What does, “But the one who endures to the end will be saved” mean?

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justbyfaith

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The pre-tribulation rapture was a mystery that was revealed to the apostle Paul.

Jesus said that the GT will be a time of God's wrath on a Christ-rejecting world (Luke 21:23). This is also evident in the OT (Zephaniah 1:14-15).

That we are not appointed to wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9) is in the direct context of the verses on the rapture of the church; in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
 
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The pre-tribulation rapture was a mystery that was revealed to the apostle Paul.

Jesus said that the GT will be a time of God's wrath on a Christ-rejecting world (Luke 21:23). This is also evident in the OT (Zephaniah 1:14-15).

That we are not appointed to wrath is in the direct context of the verses on the rapture of the church.
Praise God - His Elect are not appointed to wrath - AMEN 1 Thessalonians 5: 9-11

Now, instead of believing and promoting a lie - bring forth the scripture where our LORD or the Apostles say:
"You will not go through the Great Tribulation." OR "Jesus will pre-trib rapture you before the Resurrection."

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables
 

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Praise God - His Elect are not appointed to wrath - AMEN 1 Thessalonians 5: 9-11

Now, instead of believing and promoting a lie - bring forth the scripture where our LORD or the Apostles say:
"You will not go through the Great Tribulation." OR "Jesus will pre-trib rapture you before the Resurrection."
You agree that the elect are not appointed to wrath.

All that is left for you to see is what is written in Zephaniah 1:14-15 and Luke 21:23.

I suggest that you read those verses.
 

justbyfaith

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Praise God - His Elect are not appointed to wrath - AMEN 1 Thessalonians 5: 9-11

Now, instead of believing and promoting a lie - bring forth the scripture where our LORD or the Apostles say:
"You will not go through the Great Tribulation." OR "Jesus will pre-trib rapture you before the Resurrection."
I think that it can be found in a combination of Luke 21:36 and Mark 11:24.
 
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I think if you took the time to read the OP article you would gain understanding.
I think you need to read God's Word "and not add to it and take away from it."

This Scripture rebukes pre-trib and supports what the LORD did say "He who endures to the end."

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables
2 Timothy 4: 1-5

But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
 
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You agree that the elect are not appointed to wrath.

All that is left for you to see is what is written in Zephaniah 1:14-15 and Luke 21:23.

I suggest that you read those verses.
I SEE and believe Zephaniah - why do you not believe the words of JESUS but seek to add to them?

Because you believe the lie of pre-trib you are unable to understand Zephaniah 1:14-15 and Luke 21:23

You also commit the error of prescribing the scripture you want for your idol to bless - repent from this.

God loves you and HE does not want you to be held accountable to adding and taking away from His words.
 

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Luk 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Mar 11:24, Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.


Because I am obedient to Luke 21:36, I believe that I have what I ask for in the prayer that I constantly make in obedience to it.

I don't think that Jesus would have me pray that every night only to deny me the thing that I am asking for.
 
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Posted with permission)
I think one of the major issues of contention, whether or not The Elect of God, Christians, will go through the Great Tribulation, is due to a major misunderstanding of the scripture in both Ephesians 2:8 and Matthew 24:13. It is my hope this article saved in my favorites file for years now will assist in clearing that up.


June 24, 2017
In Matt 24:13, Jesus says the famous words:
But the one who endures to the end will be saved. (ESV)​
Perhaps the most common understanding of this passage is that we must endure in good works to the end of our physical lives to be saved from hell. This understanding contradicts Paul’s words in Eph 2:8a:
For by grace you have been saved through faith. (ESV)​
Notice two differences between Eph 2:8a and Matt 24:13: First, the Matt 24:13 salvation is by enduring whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is by grace through faith. Second, the Matt 24:13 salvation is future (“will be saved,” from the Greek future tense, sothesetai) whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is past (“have been saved,” from the Greek perfect tense sesosmenoi). Salvation from hell was by grace through faith and has already happened to me, so what is the future salvation by endurance that Jesus is talking about in Matt 24:13? The answer is in the context.
Matthew 24:13 is part of an answer to the question that Jesus’ disciples asked earlier in the chapter:
As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (Matt 24:3 ESV)​
It makes sense that the salvation in vs 13 should be in the future tense; after all, the disciples are asking about the future. Specifically, they were asking about the 7-year tribulation period. One reason we know that the Tribulation is in view is because Jesus says that the abomination of desolation (which Daniel talks about in Dan 9) will occur during this period. We also know that this is the tribulation because they asked immediately after Jesus said that not one stone of the temple would be left on another – surely a reference to the replacement of the 2nd temple with the temple that Ezekiel writes about in Ez 40-48.

Yep. There are still stones on top of each other.
(source)

We already know that the salvation in question is not salvation from hell, so what is it a salvation from? In verse 22, Jesus indicates that salvation from physical death is in mind:
And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. (ESV)​
When Jesus says, “He who endures to the end will be saved,” He does not mean that you must be good until you die to be saved from hell. He is talking about a specific group of people in the future who will need to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to be saved from physical death.
Understanding Matt 24:13 is good news for several reasons. It’s good news to know that we don’t need to endure to the end of the Tribulation because we aren’t in the Tribulation. It’s also good news to know that we won’t even be in the Tribulation, in fact, this is the doctrine that Paul points to for us to encourage each other with.1 Perhaps most of all, it’s a relief to know that we can take Jesus at His word to give eternal life to whomever believes in Him for it:
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. (John 5:24 ESV)​

  1. See this article by a popular theologian.
The reality is that everyone endures to the end of everything regardless of what their preference is. Whether life is difficult or easy, we face every challenge until the end of life.

Of course, the only way to not endure to the end is through suicide or an act of God. Could Matthew 24:13 be a warning against suicide or is it a hint that God is going to act and remove people from the trials and tribulations of life?

While this is not directly stated, as I just demonstrated through simple logic, it stands to reason that the only way to opt out of enduring until the end is either through suicide or through an act of God.
 

John146

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#29
Posted with permission)
I think one of the major issues of contention, whether or not The Elect of God, Christians, will go through the Great Tribulation, is due to a major misunderstanding of the scripture in both Ephesians 2:8 and Matthew 24:13. It is my hope this article saved in my favorites file for years now will assist in clearing that up.


June 24, 2017
In Matt 24:13, Jesus says the famous words:
But the one who endures to the end will be saved. (ESV)​
Perhaps the most common understanding of this passage is that we must endure in good works to the end of our physical lives to be saved from hell. This understanding contradicts Paul’s words in Eph 2:8a:
For by grace you have been saved through faith. (ESV)​
Notice two differences between Eph 2:8a and Matt 24:13: First, the Matt 24:13 salvation is by enduring whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is by grace through faith. Second, the Matt 24:13 salvation is future (“will be saved,” from the Greek future tense, sothesetai) whereas the Eph 2:8a salvation is past (“have been saved,” from the Greek perfect tense sesosmenoi). Salvation from hell was by grace through faith and has already happened to me, so what is the future salvation by endurance that Jesus is talking about in Matt 24:13? The answer is in the context.
Matthew 24:13 is part of an answer to the question that Jesus’ disciples asked earlier in the chapter:
As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (Matt 24:3 ESV)​
It makes sense that the salvation in vs 13 should be in the future tense; after all, the disciples are asking about the future. Specifically, they were asking about the 7-year tribulation period. One reason we know that the Tribulation is in view is because Jesus says that the abomination of desolation (which Daniel talks about in Dan 9) will occur during this period. We also know that this is the tribulation because they asked immediately after Jesus said that not one stone of the temple would be left on another – surely a reference to the replacement of the 2nd temple with the temple that Ezekiel writes about in Ez 40-48.

Yep. There are still stones on top of each other.
(source)

We already know that the salvation in question is not salvation from hell, so what is it a salvation from? In verse 22, Jesus indicates that salvation from physical death is in mind:
And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. (ESV)​
When Jesus says, “He who endures to the end will be saved,” He does not mean that you must be good until you die to be saved from hell. He is talking about a specific group of people in the future who will need to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to be saved from physical death.
Understanding Matt 24:13 is good news for several reasons. It’s good news to know that we don’t need to endure to the end of the Tribulation because we aren’t in the Tribulation. It’s also good news to know that we won’t even be in the Tribulation, in fact, this is the doctrine that Paul points to for us to encourage each other with.1 Perhaps most of all, it’s a relief to know that we can take Jesus at His word to give eternal life to whomever believes in Him for it:
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. (John 5:24 ESV)​

  1. See this article by a popular theologian.
To the Jew during the tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble, one will have to endure to the end to be physically saved...no flesh will be saved except those days be shortened.
 
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Luk 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Mar 11:24, Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Because I am obedient to Luke 21:36, I believe that I have what I ask for in the prayer that I constantly make in obedience to it.

I don't think that Jesus would have me pray that every night only to deny me the thing that I am asking for.
Prescribing scripture to believe a lie is not trusting in Jesus but in your own desire.

Definitely believe and pray Luke 21:36 - it will NOT change what Jesus said in Matthew 24 and Revelation.

Continue to pray that you may be worthy - If our Lord decides you are, then He will KEEP you from the Hour of Temptation that is coming upon the earth.

Continue to read, study and pray - but if you add or take away from the words of God, you will find yourself in error and confusion as all those who promote the lie of pre-trib are now in.
 

justbyfaith

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Prescribing scripture to believe a lie is not trusting in Jesus but in your own desire.

Definitely believe and pray Luke 21:36 - it will NOT change what Jesus said in Matthew 24 and Revelation.

Continue to pray that you may be worthy - If our Lord decides you are, then He will KEEP you from the Hour of Temptation that is coming upon the earth.

Continue to read, study and pray - but if you add or take away from the words of God, you will find yourself in error and confusion as all those who promote the lie of pre-trib are now in.
How is He going to keep me from the hour of temptation...by allowing me to have my head chopped off because I refuse the mark?
 
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How is He going to keep me from the hour of temptation...by allowing me to have my head chopped off because I refuse the mark?
i love you Brother and we both pray the same Prayer Luke 21 and we both believe the same Lord Jesus Christ.

i have to go now - do a word study on kept/keep/keeping

Peace and Blessing to you
 

John146

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#33
Prescribing scripture to believe a lie is not trusting in Jesus but in your own desire.

Definitely believe and pray Luke 21:36 - it will NOT change what Jesus said in Matthew 24 and Revelation.

Continue to pray that you may be worthy - If our Lord decides you are, then He will KEEP you from the Hour of Temptation that is coming upon the earth.

Continue to read, study and pray - but if you add or take away from the words of God, you will find yourself in error and confusion as all those who promote the lie of pre-trib are now in.
He will keep from the hour of temptation by catching me up to be with Him.😉
 
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How is He going to keep me from the hour of temptation...by allowing me to have my head chopped off because I refuse the mark?
I think as Christians we vastly overestimate the value of our life. I think God sees it differently. It isn't a problem for God to let people die, but it concerns us.

The quality of our life is more important than the quantity of our years. What really matters is being saved through faith in Christ, whether we die from martyrdom or old age.
 
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#35
The pre-tribulation rapture was a mystery that was revealed to the apostle Paul.

Jesus said that the GT will be a time of God's wrath on a Christ-rejecting world (Luke 21:23). This is also evident in the OT (Zephaniah 1:14-15).

That we are not appointed to wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9) is in the direct context of the verses on the rapture of the church; in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
The pre-tribulation rapture is not hinted at or directly stated anywhere in the scriptures.

I challenge you to provide one verse that speaks of God rapturing the church away before the great tribulation. Please don't add any of your personal interpretation or commentary. Just show me a verse or two.
 

justbyfaith

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#36
The pre-tribulation rapture is not hinted at or directly stated anywhere in the scriptures.

I challenge you to provide one verse that speaks of God rapturing the church away before the great tribulation. Please don't add any of your personal interpretation or commentary. Just show me a verse or two.
I think that the key verses are 1 Thessalonians 5:9 w/ Luke 21:23 and Zephaniah 1:14-15;

Also Luke 21:36 w/ Mark 11:24.
 

justbyfaith

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I think as Christians we vastly overestimate the value of our life. I think God sees it differently. It isn't a problem for God to let people die, but it concerns us.

The quality of our life is more important than the quantity of our years. What really matters is being saved through faith in Christ, whether we die from martyrdom or old age.
And of course that is not even the point.

The point is that Jesus commanded us to always pray that we might delivered from those things that are going to come upon the earth and that we might be able to stand before Him...and that He said elsewhere that if we believe that we receive what we pray for, we shall have the thing that we have asked for.

So, if I am obedient to Luke 21:36 and pray for what He told me to pray for...is He then not going to give me what I ask for? It is obviously His will that I ask Him for it because He told me to ask Him for it.

Then, consider this passage.

1Jo 5:14, And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jo 5:15, And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.


What I am saying in favour of a pre-tribulation rapture for those who are obedient to Luke 21:36 is pretty air-tight impaho.
 

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How is He going to keep me from the hour of temptation...by allowing me to have my head chopped off because I refuse the mark?
Rev. 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
 

justbyfaith

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Rev. 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
I would merely refer you to post #57.