Is this saying there are two Millennium Reigns making the end of this reality soon?

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To say there is going to be a Millennium Reign after The Return of CHRIST is to say some people will have an unfair chance of being saved. GOD doesn't allow direct evidence because The Choice to Choose His Plan of LIFE has to be Free.
Yet people will still die having rejected Christ.

They rejected him the first time. Nothing gaurantees they will not do it the next time he is here
 
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Are Christians just as bad as Jews by expecting a physical (Millennium) Reign?
 

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Are Christians just as bad as Jews by expecting a physical (Millennium) Reign?

The reign is physical. That wasn't their error. They mistakenly thought the Messiah would rule the world as soon as he came in the first advent but that wasn't to happen until the second advent.
 
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Could the Millennium Reign start without The Return of Physical CHRIST? Could we hit Tribulation and then everyone remaining that is Saved moves to build the New Kingdom City? The remaining unbelievers would remain so because there still wouldn't be direct proof and every eye didn't see CHRIST yet.
 

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Could the Millennium Reign start without The Return of Physical CHRIST?
No. He has to return before the Reign over the nations begins:

Christ will exercise his Kingly authority on Earth when the 7th trump sounds:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The rod of iron reign only begins after Christ has come:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

The saints reign will be on the Earth not from heaven:

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the EARTH.

second coming:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

After the second coming:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.



All these prove a literal kingdom with Christ and his saints physically here on the Earth literally ruling over human beings of various nations.
 
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That doesn't say CHRIST will be Physical yet.

How are there gog and magog on a planet that has Physical CHRIST on it?

And if CHRIST is Spiritual at the time ...so can the dead Saints.
 

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That doesn't say CHRIST will be Physical yet.

How are there gog and magog on a planet that has Physical CHRIST on it?
Because they live there. Once thousand years ends, they will join satan and will be destroyed.
 
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Does everyone here want to pretend the Reborn are not connected to The Kingdom right now? Are you saying we don't have Everlasting Life like those in the Millennium Reign?
 

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How do gog and magog remain dumb to CHRIST if all eyes have seen Him?
They get deceived:

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

I hear satan is pretty good at that.
 
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They get deceived:

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

I hear satan is pretty good at that.
so they somehow make it through Tribulation, know there is a GOD ...and then don't immediately try and find out how to become Reborn?
 

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so they somehow make it through Tribulation, know there is a GOD ...and then don't immediately try and find out how to become Reborn?
It is believed by both Pre-mill and A-mill that in each doctrines respective "thousand years" people preach gospel and some of unsaved accept it and become saved but we also know not all will accept the gospel.

So when that period ends, satan goes out and deceives whom he can. It will be a very large number of people but it doesn't mean none were saved during the thousand years.
 
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It is believed by both Pre-mill and A-mill that in each doctrines respective "thousand years" people preach gospel and some of unsaved accept it and become saved but we also know not all will accept the gospel.

So when that period ends, satan goes out and deceives whom he can. It will be a very large number of people but it doesn't mean none were saved during the thousand years.
"nowhere else in Scripture is a thousand-year millennium clearly taught, and a new doctrine should not be founded on an intensely controversial text, especially from an apocalyptic book full of symbolism."

"Who Are the Unglorified People in the Millennium If Jesus Destroys All His Enemies at the End of Revelation 19?"

The NT clearly teaches Jesus’s return is the day of reward and judgment for all (Matt. 25:31–46).
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.+25:31–46&version=KJV
 

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"nowhere else in Scripture is a thousand-year millennium clearly taught

So, something God says isn't valid because it isn't found elsewhere? Is that sound exegesis? Ever heard of Christ standing on Mt of Olives and spilting it in half? Did you know that is only found in one place in the bible?? Should we doubt that event is going to happen?
 

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Could the martyrs Reign with CHRIST for a thousand years ...and then Reborn Priests Reign with CHRIST for the next thousand years? ...why does it bring up the thousand years twice? …it would mean the end is almost here.

The second death has no power over us because JESUS was Forsaken for us on The Cross. We are resurrected through CHRIST when we are Reborn?


Revelation 20:4-6​
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.​
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​
Hi pittsburghjoe,

God is fulfilling His purpose for Israel who will rule over the nations in the millennium with out Satan`s interference. Mankind will have the opportunity to come up to Jerusalem and learn the ways of God. (Micah 4: 1- 3) Finally the last generation will have to choose whom they will serve.

The Body of Christ has a heavenly purpose, while Israel & the nations have an earthly one.
 
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"We must remember that even in the Old Testament they were called a kingdom of priests yet only a small part played part in priestly (offering up animal sacrifices) duties the rest served god in other ways.

Paul teaches us that as priests we too offer up sacrifices every day. That is of ourselves. We offer up ourselves to God in daily service what ever that service may be. I believe we will all have responsibilities during the reign of Christ that we will all willingly take on. Even if it is teaching the young as they grow to adulthood. Serving your wife or your husband, your city or state. All are priestly duties if served as unto God."

Still sounds like the Millennium could be now.
 
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Hi pittsburghjoe,

God is fulfilling His purpose for Israel who will rule over the nations in the millennium with out Satan`s interference. Mankind will have the opportunity to come up to Jerusalem and learn the ways of God. (Micah 4: 1- 3) Finally the last generation will have to choose whom they will serve.

The Body of Christ has a heavenly purpose, while Israel & the nations have an earthly one.
Micah is OT and that chapter starts with "But in the last days it shall come to pass, " ...last days of the Jews ...so why isn't it talking about now?
 
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death dies at the second coming of CHRIST. ...the age of possible Salvation is over ...the 1000 years already happened.

1 Corinthians 15:24-27

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.