Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.

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13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He [c]will take of Mine and declare it to you.
And this TRUTH delivers us from all man-made religions.
 

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And this TRUTH delivers us from all man-made religions.
I follow no dogma or doctrine. I only follow the word. It is hard to find a church in the state I'm in as they all fly BLM and rainbow flags. This state has the highest percentage of unbelievers in the nation. Sad but true. This is my fellowship.
 
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I follow no dogma or doctrine. I only follow the word. It is hard to find a church in the state I'm in as they all fly BLM and rainbow flags. This state has the highest percentage of unbelievers in the nation. Sad but true. This is my fellowship.
We are living in the "falling away" period of Scripture - most churches are not in a good place of mind/spirit right now.

It is very difficult to find Brethren who are Free to believe Scripture thru the Holy Spirit.
 

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I do think it is the mark of the beast as it will be in the hand or the forehead. Not everyone has two arms.
yes we are in the falling away period. And because inequity will abound, the love many will wax cold.
 

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That would be incorrect - we were created by the "Let Us make man in Our Image" - this is Who created us.

The Son was never created.

You answered the question perfectly the first time = Elohim.
Actually, as concerning His Deity He was never created.

As concerning His humanity, He was "made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).

Jehovah has a Maker (Isaiah 45:11).
 
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Actually, as concerning His Deity He was never created.

As concerning His humanity, He was "made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).

Jehovah has a Maker (Isaiah 45:11).
Love you my Brother - excellent but you made one very important mistake - Jehovah does NOT have a Maker - Israel and the Nations do.

Isaiah 45:11 is not speaking of JESUS
 

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He is the incarnation of the one true God.
And the Father is in fact the one true God.

It was not 1/3 of God; and neither was it a 2nd God; who descended into time in order to take on an added nature of human flesh.
 

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Love you my Brother - excellent but you made one very important mistake - Jehovah does NOT have a Maker - Israel and the Nations do.

Isaiah 45:11 is not speaking of JESUS
It is speaking of the LORD, the holy one of Israel. That is the subject of the sentence.

Isa 45:11, Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

as evidenced by this,

Rom 1:3, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
 

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It is speaking of the LORD, the holy one of Israel. That is the subject of the sentence.

Isa 45:11, Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

as evidenced by this,

Rom 1:3, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
He is not referencing what you are claiming. He is talking about verse 9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker 10 "Woe unto him that saith unto his father, what begettest thou? or to a woman, What have thou brought forth."11 Thus says the LORD, (now He tells you who He is) the HOLY ONE of Israel, and his Maker(talking about Maker of Man). You forget that Jesus was before the world was created. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the was with God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.
 
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It is speaking of the LORD, the holy one of Israel. That is the subject of the sentence.

Isa 45:11, Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

as evidenced by this,

Rom 1:3, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
JESUS is "His Maker" in Isaiah
 

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He is not referencing what you are claiming. He is talking about verse 9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker 10 "Woe unto him that saith unto his father, what begettest thou? or to a woman, What have thou brought forth."11 Thus says the LORD, (now He tells you who He is) the HOLY ONE of Israel, and his Maker(talking about Maker of Man). You forget that Jesus was before the world was created. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the was with God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.
Jesus was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.
 

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Quick question to see if there is somebody home - what came first, the chicken or the egg?
In the context of God, He is the " First cause uncaused". To ask who came first God the Father of the Son, is answered by Jesus when He said

1. you see me you have seen the Father
2. Before Abraham was "I AM"

The Spirit of Christ is Eternal as the Spirit of God is and the Father who is the Creator.

The issue I think is, the created cannot nor has the right to question the Creator especially when The Creator said You can't fully understand.
 

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Jesus was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.
Yes but as it said, "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us." Meaning He already existed. Remember Mary was a virgin. He the Word placed Himself in the womb so He could fulfill prophecy and fix the wrong from the foundation of the world.
 
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In the context of God, He is the " First cause uncaused". To ask who came first God the Father of the Son, is answered by Jesus when He said

1. you see me you have seen the Father
2. Before Abraham was "I AM"

The Spirit of Christ is Eternal as the Spirit of God is and the Father who is the Creator.

The issue I think is, the created cannot nor has the right to question the Creator especially when The Creator said You can't fully understand.
Dear Brother CS1 - Good Morning

I did not ask who came first but what came first.
The 'what' is the prophesy of Scripture = Isaiah 9:6

We, who know Him, know that He is unknowable by any man.

We have been Blessed by the Lord Jesus Christ to know Him because He First Loved us.
He is Before All Things and ALL things were maded by Him and through Him, without Him nothing was made that has been made.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One and Eternal God.