Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

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Nehemiah6

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We GO by scripture, that's what we do. We do not go by human emotions or philosophies.
Exactly. The title of the thread should really be "Why did God create Hell for the devil and his angels?" God does not desire that any should "perish" (suffer the torments of Hell) but that all should come to repentance.
 

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The wicked are raised to receive their punishment and to die an eternal death (Rev. 20:9; 21:8)
I think it would be unloving of God to raise someone from the dead just to wipe them out by burning.

I read somewhere that fire is used for purification. I wonder if that is where our Catholic friends get purgatory.
 

TheLearner

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First of all it's figurative language. Second, the verse only says the devil will be there forever and ever. It does not say the beast and FP will be there forever and ever nor does it mention any other human being. People are quoting it and saying all people who are cast into that lake will be there alive forever and ever but the verse doesn't say that.
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The devil and the unbelievers will have the same fate in the lake of fire because they are all spirits. Unbelievers will have their part in the lake of fire. Spirits cannot die. Angels and humans are spirits that cannot die so they will be tormented forever day and night with no rest. Body and soul can die but the spirit is like fire itself so how can it die in fire?
Humans have spirits too?

If angels are spirits and fire only, how did they mate with women?

"According to rabbinical Judaism, the angels have no bodies, but are eternally living creatures created out of fire and occasionally appear in Midrashim as competition with humans. Heavenly beings, strictly following the laws of God, become jealous of God's affection for man. "

"They are immortal beings. As the Bible attests, they appear to humans as apparitions with a human form. Since the 4th century, nine choirs or types of angels ... " https://catholicstraightanswers.com/what-are-angels/
 

TheLearner

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Does the Bible say God is powerful enough to destroy body and spirit? Is he not powerful enough to destroy an immortal spirit?
 

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1 Timothy 6:16

Easy-to-Read Version



16 God is the only one who never dies. He lives in light so bright that people cannot go near it. No one has ever seen him; no one is able to see him. All honor and power belong to him forever. Amen.



1 Timothy 6:16

King James Version



16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Someone in this thread said that only God is immortal.

Therefore Angels are not immortal.
 

TheLearner

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Exactly. The title of the thread should really be "Why did God create Hell for the devil and his angels?" God does not desire that any should "perish" (suffer the torments of Hell) but that all should come to repentance.
Why would one ask, Why did God create Hell for the devil and his angels? and not allow us to simply answer their question?
Looks like a set up to me to act like non-christians by them.
 

Tinkerbell725

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Humans have spirits too?

If angels are spirits and fire only, how did they mate with women?

"According to rabbinical Judaism, the angels have no bodies, but are eternally living creatures created out of fire and occasionally appear in Midrashim as competition with humans. Heavenly beings, strictly following the laws of God, become jealous of God's affection for man. "

"They are immortal beings. As the Bible attests, they appear to humans as apparitions with a human form. Since the 4th century, nine choirs or types of angels ... " https://catholicstraightanswers.com/what-are-angels/


Angels left their original habitation and manifested themselves physically maybe in form of demons, monsters or whatever and committed fornication with strange human flesh unlike their own. Jude 1:6-7
 

Tinkerbell725

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Does the Bible say God is powerful enough to destroy body and spirit? Is he not powerful enough to destroy an immortal spirit?


God is a consuming fire. Angels are made out of fire. The human spirit is a breath from God. It is not that God is not powerful enough that he cannot speak an immortal spirit out of existence. He created those beings that way which is a part of him who is indestructible. So He will cut them off from Himself forever through the lake of fire.
 

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The Bible does not say how the fallen angels transformed.

The bible never speaks of any transformation because it doesn't happen. Angels were created with bodies that look human but are of a different type of flesh.
 

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I think it would be unloving of God to raise someone from the dead just to wipe them out by burning.

I read somewhere that fire is used for purification. I wonder if that is where our Catholic friends get purgatory.
It’s not for us to decide.
 

Tinkerbell725

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Of course. Every time an angel is seen in the bible, they have bodies. Never is an angel seen without a body, nor is described as being bodiless.
Wrong.

Jesus said spirits have no flesh and bones. The angels can appear in human or animal form. Search about cherubim, seraphim and archangels. Your annihilation doctrine is now debunked. Satan cannot cease to exist because he is a spirit with no body to become ashes.



But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:37‭-‬39 KJV