What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

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Gideon300

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I used to believe in eternal torment. As I have matured in Christ I am now certain annihilation is true. Part of my issue , when I was younger, was confirmation bias: I read into the scriptures what I thought should be true. As I’ve grown to know my Father it became clear that the doctrine of “eternal punishment“ was a scheme of the enemy inserted to serve the will of corrupt men.
Funny, it was the prospect of hell that got me saved. There was nothing corrupt about the man who led me to Christ. I'm also aware that not preaching hell is a sure way to avoid the problem of church growth. I heard a preacher say that he wanted to be positive so he quit preaching about hell. In four years, no one was saved through his ministry. He realised his error and preached once more on God's judgement. People began to respond to the gospel again.

There is a good deal of confusion around hell, the lake of fire and life after death. Is the Lake of fire physical? I don't know. Our God is a consuming fire. What does He consume? I believe it is the soul of man. However, the spirit of man lives on. Unbelievers will be separated from God for eternity. And by their choice. So no, I do not believe in annihilation.
 

Gideon300

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If you're interested in learning more we can discuss it.

I have found that most people I have talked to have made their mind up either way and aren't going to be convinced by Sola Scriptura on the topic of annihilationism. Thanks for at least being open to investigating annihilationism. I believe that's an honest step toward truth that few seem to venture toward concerning the topic of hell and the lake of fire.
It's not exactly new. I first came across the idea around 25 years ago. After much consideration, I rejected annihilation and also universalism. The Bible does not support these concepts.
 
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Jesus said there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when they are thrown into the darkness...
Seems to me those in the lake of fire will be very aware...
People in hell I believe will be gnashing their teeth in rage against God , they can never become holy nor sorrowful , they heart will grow more wicked , because there is no saving grace for them...
...xox...
Hi, Rosemary. . . After this earth age is done, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth as some people will realize they have been duped. The 7th trumpet has sounded, and some have chosen to worship Satan and his lies rather than God. Antichrist's tribulation is nothing but deception, and many people will be deceived. “There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
 
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It's not exactly new. I first came across the idea around 25 years ago. After much consideration, I rejected annihilation and also universalism. The Bible does not support these concepts.
Do you believe the bits about the "body and soul" being destroyed in hell, or those who do not believe in Jesus will perish, or the lake of fire being the second death as symbolic or metaphorical? If yes, then why.

I take verses like Matt 10:28, John 3:16, and Revelation 21:8 literally because I find that's more consistent.
 
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Hi, Rosemary. . . After this earth age is done, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth as some people will realize they have been duped. The 7th trumpet has sounded, and some have chosen to worship Satan and his lies rather than God. Antichrist's tribulation is nothing but deception, and many people will be deceived. “There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
I’d be weeping too if I knew I might be facing the “second death” (blotted out) and would miss out an eternity of living in the Kingdom of God.
 

Laura798

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You see no use in living by the principles Jesus taught that we are to embrace as a saved/born again person?
Hi...
Genuine question...
Are we not going to be given a new body in heaven , as our flesh and body are sinful and cannot enter heaven in our earthly body...
If so , will not those who go into the lake of fire be given also a new body ?
...xox...
Dear Rosemary,

I understand that not everyone on this site is familiar with scripture. Firstly, man is mortal and only believers receive the gift of eternal life. The bible says over and over and over again that the unbeliever is destroyed, they perish, they die. I'm not sure where you got the idea that an unbeliever would receive a new body--that is nowhere to be found in scripture.

Genesis 6:3 - So the LORD said, My Spirit won't remain with human beings forever, because they're truly mortal. Their lifespan will be 120 years. Verses on man's mortality: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Mortal

In Hebrews God Himself is called a "consuming fire", referring to his wrath--note that his fire is CONSUMING. The definition of
Consume: to do away with completely : DESTROY

Eternal Fire is figurative for complete destruction--it is not a literal fire. Recall the first lie told to Adam and Eve in the garden "You shall not surely die." You may want to look thru previous posts--many verses were quoted regarding the end of the wicked.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Read full chapter · Romans 6:23

"But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off."--Psalms 37:38

"Don’t be intimidated in any way by your enemies. This will be a sign to them that they are going to be destroyed, but that you are going to be saved, even by God himself."---Phillippians 1:28

"But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers, who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction."--2 Peter 2:1

We must test scripture against scripture; and not go by what we have been taught by men. Jesus spoke with figurative language and parables; eternal fire is literally destruction--note it is the fire that burns eternally NOT the object--we know it means destruction and death because it says so in so many other verses.
Hi...
Genuine question...
Are we not going to be given a new body in heaven , as our flesh and body are sinful and cannot enter heaven in our earthly body...
If so , will not those who go into the lake of fire be given also a new body ?
...xox...
 

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On the Mount of transfiguration , Moses and Elijah appeared in bodily form before the Resurrection and also when Jesus was talking about Lazarus in Abraham's bosom , He mentioned Lazarus finger , and the rich man with taste and smell...
Just a thought...
...xox...
Of course that is a parable, seeing as how they are somehow having communication between a great chasm; do you really think if you are in heaven you would actually be able to watch people being tortured for eternity? And do you think a person engulfed in flames could have a meaningful conversation? Really? It goes to show the ridiculousness of believing people are burning for all eternity--God would have to create noncombustible bodies--but that would mean that they no longer had human bodies. If people would stop and think they would see how preposterous this is--the fire again represents COMPLETE and TOTAL destruction. It is not a literal fire, evidenced by the preponderances of verses that say otherwise. Please do a study on the difference between literal and figurative language.

Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.--Matthew 13:34
 

Laura798

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Jesus said there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when they are thrown into the darkness...
Seems to me those in the lake of fire will be very aware...
People in hell I believe will be gnashing their teeth in rage against God , they can never become holy nor sorrowful , they heart will grow more wicked , because there is no saving grace for them...
...xox...
I've heard a number of arguments, none of which hold water on close examination. This subject has been gone over enough times surely. The prospect of hell is God's incentive plan for sinners. I'll leave it at that.[/QUOTE

Sadly, that is Satan's scheme, not God's. God's incentive is the gift of eternal life.
 

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Funny that…

I was speaking with an atheist (I don’t think a true atheist exists btw) about this very thing, Hell, heaven, eternal damnation, etc. He brought it up.
Any way, he made a snide comment to the effect of “Well, you won’t have to worry about me, I’ll be burning forever in Hell…”. Something like that. I said, “No you won’t“ and I explained the scriptures related to what will happen when a person, not in Christ, dies, including annihilation.
He was taken aback. He never heard that sound, Christians were always ready to condemn him to Hell before he got there.
He had more questions. We ended up talking for quite some time. He checks in from time to time. He likes to tell me what he’s been up to and how his family is fairing. He’ll often ask for my perspective about his issues. He knows where I come from and my belief but he never objects to the things I say to him. I consider him a friend.

He likes you because you've compromised. It's not difficult to do that if being liked is our goal.
Now he has been told that he can be saved or not. There is no lasting consequence for not being saved.
 

Laura798

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He likes you because you've compromised. It's not difficult to do that if being liked is our goal.
Now he has been told that he can be saved or not. There is no lasting consequence for not being saved.
Where has he compromised, Lucy? He explained the scriptures to his friend--which was all believers are called to do. There's no compromising in that. And you're very wrong. There is a very lasting consequence for not being saved. You are destroyed and you miss out on eternal life.
 

Magenta

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There is no lasting consequence for not being saved.
The second death is a lasting consequence. How odd: you do not accept death as punishment. God does! Meanwhile, man puts much energy into trying to preserve, prolong, and improve life because generally speaking, it is so highly valued, and death has been seen and used as one of the most extreme forms of punishments for millennia. Presenting this argument, that the unbeliever gets what he wants, is somewhat silly, really. Nobody in their right mind wants to die. Scripture affirms this.
 

Magenta

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“And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son Himself also be subject unto Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”

The eternal punishment people wish the verse above read “..that God may be all in all…except for the evil people and demons burning in the Lake of Fire, ‘cause, you know, God can’t be evil and stuff so it really doesn’t mean “all”. Schwew! That was close! P.S. Please disregard the verse about Hell being thrown into the Lake, too. We want that lake smokin’ hot forever so we can scare more liberals. Kthnx. Bye.”
Yes, and, He shall make all things new... *except for those poor souls in the torture chamber screaming for eternity :oops:

*not my belief.
 

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Hi...
Genuine question...
Are we not going to be given a new body in heaven , as our flesh and body are sinful and cannot enter heaven in our earthly body...
If so , will not those who go into the lake of fire be given also a new body ?
...xox...
The answer is yes, our body will like Jesus the flesh will finally put off those things sin caused it today to do die.
 

Laura798

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The Pharisees and Saduccees studied the Old Testament which pointed to Christ, yet they called Jesus a blasphemer, they said he had a demon, were jealous of Him and eventually had him tortured and killed.

There will always be those that cling to their beliefs, but God is right there in HIs word! He tells us who He is and what His plan is for mankind. There are hundreds of verses that God's judgment of sin without faith in his Son, is LITERAL death. Other words used are destroy, destruction, perish, die. Unlike, eternal fire and eternal judgment--again the fire is figurative and it's important to note it is the FIRE that is eternal, not the object. It signifies complete and total destruction as evidenced of all the literal verses found in the bible. Imagine these verses on a scale--on one hand the literal, the other the figurative. If one takes a few minutes to study this they will see for years they have believed a lie.

God was angered and disturbed when the Israelites began to worship Baal and burn their children in the fire as a sacrifice. God does not contradict his own moral standards.

"They have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I never commanded or spoke of, nor did it ever enter My mind."--Jeremiah 19:5

"But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”--Exodus 33:20 is another proof text--we will all stand before Him at the judgment and only those covered by Christ's righteousness will live.
 

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Funny, it was the prospect of hell that got me saved. There was nothing corrupt about the man who led me to Christ.
Hey Gideon,

Let me say, I don't minimize your conversion experience in the least. But you are the Messiah's because He called you as there have been many others who have heard about Hell (when The Messiah was preached to them) and yet shrugged it all off.

But your post brings back to the fore something I was getting at (that i may not have come out and said directly...i dunno...I've read through and written multiple posts on multiple threads and it's all jumbled now lol), but the doctrine of the immortal soul necessitates the doctrine of eternal torture.

When the early CC created the doctrine of the immortal soul during one of their councils they quickly realized there was no longer consequences for bad behavior if they preached it.

And as has been reasoned here by some regarding the gospel; if we assume everyone is innately immortal as a premise - regardless of their belief in Messiah or their behavior towards others - then if there is no place of torture for eternal beings it renders the CC's purpose as priests over the church futile (and those lucrative "indulgences" they'd been paid wouldn't have happened).

[This was all before the protestant reformation. A person could pay a fee to the CC to get an indulgence allowing them to commit ANY sin free and clear, so imagine the darkness that ensued. They'd also pay money to make sure their "dead" loved ones weren't suffering and could enter heaven.]

So the gospel had to be changed from "Believe in Messiah and you're saved from death (complete expiration) and will inherent immortality" to "Believe in Messiah and you're saved from forever suffering in Hell WHEN YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL SHEDS ITS EARTHLY BODY (because no one can ever really expire)."

Yet when we go back to the original keepers of the oracles of Truth (The Jews) just to reference their perspective - since their failure wasn't in baseline beliefs but in not seeing scripture fulfilled in Messiah - we dont find any teachings about man being innately immortal, but rather that "death" means "complete expiration" and that they prayed to be remembered by the Almighty (in His books of remembrance) because at any moment He could restore them back to existence if He "knows" them vs "never knowing" them.

Blessings.
 

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The OP asks "what are your thoughts"... I'm pulling forward a post I made in the past:



Post #46 [& #47] - (changed up the formatting & edited somewhat for this present post) -

https://christianchat.com/threads/too-late-after-our-death.194282/post-4350490


Consider a post I made in the past:

[quoting]

Consider the specific phrase below [in distinction from other similar phrases that refer to distinct things]... the blanks are where this particular phrase should be inserted, in the following:

"unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" -

(what we call "forever" / "eternity" / "eternal" / endlessness, etc),

...found in the following verses:


--Galatians 1:5;
Philippians 4:20;
1 Timothy 1:17;
2 Timothy 4:18;
Hebrews 13:21
("[to Whom] be glory _____" ; "be honour and glory _____");


--1 Peter 4:11;
1 Peter 5:11;
Revelation 1:6
("to Him/Whom be glory/praise/dominion ____");


--Revelation 1:18;
Revelation 4:9;
Revelation 4:10;
Revelation 5:14;
Revelation 10:6;
Revelation 15:7
("I am alive ____" ; "[Him] Who/that liveth ____" ; "God, Who liveth ____");


--Revelation 5:13;
Revelation 7:12;
Revelation 11:15;
Revelation 22:5
("and unto the Lamb ___" ; "be unto our God ____" ; "and He shall reign ____" ; "and they shall reign ___");



[which ones of the above look to be saying something like "long-but-limited-time-period"??]



--and used in the 3 verses usually "under question":

Revelation 14:11 [regarding those who receive the mark and worship the beast and his image]; and...

Revelation 19:3 [regarding the judgment of "the great whore"]; and...

Revelation 20:10 [regarding "the devil" and where "the beast and the false prophet" already are/will have been for the 1000 yrs]

--and "These two cast ALIVE into" Rev19:20 (@2nd Coming of Christ)... before Satan/the devil is thereafter (after the 1000 yrs) "cast into the lake of fire" where, it says,

"they [plural] shall be tormented day and night [that is, continually] unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural] ";

--and the same place that (of "the dead [/unsaved of all times]") "whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into" also
(see Psalm 69:28 where TWO DISTINCT things/actions/writings are named);

--not to mention where "death and hell/hades" are also to be "cast into" per v.14

--this being the equivalent of the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22,[23], found in v.22b...

...in other words, "hell/hades" (and "death") is what PRECEDES this point in the chronology,

...and thus what FOLLOWS this point in the chronology is "death and hell/hades DELIVERED UP the DEAD that were in them" for this final carrying out of the sentence, so to speak, of which this passage states that it ('the lake of fire') is:

"for ever and ever"/"unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]"

i.e. there is no "escaping" this, no "dying [escape / separation] out-from this / out-of this," as "death" is the last enemy to be "destroyed [G2673 - katargeó/katargeitai - 'to make completely inoperative' or 'to put out of use,']" at that time (@GWTj point in the chronology)


[21x total, I believe]


[end quoting that post]



____________

[after someone had mentioned "torture"]

The word is "tormented [G928]" not "torture."

The same word is used in the Gospels @ Matthew 8:5-6 - "5 And He having entered into Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, imploring Him, 6 and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying in the house paralyzed, grievously tormented [G928].”


[and Post #47]

... and a related word in Matthew 4:24 - "And the news of Him went out into all Syria. And they brought to Him all the sick having various diseases and oppressing pains [G931], and being possessed by demons, and having seizures, and paralytics--and He healed them."

[found in Lk16:23,28 also]

____________

[and from another thread...a related post...]

[note to readers: Matt24:3 is not this ^ phrase, but is instead the phrase "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (see also Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50), and is speaking of an entirely distinct point-in-time in the chronology, that is, at the time surrounding Christ's Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom

...(i.e. the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23]--i.e. Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:3,5),

...aka [for the MK-->] "the age [singular] to come"...

...(not at the GWTj point in time [the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in that Isaiah passage], to be clear)]


[end quoting from old posts]
 

Magenta

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The OP asks "what are your thoughts"... I'm pulling forward a post I made in the past:



Post #46 [& #47] - (changed up the formatting & edited somewhat for this present post) -

https://christianchat.com/threads/too-late-after-our-death.194282/post-4350490


Consider a post I made in the past:

[quoting]

Consider the specific phrase below [in distinction from other similar phrases that refer to distinct things]... the blanks are where this particular phrase should be inserted, in the following:

"unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" -

(what we call "forever" / "eternity" / "eternal" / endlessness, etc),

...found in the following verses:


--Galatians 1:5;
Philippians 4:20;
1 Timothy 1:17;
2 Timothy 4:18;
Hebrews 13:21
("[to Whom] be glory _____" ; "be honour and glory _____");


--1 Peter 4:11;
1 Peter 5:11;
Revelation 1:6
("to Him/Whom be glory/praise/dominion ____");


--Revelation 1:18;
Revelation 4:9;
Revelation 4:10;
Revelation 5:14;
Revelation 10:6;
Revelation 15:7
("I am alive ____" ; "[Him] Who/that liveth ____" ; "God, Who liveth ____");


--Revelation 5:13;
Revelation 7:12;
Revelation 11:15;
Revelation 22:5
("and unto the Lamb ___" ; "be unto our God ____" ; "and He shall reign ____" ; "and they shall reign ___");



[which ones of the above look to be saying something like "long-but-limited-time-period"??]



--and used in the 3 verses usually "under question":

Revelation 14:11 [regarding those who receive the mark and worship the beast and his image]; and...

Revelation 19:3 [regarding the judgment of "the great whore"]; and...

Revelation 20:10 [regarding "the devil" and where "the beast and the false prophet" already are/will have been for the 1000 yrs]

--and "These two cast ALIVE into" Rev19:20 (@2nd Coming of Christ)... before Satan/the devil is thereafter (after the 1000 yrs) "cast into the lake of fire" where, it says,

"they [plural] shall be tormented day and night [that is, continually] unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural] ";

--and the same place that (of "the dead [/unsaved of all times]") "whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into" also
(see Psalm 69:28 where TWO DISTINCT things/actions/writings are named);

--not to mention where "death and hell/hades" are also to be "cast into" per v.14

--this being the equivalent of the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22,[23], found in v.22b...

...in other words, "hell/hades" (and "death") is what PRECEDES this point in the chronology,

...and thus what FOLLOWS this point in the chronology is "death and hell/hades DELIVERED UP the DEAD that were in them" for this final carrying out of the sentence, so to speak, of which this passage states that it ('the lake of fire') is:

"for ever and ever"/"unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]"

i.e. there is no "escaping" this, no "dying [escape / separation] out-from this / out-of this," as "death" is the last enemy to be "destroyed [G2673 - katargeó/katargeitai - 'to make completely inoperative' or 'to put out of use,']" at that time (@GWTj point in the chronology)


[21x total, I believe]


[end quoting that post]



____________

[after someone had mentioned "torture"]

The word is "tormented [G928]" not "torture."

The same word is used in the Gospels @ Matthew 8:5-6 - "5 And He having entered into Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, imploring Him, 6 and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying in the house paralyzed, grievously tormented [G928].”


[and Post #47]

... and a related word in Matthew 4:24 - "And the news of Him went out into all Syria. And they brought to Him all the sick having various diseases and oppressing pains [G931], and being possessed by demons, and having seizures, and paralytics--and He healed them."

[found in Lk16:23,28 also]

____________

[and from another thread...a related post...]

[note to readers: Matt24:3 is not this ^ phrase, but is instead the phrase "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (see also Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50), and is speaking of an entirely distinct point-in-time in the chronology, that is, at the time surrounding Christ's Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom

...(i.e. the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23]--i.e. Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:3,5),

...aka [for the MK-->] "the age [singular] to come"...

...(not at the GWTj point in time [the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words in that Isaiah passage], to be clear)]


[end quoting from old posts]
Very confusing layout. Torture is a synonym of torment. Hell has been mistranslated multiple times from at least four different words in the original languages in Scripture, adding to the confusion around this issue.
 

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He likes you because you've compromised. It's not difficult to do that if being liked is our goal.
Now he has been told that he can be saved or not. There is no lasting consequence for not being saved.
I came in the manner of the Lord, not condemning him for his sins. His wife is a believer so the benefit of my connection to his family is not only his own.
He already knew he could be saved or not. He also knows God is real primarily because of the Holy Spirit and secondarily because he sees the Father in me. His life and family life are better because he listens to my direction (I know this because his wife tells me so). He is the son who says he won’t do what the father tells him but does it anyway. :)

Without getting too off-topic, the church bears much responsibility for the rejection of God. The “god” they present is often vindictive, racist, and temperamental… just like them.
 

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Hell has been mistranslated multiple times from at least four different words in the original languages in Scripture, adding to the confusion around this issue.
I really do not think you read my post, because I had said (regarding the CHRONOLOGY):



...in other words, "hell/hades" (and "death") is what PRECEDES this point in the chronology,

...and thus what FOLLOWS this point in the chronology is "death and hell/hades DELIVERED UP the DEAD that were in them" for this final carrying out of the sentence, so to speak, of which this passage states that it ('the lake of fire') is:
"for ever and ever"/"unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]"

i.e. there is no "escaping" this, no "dying [escape / separation] out-from this / out-of this," as "death" is the last enemy to be "destroyed [G2673 - katargeó/katargeitai - 'to make completely inoperative' or 'to put out of use,']" at that time (@GWTj point in the chronology)
 

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Dear Rosemary,

I understand that not everyone on this site is familiar with scripture. Firstly, man is mortal and only believers receive the gift of eternal life. The bible says over and over and over again that the unbeliever is destroyed, they perish, they die. I'm not sure where you got the idea that an unbeliever would receive a new body--that is nowhere to be found in scripture.

Genesis 6:3 - So the LORD said, My Spirit won't remain with human beings forever, because they're truly mortal. Their lifespan will be 120 years. Verses on man's mortality: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Mortal

In Hebrews God Himself is called a "consuming fire", referring to his wrath--note that his fire is CONSUMING. The definition of
Consume: to do away with completely : DESTROY

Eternal Fire is figurative for complete destruction--it is not a literal fire. Recall the first lie told to Adam and Eve in the garden "You shall not surely die." You may want to look thru previous posts--many verses were quoted regarding the end of the wicked.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Read full chapter · Romans 6:23

"But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off."--Psalms 37:38

"Don’t be intimidated in any way by your enemies. This will be a sign to them that they are going to be destroyed, but that you are going to be saved, even by God himself."---Phillippians 1:28

"But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers, who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction."--2 Peter 2:1

We must test scripture against scripture; and not go by what we have been taught by men. Jesus spoke with figurative language and parables; eternal fire is literally destruction--note it is the fire that burns eternally NOT the object--we know it means destruction and death because it says so in so many other verses.



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Same devil,same liar!

As he told Adam and Eve " you shall not surely die"

Surely God didn't mean a real lake of with REAL fire for ALL ETERNITY!

The two in the garden bought the lie as you have bought this one!

Lol figuratively.. Lol

Your espousals are contrary to Gods word and therefore are false.........