated, and Christ opens up their blind eyes, then they believe the Gospel Isa 42:7

7To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

When a Person believes the True Gospel, it is a evidence that they have been saved from satan's power !

brightfame52 · Aug 12, 2021

Delivers From Death !

Prov 11:4

Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

Everyone Christ died for, was made sin for, was made the Righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21

21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

All those God imputed their sins to Christ, He in like fashion imputed His Righteousness unto them. By The Obedience of One, many shall be made Righteous. Rom 5:19, The Obedience spoken of in that verse, is that obedience to the Cross unto death of those He had their sins Imputed to Him !

Christ's Righteousness imputed demands Life ! Righteousness demands Life, just as sin demanded death, Righteousness imputed demands life.

That Christ's death delivers from death those He Loved and died for, is manifested by their New Birth, or some may call it regeneration or quckening Eph 2:5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

That word quickened is the greek word syzōopoieō and means:

to make one alive together

a) of Christians, with Christ

Col 2:13

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Yes, All for whom Christ died must be and are made alive together with Him. No this was not because they repented, or had faith or any performance of theirs, because they were dead ! Read Eph 2:5 again ! The quickening took place while we were dead in sin !

Folks it is impossible for any Christ died for to remain in spiritual death experimentally or else His Death did not do it's Job, it was not effectual. It was not even as effectual as adam's act of disobedience was, which caused all for whom He represented to experience spiritual death; But Christ's Death, His act of Righteousness brings Life Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Thats the Life of Eph 2:5, that quickening together with Christ ! That Life is also called a Resurrection or a Living Jn 5:25

25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

It takes a miracle for the dead to hear ! However being quickened or made alive with Christ through His Resurrection from the dead effects the New Birth of everyone Christ died and rose for 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,97

All of this occurs to each and Every Child of Grace because Christ's Righteousness delivers from Death ! Amen to the Glory of God !

brightfame52 · Aug 13, 2021

The First Resurrection !

It takes a miracle for the dead to hear ! However being quickened or made alive with Christ through His Resurrection from the dead effects the New Birth of everyone Christ died and rose for 1 Pet 1:3

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The First resurrection from the Dead is the Lord Jesus Christ. The firstbegotten from the dead Col 1:18

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Rev 1:5

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Both of these scriptures speak to the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead !

Now Peter says by that Resurrection, those Christ died for, were begotten again unto a lively Hope !

That's because they were quickened together with Him Eph 2:5-6

Now that is what John means in the Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection was Christ's Col 1:18; Rev 1:5 and those who were quickened together with Him, had part in the First Resurrection !

Blessed and Holy are those who took part of that Resurrection, for the second death has no power over them ! 98

reneweddaybyday · Aug 13, 2021

brightfame52 said:

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

brightfame52 said:

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened ...

Who is the "you" He has quickened?

We must go back to Ephesians 1 to determine who is the "you".

You do know that all chapter breaks and verses were not part of the original text. Chapters and verse numbers were added later. At the time Paul wrote the letter to the Ephesians it was not broken out into verses/chapters ... you know this, right brightfame52?

Ephesians 1:15-22 is Paul's prayer for the believers who had trusted after they heard the word of truth ... after they heard the gospel of salvation they believed, after they believed they were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Ephesians 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

brightfame52 said:

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

brightfame52 · Aug 13, 2021

reneweddaybyday said:

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened ...

Who is the "you" He has quickened?

We must go back to Ephesians 1 to determine who is the "you".

You do know that all chapter breaks and verses were not part of the original text. Chapters and verse numbers were added later. At the time Paul wrote the letter to the Ephesians it was not broken out into verses/chapters ... you know this, right brightfame52?

Ephesians 1:15-22 is Paul's prayer for the believers who had trusted after they heard the word of truth ... after they heard the gospel of salvation they believed, after they believed they were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Ephesians 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Do you understand the points made ?

brightfame52 · Aug 14, 2021

Eternal Redemption

Christ through His death, accomplished Eternal Redemption for all whom He died ! Heb 9:12

12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The us is the every son whom He tasted death in the behalf of Heb 2:999

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

For all Christ died He obtained or secured or achieved their redemption forever !

Lets define the word redemption here, it is the greek word lytrōsis and means:

a ransoming, redemption

2) deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin

Scripture Truth is saying here that Christ has secured, achieved eternal deliverance from the penalty of sin for all whom He tasted death in behalf of !

And so it is never, not in a trillion years, any possibility of them being condemned for sin. to them for whom He died Rom 8:1,34

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died!

Now if any man or woman teaches that one for whom Christ died can be condemned for sin, and Christ has already been condemned for it when He died for them, they speak against Christ, they are Anti Christ, for they are anti or against the Truth of the accomplishment of His Finished work for all He died in behalf of, and propitiated the Divine Justice for ! And to whomever He obtained this Eternal Redemption for, He will reveal it to them by His Spirit Jn 16:14-15

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

That word shew is the greek word anaggellō and means:

to announce, make known

2) to report, bring back tidings, rehearse

This is a Promise to the Church, those Christ died in behalf of, yes He was speaking to His disciples, but so doing he was speaking to His Church that they were Representatives of !

So anyone, and I mean anyone, teaching that one for whom Christ died can yet be punished for their sins, they are anti Christ, and know not the Truth !

Kidron · Aug 14, 2021

brightfame52 said:

God will never "punish" the born again.
He has already Judged His Son on their behalf.

brightfame52 · Aug 14, 2021

Kidron said:

True, however He already had judged the Son on their behalf before they were ever born again. If Christ died in 33 ad on the cross, and a person is born a sinner in 1957, has not all their sins they will commit thereafter already judged in Christ back in 33 ad ?

Kidron · Aug 14, 2021

brightfame52 said:

Christ died for the sin of the world.
His blood is still doing this., as this is why people get saved today and tomorrow.
Thats 2000 yrs later, and God's blood is still forgiving sin.
That same blood keeps the born again, as...>"The righteousness of God, in Christ".

brightfame52 · Aug 14, 2021

kidron

What about for those people who are never born again and die in their sins ? Did Christ died for them also ?

JerryInBoston · Aug 14, 2021

brightfame52 said:

Christ died for those that believe in Him, and those that believe God foreknew, and those whom God foreknew HE predestined, and those God predestined HE called, and then justified, and then glorified. Those are the one's who will believe.

Kidron · Aug 14, 2021

brightfame52 said:

Did God come down here as Christ on the Cross to offer salvation to some, but not all ?

John 3:16 says that God : """so loved the WORLD.......that He GAVE.........>His only Begotten SON.........that WHOSOEVER........will believe""".

Jesus said....>"if i be lifted up (the Cross), i will Draw ALL men to me'.....

JerryInBoston · Aug 14, 2021

Kidron said:

"All" are the foreknown predestined called - the elect. That "All."

fredoheaven · Aug 14, 2021

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned... The ALL are all people, not all elect sinners, Just plain ALL sinners.

brightfame52 · Aug 15, 2021

It accomplished Propitiation, but for who ?

1 Jn 2:2

2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The word propitiation here means:100

an appeasing, propitiating

The word appeasing means:

to bring to a state of peace, quiet, ease, calm, or contentment; pacify; soothe: to appease an angry king.

Christ by His Blood alone has secured and made peace for all those He died for or is a propitiation for ! Col 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

So this peace or propitiation is not contingent upon one's Faith or one's repentance, but solely upon The Blood of His Cross. The enjoyment of it comes through God given Faith however. But the actual peace itself is an established fact with God while we are in unbelief. Our being in unbelief cannot annul with God the Peace we have with Him by the Blood of Christ, if indeed Christ died for one ! To say that peace with God[ legally] depends upon something the sinner Christ died for must do or perform, discards makes of none effect what Christ's Blood alone established as Fact !

Now Just who was this propitiation meant for ? Was it all people without exception ? No, by no means, but for the People ! Heb 2:17

17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

It was made for His Brethren, The People ! The word reconciliation here means :

to render one's self, to appease, conciliate to one's self

a) to become propitious, be placated or appeased

b) to be propitious, be gracious, be merciful

2) to expiate, make propitiation for

For the sins of the People !

In the greek the People reads tou laou;

A specific people, namely in vs 16, the Seed of Abraham, the brethren He was made like unto !

However this Seed of Abraham, had a worldwide scope, in the Many Nations Gen 17:5

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham;[B] for a father of many nations have I made thee.[/B]

You see God had made Abraham a Father [Spiritually] of many Nations, meaning the whole World, so the reason for John saying what He said in 1 Jn 2:2

He knew Christ had propitiated God on behalf of all Abraham's Seed of Every Nation ! So the Propitiation is still particular for a specific People, but world wide in the scope of that People !

brightfame52 · Aug 15, 2021

Kidron said:

Did God come down here as Christ on the Cross to offer salvation to some, but not all ?

John 3:16 says that God : """so loved the WORLD.......that He GAVE.........>His only Begotten SON.........that WHOSOEVER........will believe""".

Jesus said....>"if i be lifted up (the Cross), i will Draw ALL men to me'.....

I see you evaded !

brightfame52 · Aug 15, 2021

fredoheaven said:

I dont believe that is correct !

Kidron · Aug 15, 2021

brightfame52 said:

God, as Christ on the Cross died for the "world".

That mean everyone., as "the world" does not exclude anyone.......This is John 3:16

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