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I want to point out something to you. You've noted that Paul baptized the 12 disciples in Acts 19 in Ephesus. Here's a fact that you need to explain. in v.5 is the water baptism. But, in v.6 Paul lays hands on them and THEN they receive the Holy Spirit.
Also, Acts 20:20,21
20 You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house.
21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
From Paul. There is NO mention of baptism at all. This aligns exactly with 1 Cor 1:17 - For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Also, Acts 20:20,21
20 You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house.
21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
From Paul. There is NO mention of baptism at all. This aligns exactly with 1 Cor 1:17 - For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Interesting that you mention that verse. This is what Paul wrote in v.17 - For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
iow, Paul wasn't interested in water baptism, but rather preaching the gospel.
btw, this is what Paul said about the gospel:
Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here?
iow, Paul wasn't interested in water baptism, but rather preaching the gospel.
btw, this is what Paul said about the gospel:
Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here?
Paul did water baptize people. The following is a list of those I am familiar with as recorded in the word.
Paul performed water baptisms, in the name of the Lord Jesus, of the 12 Ephesus disciples and afterward laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:1-6)
He baptized the jailer and his family. (Acts 16:28-33)
One can conclude from the record in Acts 16:14-15 that it was Paul who baptized Lydia and her family in response to Paul's message.
Paul told the Corinthians that he was glad he only administered the water baptisms of Crispus and Gaius. (1 Cor. 1:14) Considering he had water baptized others it is apparent he didn't mean they were the only water baptisms he had ever administered. They were just the only people he baptized of the Corinthian church. Notice the biblical record of the baptizing of Crispus clarifies some additional points. The record indicates that Paul baptized Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, while someone other than he baptized members of Crispus’ household and other Corinthian believers. (Acts 18:8) This makes it clear that water baptism was not Paul's main ministry. His primary objective was to preach the message. And while at times he did baptize, the responsibility of administering the water baptisms of those wishing to be obedient to the message was done by others.
Paul performed water baptisms, in the name of the Lord Jesus, of the 12 Ephesus disciples and afterward laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:1-6)
He baptized the jailer and his family. (Acts 16:28-33)
One can conclude from the record in Acts 16:14-15 that it was Paul who baptized Lydia and her family in response to Paul's message.
Paul told the Corinthians that he was glad he only administered the water baptisms of Crispus and Gaius. (1 Cor. 1:14) Considering he had water baptized others it is apparent he didn't mean they were the only water baptisms he had ever administered. They were just the only people he baptized of the Corinthian church. Notice the biblical record of the baptizing of Crispus clarifies some additional points. The record indicates that Paul baptized Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, while someone other than he baptized members of Crispus’ household and other Corinthian believers. (Acts 18:8) This makes it clear that water baptism was not Paul's main ministry. His primary objective was to preach the message. And while at times he did baptize, the responsibility of administering the water baptisms of those wishing to be obedient to the message was done by others.
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there are always exceptions....like your inability to actually understand the gospel and preaching Oneness and water regeneration
this also is Paul:
I am thankful that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, I Cor. 1:14
and again a few verses down in the same chapter
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
now change that somehow.
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I find the importance of listening is most relevant to what God has to say. And it is he, through the apostles, that speaks to the truth of the need for everyone to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And why? Because Jesus is the one who was crucified for all.
Partial obedience is not obedience. Obedience is only found in one's willingness to comply with God's instructions. As stated in another post the apostles obeyed Jesus command to baptize people in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They did that as seen from the detailed records of individual water baptisms in the NAME of the Lord Jesus.
Partial obedience is not obedience. Obedience is only found in one's willingness to comply with God's instructions. As stated in another post the apostles obeyed Jesus command to baptize people in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They did that as seen from the detailed records of individual water baptisms in the NAME of the Lord Jesus.
I didn't ignore the passage, I pointed out exactly what it says. The apostles were instructed to use a singular name. And it is clear from the records detailing water baptisms that the required name is the Lord Jesus Christ. It is he who was crucified for all. See Paul's comment in 1 Cor. 1:13.
Unknown by many is that the usage of the phrase Jesus made in Matt. 28:19 is a man made tradition begun in approx. 325 A.D. by the forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church.
Unknown by many is that the usage of the phrase Jesus made in Matt. 28:19 is a man made tradition begun in approx. 325 A.D. by the forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church.
The biblical record makes it clear what Jesus meant. If in fact the correct way to water baptize was by using the phrase why is there not one reference made of the apostles administering it that way?
Remember, we know from the words of the bible itself that truths will always be confirmed by at least 2-3 witnesses. And we see in all detailed records that the name of the Lord Jesus was used.
Remember, we know from the words of the bible itself that truths will always be confirmed by at least 2-3 witnesses. And we see in all detailed records that the name of the Lord Jesus was used.
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yabba dabba do
we know what you find.
we find, you do not recognize the actual gospel, but have added works to the gospel when Jesus said 'IT IS FINISHED'
partial gospel is no gospel at all and adding to it is worse because you nullify Christ's perfect work on the cross and wrongly believe that you have be 'obedient' when the gospel makes it very plain that we cannot do ANYTHING to perfect ourselves or add to what God has given us in His Son
you cheapen God's grace. you actually think you can do something of equal value to Christ and by soaking yourself in water
you have done nothing for me or anyone else.
and now you come with your Oneness divinity on top of that
really, you have a whole other Jesus you want us to believ in, who is not Jesus at all but something cooked up by deceiving teaching spirits of which Christ warned believers in Him many times
again, His words are proven true and your words are proven deceptive and not true
we know what you find.
we find, you do not recognize the actual gospel, but have added works to the gospel when Jesus said 'IT IS FINISHED'
partial gospel is no gospel at all and adding to it is worse because you nullify Christ's perfect work on the cross and wrongly believe that you have be 'obedient' when the gospel makes it very plain that we cannot do ANYTHING to perfect ourselves or add to what God has given us in His Son
you cheapen God's grace. you actually think you can do something of equal value to Christ and by soaking yourself in water
you have done nothing for me or anyone else.
and now you come with your Oneness divinity on top of that
really, you have a whole other Jesus you want us to believ in, who is not Jesus at all but something cooked up by deceiving teaching spirits of which Christ warned believers in Him many times
again, His words are proven true and your words are proven deceptive and not true
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