Daniel 9:26-27, 70 Weeks

[GaryA]

He was, in effect, saying:

"When you see [what happened at the event spoken of by Daniel the prophet] about to happen again, RUN!"

GaryA one would think so,,but i say check on your neighbor first.In past times god always sent angles to guide them out.Now i understand the faith thing,,and maybe that's why he sends us to the mountains by ourself's?I mean without the angles escort.

You do understand that the "see and flee" thing happened in circa 70 A.D. - right?

(Which is the direct fulfillment of it in the Olivet Discourse.)

Also - ask yourself how effective "running to the mountains" would be today - against the 'authorities' - who have many means to find you - with military, technology, etc.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I think the bramble is symbolic of Satan.

It's so strange to be talking about people as trees. It reminds of the time JESUS and the blind man who first saw men walking like trees.

Mark 8:24
And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+31&version=KJV

Egypt is a tree in the Garden.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I did watch it - just not inclined to believe it.

So you don't want to face what being Grafted in means? You become Reborn into the Twelve Tribes ...you might want to start caring about it.

 

[GaryA]

So you don't want to face what being Grafted in means? You become Reborn into the Twelve Tribes ...you might want to start caring about it.

I am already 'reborn'.
I am already 'grafted'.

I think the author of the video has been watching too many modern 'hero' movies...

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I am already 'reborn'.
I am already 'grafted'.

I think the author of the video has been watching too many modern 'hero' movies...

There is a much longer version of the video, but even in this one he included scripture.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I am already 'reborn'.
I am already 'grafted'.

I think the author of the video has been watching too many modern 'hero' movies...

Let's say you might be right about all this Preterism ...why don't you want to consider what is going to happen next? ..we might be at the end.

 

[rayzor]

You do understand that the "see and flee" thing happened in circa 70 A.D. - right?

(Which is the direct fulfillment of it in the Olivet Discourse.)

Also - ask yourself how effective "running to the mountains" would be today - against the 'authorities' - who have many means to find you - with military, technology, etc.

You know this military, technology, etc.Stands no chance against the right kind of faith.Beside the saints fear god.Not us! and rightfully so.Fear not what devils can do against you,fear god.

 

[GaryA]

Let's say you might be right about all this Preterism ...why don't you want to consider what is going to happen next? ..we might be at the end.

Of course, I am interested in "what happens next" (as you put it).

And, I have been studying it for years.

And, I know with absolute certainty that Daniel 9:24-27 is not talking about [anything in] our future.

There are things still left to happen - not all End Times prophecy has been fulfilled.

But, Daniel 9:24-27 has been 100% fulfilled.

And, it does not change anything concerning what the Bible says will happen.

But, there are some things imagined and believed by some folk that the Bible never said...

And, these things have taken a strong hold on those who are willing to be "carried about with every wind of doctrine" (Ephesians 4:14)...

And, Daniel 9:24-27 is [probably] the worst-of-the-worst when it comes to scripture being abused in this way.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Of course, I am interested in "what happens next" (as you put it).

And, I have been studying it for years.

And, I know with absolute certainty that Daniel 9:24-27 is not talking about [anything in] our future.

There are things still left to happen - not all End Times prophecy has been fulfilled.

But, Daniel 9:24-27 has been 100% fulfilled.

And, it does not change anything concerning what the Bible says will happen.

But, there are some things imagined and believed by some folk that the Bible never said...

And, these things have taken a strong hold on those who are willing to be "carried about with every wind of doctrine" (Ephesians 4:14)...

And, Daniel 9:24-27 is [probably] the worst-of-the-worst when it comes to scripture being abused in this way.

as i already said, i do think it is important for people to realize there might not be a physical temple ...and get caught off guard.

Is there a connection to Jonah telling the town they had forty days to repent? Could the days after JESUS’S death count as prophetic years? How about the 40 days after Resurrection?

Ezekiel 4:6
And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

 

[rayzor]

Of course, I am interested in "what happens next" (as you put it).

And, I have been studying it for years.

And, I know with absolute certainty that Daniel 9:24-27 is not talking about [anything in] our future.

There are things still left to happen - not all End Times prophecy has been fulfilled.

But, Daniel 9:24-27 has been 100% fulfilled.

And, it does not change anything concerning what the Bible says will happen.

But, there are some things imagined and believed by some folk that the Bible never said...

And, these things have taken a strong hold on those who are willing to be "carried about with every wind of doctrine" (Ephesians 4:14)...

And, Daniel 9:24-27 is [probably] the worst-of-the-worst when it comes to scripture being abused in this way.

Nope Nope GaryA Not the going forth of the great commandment!That's to love god with all your heart soul and might.Are u yet in love with god? cus that's what is going to take,,,4 the going forth of the great command!

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i think we should have a plan b in place incase what we think is going to happen ...doesn't.

if the u.n. or the pope doesn't end up being the antichrist ...it could just end up being current governments already active going after Witnesses. i think the two beasts might already be a thing. GOD isn't a fan of giving direct evidence to unbelievers unless something is done in His Name.

the world is already babylon ...the beast system. the mark would just be doing your works (right hand) and agreeing (forehead) of the plan of satan.

 

[Rondonmon]

Daniel 9:26-27 is bothering me, i see satan the prince destroying the rebuilt city and sanctuary after JESUS is cut off. ...but the next verse ...why are we assuming it is talking about satan? JESUS stopped the Covenant that included sacrifice and oblation because He fulfilled it in the midst of a week. Would it mean the guess of 7 years of tribulation is wrong?

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.​

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27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.​

Why are we so convinced we know what "A Time, Times, and Half a Time" means?

Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:14​

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel 7:25,Daniel 12:7,Revelation 12:14&version=KJV

It could be trial time, harder trial time, halved trial time by GOD'S Mercy.


there is a sea of lukewarm waiting for some dumb mark to be offered to them to convince them to get Right with GOD ...but the mark is probably already here.


Philippians 3:14
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

//missing the mark (sin) is missing the high calling of GOD'S Plan.

//so the mark of the beast is to follow satan's plan.

Firstly, your timing is off by 2000 years, the prince that shall come is not Satan, it is the End Time Anti-Christ. There were no Chapters and verses, so if the translators were confused, they thus left their readers with their confusion.

Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, AND threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times(49 Years AND............... 434 Years from the 62 weeks below = 483)

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

The BELOW doesn't actually go with verse 26, it goes with verse 27, the above actually goes with verse 25 !!

and the people(Romans/E.U.) of the prince(Anti-Christ, not capitalized) that shall come[in the end times] shall destroy the city and the sanctuary[in 70 AD]; and the end thereof shall be with a flood(Army), and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he(the prince to come/Anti-Christ from above) shall confirm the covenant(this word covenant simply means AGREEMENT in Hebrew) with many for one week(Israel and MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, SEE the European Neighborhood Policy on Wikipedia, the Framework is already there): and in the midst of the week (1260) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The AoD is not the Anti-ChrIst, that happens at the 1290, which is 30 days before the Anti-Chrost conquers Jerusalem at the 1260 event. Thus a Jewish High Priest, like un Jason under Antiochus Epiphanes, will try to do what Jason did, Hellenze (Worldynize) the Jews, and the Maccabeans revolted at that time, and Antiochus dIes via a disease (WITHOUT HANDS just like the coming Anti-Chrst will die at Jesus' command). The False Prophet, Jewish High Priest will FORBID Jesus Worship (take away THE SACRIFICE) and then he places the Image of the Beast in the Temple (the AoD). Jason, 2100 years ago welcomed Antiochus into the Temple to sacrifice a pig unto his god Zeus. Thus this end time Fase Prophet had a TYPE as did the end time Anti-Chrst in Antiochus, and they were alive at the SAME TIME.

 

[rayzor]

Firstly, your timing is off by 2000 years, the prince that shall come is not Satan, it is the End Time Anti-Christ. There were no Chapters and verses, so if the translators were confused, they thus left their readers with their confusion.

Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, AND threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times(49 Years AND............... 434 Years from the 62 weeks below = 483)

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

The BELOW doesn't actually go with verse 26, it goes with verse 27, the above actually goes with verse 25 !!

and the people(Romans/E.U.) of the prince(Anti-Christ, not capitalized) that shall come[in the end times] shall destroy the city and the sanctuary[in 70 AD]; and the end thereof shall be with a flood(Army), and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he(the prince to come/Anti-Christ from above) shall confirm the covenant(this word covenant simply means AGREEMENT in Hebrew) with many for one week(Israel and MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, SEE the European Neighborhood Policy on Wikipedia, the Framework is already there): and in the midst of the week (1260) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The AoD is not the Anti-ChrIst, that happens at the 1290, which is 30 days before the Anti-Chrost conquers Jerusalem at the 1260 event. Thus a Jewish High Priest, like un Jason under Antiochus Epiphanes, will try to do what Jason did, Hellenze (Worldynize) the Jews, and the Maccabeans revolted at that time, and Antiochus dIes via a disease (WITHOUT HANDS just like the coming Anti-Chrst will die at Jesus' command). The False Prophet, Jewish High Priest will FORBID Jesus Worship (take away THE SACRIFICE) and then he places the Image of the Beast in the Temple (the AoD). Jason, 2100 years ago welcomed Antiochus into the Temple to sacrifice a pig unto his god Zeus. Thus this end time Fase Prophet had a TYPE as did the end time Anti-Chrst in Antiochus, and they were alive at the SAME TIME.

we know this but if we makes dates & numbers of more importance then God then it's a form of idolatry, numerology.If you must know,,make sure your motive is right,,,ask be humble be patience,,However maybe we should ask for the greater things like that we be allowed to fall in love with god.I think most of us make the mistake of trying to understand these things on or own.

 

[Rondonmon]

we know this but if we makes dates & numbers of more importance then God then it's a form of idolatry, numerology.If you must know,,make sure your motive is right,,,ask be humble be patience,,However maybe we should ask for the greater things like that we be allowed to fall in love with god.I think most of us make the mistake of trying to understand these things on or own.

John was called tp a different thing than Peter or Paul. The Beloved was given the chore of the book of Revelation. It is not something we can't understand. But ot is something most people can not understand without God giving them the answers, or understanding another person is blessed with such understandings. In these end times, it is a MUST that we understand these things, else God wouldn't have given them unto us, and as He tells Daniel, in the end-times, these things will be revealed, when men go to and fro and knowledge is increased.

 

[rayzor]

John was called tp a different thing than Peter or Paul. The Beloved was given the chore of the book of Revelation. It is not something we can't understand. But ot is something most people can not understand without God giving them the answers, or understanding another person is blessed with such understandings. In these end times, it is a MUST that we understand these things, else God wouldn't have given them unto us, and as He tells Daniel, in the end-times, these things will be revealed, when men go to and fro and knowledge is increased.[/QUOTE knowledge increased. ok maybe?But how many people are smarter?And not many wise.Do we need to know? no.Would it be nice to know yes?

 

[BroTan]

The book of Daniel is a prophetic one. The prophecy is actually given for the end-time generation—not Daniel’s time. The things written revolve around the time of the 6th trump—the great tribulation and the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world.

Daniel 12:8-9

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”
9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

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That is true and I believe we are heading in that hour of temptation which is 3 1/2 yrs. Jesus says in Matthew 24:
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Let's go and fine that abomination of desolation in Daniel 7: 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. Let's skip down to the beast coming in hour time. 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

So that little horn Daniel spoken about will stand in the holy place, when the temple is build. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. (Rev 11: 1,2).

 

[SaltwaterGirl]

That is true and I believe we are heading in that hour of temptation which is 3 1/2 yrs. Jesus says in Matthew 24:
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Let's go and fine that abomination of desolation in Daniel 7: 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. Let's skip down to the beast coming in hour time. 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

So that little horn Daniel spoken about will stand in the holy place, when the temple is build. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. (Rev 11: 1,2).

Hi, Bro. Do you believe that the “little horn” is Satan?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

We are Reborn into the Twelve Tribes which makes us grafted into the Two Olive Trees. Jews are one of the Trees so Gentiles are grafted into Jews …that makes the Daniel (70 Weeks) prophecy include us.

The abomination of desolation might have already have happened in 167 BC with Antiochus (Epiphanies) ...that means there is 3.5 years left with no physical temple to warn us that it is the end.

i think the next thing we are going to see is Witnesses doing miracles in CHRIST'S Name.

i think The Two Witnesses (Two of the Seven Churches) are those in the end times that will receive a Crown for their works. People from the other Churches can make it into Heaven, but their works will not make it through the fire test to receive a Crown.

Cloud of Witnesses???

Hebrews 12:1​

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,​

things are pointing to the end of this place not being anything like we thought ...or satan is tricking us.

How the Millennium Reign forms is the hardest part. are there going to be people that still don't believe somehow? Why will we be priests unless there are people to preach to?

Revelation 20:6​

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

Is GOD'S Presence going to be in everyone's minds/hearts?

Revelation 1:7​

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.​

"every eye shall see him" ...the mind's eye?

Are we to be changed in a twinkling of an eye to a new reality with The Kingdom City set over New Jerusalem ...and we don't notice that things are different?

1 Corinthians 15:52​

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.​

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Someone please comment on post #98

 

[GaryA]

Someone please comment on post #98

We are Reborn into the Twelve Tribes which makes us grafted into the Two Olive Trees. Jews are one of the Trees so Gentiles are grafted into Jews …that makes the Daniel (70 Weeks) prophecy include us.

The abomination of desolation might have already have happened in 167 BC with Antiochus (Epiphanies) ...that means there is 3.5 years left with no physical temple to warn us that it is the end.

i think the next thing we are going to see is Witnesses doing miracles in CHRIST'S Name.

i think The Two Witnesses (Two of the Seven Churches) are those in the end times that will receive a Crown for their works. People from the other Churches can make it into Heaven, but their works will not make it through the fire test to receive a Crown.

Cloud of Witnesses???

Hebrews 12:1​

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,​

things are pointing to the end of this place not being anything like we thought ...or satan is tricking us.

How the Millennium Reign forms is the hardest part. are there going to be people that still don't believe somehow? Why will we be priests unless there are people to preach to?

Revelation 20:6​

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

Is GOD'S Presence going to be in everyone's minds/hearts?

Revelation 1:7​

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.​

"every eye shall see him" ...the mind's eye?

Are we to be changed in a twinkling of an eye to a new reality with The Kingdom City set over New Jerusalem ...and we don't notice that things are different?

1 Corinthians 15:52​

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.​

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