L.A. school officials order sweeping student vaccine mandate, a first by a major district

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Dude653

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:LOL::ROFL::LOL:Yes, this is true, rigorous testing has been done and the conclusion was the same, that it wasn't safe for humans. And yes, this research was published. Thank you for that laugh, some of the stuff you write is hysterical.

Perhaps they should clarify that a vaccine meant for humans using this technology is experimental.
I'm going to need to see a citation from a peer-reviewed source that says the vaccine isn't safe for humans.
And not some bad poop crazy conspiracy site like the my pillow guy
 

Genipher

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i suppose the devil had to pay rent in heaven.When he lost his job they kick him out.
yea right!..like i could....none of us puny gentile can really mock god.Only Ourself's. Stop thinking god is weak ..and no i'm not mocking u either...4 to mock the created is 2 mock the creator.
Wasn't Satan created by Yahweh? 🤔
I get he's evil and deserving of our scorn but according to your comment, we shouldn't be mocking him, either, right?
 

ZNP

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Excellent discussion by established doctors closely connected to the established authorities on the authorization for the widespread use of the Experimental "vaccine".

They make an excellent point about 37 minutes in that I had not heard prior to this and was not aware of.

When you give an EUA (Emergency Use authorization) before rigorous clinical trials had been done it is done with a rigorous collection of data so that you can collect the data you would have collected during a rigorous clinical trial. For some reason the FDA waived this requirement to collect data on the possible effects of the vaccine. This is an anomaly, why would they do this? Informed consent means you need complete transparency so you can do a careful analysis of the risk and the reward. By waiving this no one is able to do that.

There is a second anomaly which is that while collecting data you would begin with the assumption that an adverse effect was a result of the vaccine as that is the most conservative approach and then you would work to determine whether or not that could be verified or disproved. However, with this vaccine the assumption is that "it is safe" and so doctors are discouraged from linking adverse effects to the vaccine. That is a second anomaly and needs to be explained as why that is.

A third anomaly is a very simple graph they keep which posts deaths that take place shortly after being vaccinated. For decades this was a flat line but with these Covid vaccines this number spiked way up. Again, there is no suggestion from this particular database that there is a link between the death and the vaccine. Rather, it is a huge anomaly that requires an investigation and explanation and so far there has not been any explanation and those who try to investigate are vilified.

https://rumble.com/vijpp5-how-to-sa...ps...covid-19-perspectives-from-an-exper.html

Something else I learned is that they skipped animal trials on these vaccines. If anyone tells you they have been rigorously tested in animal trials -- ask for the studies because it was never done. (That said they do say that since that time Pfizer has done tests with mice which have yet to be released to the public -- generally mice are the least relevant, chimpanzees are much better, and of course human trials are the best).

The impact of all these anomalies is to greatly increase the risk from being part of this experimental vaccine. In this case you would never give such a risky vaccine to people who get no benefit: children and those who have natural immunity after recovering from Covid
 

Dude653

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If my kid can't bring peanut butter to school because someone might have a peanut allergy then your kid shouldn't be able to bring the preventable disease to school
Vaccinate your kids or homeschool them
 

ZNP

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Several dozen cases. Again the plural of anecdote is not data
That is correct. However, when you have a new vaccine that has not gone through animal trials or human trials but instead was given EAU, in that case every anecdotal case is an observation that requires you to investigate.
 

ZNP

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Is this what God meant when He said they would be a blessing to the nations? They would be sacrificed instead of us?
 

Dude653

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Is this what God meant when He said they would be a blessing to the nations? They would be sacrificed instead of us?
Looked at several fact check sites and every one of them says this is propaganda
Does it make any sense to you that the vaccines work in every country except israel?
 

Gideon300

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Commufornia. Hopefully, parents will not stand for this.

All parents have to do is claim they're Christian Science, or JW. Lie to avoid the human population culling program? Hell yes! When it's an agenda of Hell there's nothing wrong with repealing the effort in a language the understand.
I don't agree with mandatory vaccinations but there is nothing to see here. In Australia, kids can't attend school without vaccination against measles, chicken pox and other childhood diseases. That's why you have home school.

I don't begin to understand the hysteria over COVID. If governments want to kill people, they start wars or don't provide vaccines. The death toll in unvaccinated countries is far higher than in the vaccinated. There are quite a few outspoken anti vaxxers who have changed their minds. For some, it is too late. Death has a way of shutting people up.
 

ZNP

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Looked at several fact check sites and every one of them says this is propaganda
Does it make any sense to you that the vaccines work in every country except israel?
Oh I get it. For two years nothing has made sense. Fauci never once mentioned to Trump that "oh, by the way I know a bunch of scientists at the Wuhan lab who have been experimenting with Coronavirus, maybe we should talk to them". Does it make sense he wouldn't mention that?

And it doesn't make sense that they would have such a violent reaction to HCQ a safe drug that has been used for many years and costs $0.10 per pill and is effective. Does it make sense they would make up a phony research on this that has since been proven to be a lie? But now you want us to ask if their actions make sense?

Does it make sense that they would have an Emergency Authorization Use for this vaccine which means the administration of this is the clinical trial and yet they waive all the stringent requirements for reporting on this that is the protocol for all clinical trials and is especially true for EAU? Yet now, I am supposed to discount Israel's studies because "it doesn't make sense"?

Does it make sense that they have mandated the vaccine approved by the FDA and yet are administering the vaccine that is EAU because they don't have enough and yet if you don't take the experimental one you lose your job? But now you want us to ask if their actions make sense?

C'mon man! That's like asking does it make sense that Biden says he is Satan incarnate and drinks the blood of infants.
 

ZNP

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Death has a way of shutting people up.
Ohhh, that explains why the protests against the vaccine are getting louder and louder, thanks.
 

Dude653

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Oh I get it. For two years nothing has made sense. Fauci never once mentioned to Trump that "oh, by the way I know a bunch of scientists at the Wuhan lab who have been experimenting with Coronavirus, maybe we should talk to them". Does it make sense he wouldn't mention that?

And it doesn't make sense that they would have such a violent reaction to HCQ a safe drug that has been used for many years and costs $0.10 per pill and is effective. Does it make sense they would make up a phony research on this that has since been proven to be a lie? But now you want us to ask if their actions make sense?

Does it make sense that they would have an Emergency Authorization Use for this vaccine which means the administration of this is the clinical trial and yet they waive all the stringent requirements for reporting on this that is the protocol for all clinical trials and is especially true for EAU? Yet now, I am supposed to discount Israel's studies because "it doesn't make sense"?

Does it make sense that they have mandated the vaccine approved by the FDA and yet are administering the vaccine that is EAU because they don't have enough and yet if you don't take the experimental one you lose your job? But now you want us to ask if their actions make sense?

C'mon man! That's like asking does it make sense that Biden says he is Satan incarnate and drinks the blood of infants.
Exaggerate much? I'm going to need to see some evidence that Biden is drinking the blood of infants.... But speaking of trump I did hear him admit walking in on 15-year-olds while they were changing
 

Gideon300

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Is this what God meant when He said they would be a blessing to the nations? They would be sacrificed instead of us?
God is the author of life, not destruction. He sacrificed His own Son so that the world could be saved. God's judgement is very simple. He leaves people to work it for themselves. Mankind is well able to destroy itself without God's help.

The human anatomy does vary a little from race to race, but the immune system is the same. Vaccines will work in Israel just the same as anywhere else. And yes, they work. I know that this greatly disappoints the conspiracy theorists. Better luck next pandemic. Maybe the death rate will be 100%, without any vaccine. Won't that be fun!
 

ZNP

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Exaggerate much? I'm going to need to see some evidence that Biden is drinking the blood of infants.... But speaking of trump I did hear him admit walking in on 15-year-olds while they were changing
 

Gideon300

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Ohhh, that explains why the protests against the vaccine are getting louder and louder, thanks.
My suggestion: go get the virus. It's easy enough, especially in countries like the US. The death toll is around 100 times Australia's. We have less than a tenth of the USA's population. Do the maths. You are most fortunate. You can catch it easily. You will have natural immunity. You can come back tell us how little it affected you. Unless you don't.

Australia should reach 80% of the population vaccinated before the end of this year. That's 80% of 26 million people who are not shouting louder. Many want the roll out to be faster.

Protests here are mostly against mandatory vaccination. I can understand that. I think it should be voluntary. That's not the same as saying vaccination is wrong.
 

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I don't agree with mandatory vaccinations but there is nothing to see here. In Australia, kids can't attend school without vaccination against measles, chicken pox and other childhood diseases. That's why you have home school.

I don't begin to understand the hysteria over COVID. If governments want to kill people, they start wars or don't provide vaccines. The death toll in unvaccinated countries is far higher than in the vaccinated. There are quite a few outspoken anti vaxxers who have changed their minds. For some, it is too late. Death has a way of shutting people up.
There's plenty to see here. And you're right, death has a way of shutting people up. What a tragedy if that be children given no choice but to be injected with something that took away their young hope and dreams because they had no choice if they wanted to go to school and learn something.
Sadly, they did.

There will always be those who conform.
And those who don't.
In this country when the unlawful occupier of our White House pushes the vaccine, and impart our free choice is to soon not be tolerated, while our Congress is exempt from the vaccine, the lies about security in everyone else mass compliance to injection becomes a threat, as an obvious lie.

But it's an old tactic. Divide and conquer.
 

Gideon300

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California has been a very restrictive state as far as vaccinations go.

When I was enrolled in grade school there in the EARLY 70's...they were militant vaccination Nazis then. (This is just before Kaiser was created)

But vaccinations were mandatory... even the new Chicken pox vaccine.

I even had to have small pox vaccine which was stopped two years later.
The reason that smallpox vaccine was no longer administered was because smallpox was eradicated. By vaccination.