Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

Kakashi · May 10, 2009

Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

( Note: I wanted to add the word "biblical" to the title before the word " subject", but didn't have enough room lol)

Just saying. Since I've had some time to myself cause school is done, I've had lots of time to peruse here. But in this particular section it seems that some people(not all of them) who think they are right on a biblical subject can be...well it seems like they can be a bit full of themselves. i can understand that sometimes be can get in spirited debate, but there's no excuse for having a 'holier than thou art because I'm more knowledgeable about something" Isn't it pointless being a knowledgeable christian if all we do with it it is misuse it for our own egos? Dosen't the bible say:

1Cr 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1Cr 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

I know there are tons of loving people here and I see them a lot! But it breaks my heart when we fight and bicker sometimes because some people want to be right and be a jerk about it rather than try to correct with a better attitude. cause, even though this is the internet, you can tell when someone is being stuck up about something sometimes and it causes more division than we already have. I'm willing to accept that each of us has varying beliefs, but love should be a common factor ya?. Ok, I'm done ranting. Your thoughts?

goth4god · May 10, 2009

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I totally agree with you on this. thats why i try to stay away from the debate type topics.

Kakashi · May 10, 2009

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I was discussing this with my friend Aaron about the internet and how people act on it. I guarantee you some of the things people say on the internet, much less here would be said to people in person, but it's easy to be mean spirited towards someone without a face in front of you able to respond immediately. It's a matter of lack of immediate consequences.

Still, like you said, people should think before they hit "reply"

Thaddaeus · May 10, 2009

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most times when they look like a jerk, is when they are right, because it is so hard for people to admit that what they have been taught all their life might not be true, or what they believe might not be Bible. it is a type of pride that kicks in when we are proven wrong, when we get to the point that we see the truth, or we know we can't prove them wrong then we have to find something wrong, somewhere with them so then we attack them or their way of statement, this is way Paul said Ga 4:16Am I therefore become your enemy, because I TELL YOU THE TRUTH?
so they are not really jerks , it is our fleshly defense kicking in a type of defense, so we will feel better even though we are wrong they are jerks for telling us we are wrong. maybe I shouldn't have said this someone may think I am a Jerk

You think that some of the scribes and pharisees evr thought that John the Baptist was a jerk when he called them vipers:

Mt 3:7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

suaso · May 10, 2009

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I don't think there is ever a moment when anything justifies acting like a jerk, especially when it comes to matters of faith. Charity (love) is a great virtue to practice at all times, and acting like a jerk flies in the face of it. The reason people act like jerks is pride. God grants grace to people to know him. This grace is faith. Faith is gift. No one earns faith, no one earns grace, it is given by God. Why boast of something you do not have of your own accord? When people act like jerks because God has given them the gift to be able to understand scriptures well, they act in pride as if they know scripture simply because they are really smart or something. Some people very well might "know" the scriptures superficially, but when they are boastful and condescending with their "knowledge," they prove that they really don't know the scriptures like they think they do or they would live them by acting with love, patience, and kindness. Even the devil "knows" the Bible. Satan could probably beat us all collectively with his knowledge of the scriptures. Knowing the most about the Bible means squat if you can't apply that knowledge and live it. We fail to live it when we throw our superior knowledge in the face of others who might have a harder time grasping it.

carpetmanswife · May 10, 2009

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in a word .... no! ..... thanks for ur comments , like my pastor says" Lets just love the hell out of em " lol ..

BLC · May 10, 2009

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To Whom It Concerns,

If someone is going around, in the name of God, and is telling people (on this site) that there is no trinity and that Jesus Christ is not God and that God never came here to earth in the flesh, and never took upon Himself the form of a servant made in the likeness of men, and denies that Christ was saying that He was God when He said, 'that before Abraham was I am' (John 8:58), what do you do? Do you know how much of the scripture they deny and oppose to come to that conclusion? Do you have any idea how that effects the cross of Christ and the blood that He shed? Do you think the Holy Spirit, that raised Christ from the dead, agrees with him? Don't you have the Holy Spirit? If you do, does the Spirit in you agree with him?

What he says grieves the Holy Spirit because he is living and speaking a lie. If someone came to you and lied about your best friend, would you just sit there and say nothing or would you tell them it was a lie and to stop spreading the lie or else? For me to say these things about this person or any other that is like him or agrees with him, am I judging them and being unkind and unloving? Have you tried to convince them of the truth in love? Do you accuse those that do as condescending and condemning? If there were not those that spoke out against this spirit of error in times past, you may have never been able to hear the unadulterated glorious gospel of Jesus Christ. There are others on this site that said they would not tolerate this kind of error and would come out against it, but where are they?

Baruch · May 10, 2009

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Kakashi said:

One has to understand though that unity is not the good fight, but keeping the faith is. Is it love to ignore a brother in a trespass? Jesus said no. Is it love for anyone to be engaging in a practise that denies Him as having bought them and sealed as His? No. Is it love to forget about all that pertains to our faith and just have fellowship with everyone that professes Christ... Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and any other words or deeds that you would not care to be saying nor doing to represent Jesus Christ and your faith in Him? No.

False prophets are prophesied by Jesus to come into the churches so bad that just before His appearing, only a few will find the faith. It is one thing when someone preaches the Gospel; it is another thing when they preach in the next breath that which voids the effects of the Godpel. This is why correction is needed. Paul did it by the grace of God.

Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

So there is a need for keeping the faith and that is to be done out of love for those that believe in His name. More often timesthan not, the wayward would rather defend their practises and their supernatural experiences with all that is contrary to the simplicity of the Gospel rather concede to the faith that is in Jesus Christ to be witnesses of what He has done, being bought as His and sealed with that spirit of adoption. So this charge is given to the saints to do so by His grace till He takes us Home to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb... which is to His glory... and yes, many shall not be able to.

2 Timothy 4:
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 9Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:

Dragoon9 · May 10, 2009

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Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. (Ephesian 4:15)

I think you're right that even if we have the 'truth', we need to be careful how we deliver it. A wise man in God once said that if we do God's will in God's ways, then we will never lack for God's support. I've always thought of the ability to speak the truth in love as related to the spiritual gift of teaching, and also to maturity in our faith. Yet, if you are mature in your faith, and your Brethren is not, what then is your duty?

I take some guidance from this;
...whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God-- even as I try to please everybody in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved. (1Cor 10:31b-33)

I know that I am weak in this. I often let my pride stand in the way of my humility... even when I know my humility would bring more glory to my Father and His work. Please pray for me in this regard.

DaveScotland · May 10, 2009

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I think you make a great point Kakeshi well some debate over Scripture etc is expected we have a wide community of people on the sit, it should be done in a constructive way and if i am wrong on something then i think its good that some people will point that out. But you do get some people who post on almost every thread often being very rude completely changing what the thread was about. I think its about time a Mod stepped in a put some control overit, I hate to think of a newish Christian coming on this site and reading the forums it could to great damage to thier faith and understanding of the word

suaso · May 10, 2009

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One saying from another wise man of God that I always keep close to my heart is this:

"Preach the Gospel at all times, and, if necessary, use words."
- St. Francis of Assisi.

This is profoundly true. We must always preach the Gospel by our actions (love, kindness, mercy, compassion, etc) and inactions (restraint, moderation, sobriety, prudence, temperance, refusing to partake in bad things). It is not enough to quote the Bible. We have billboards that can do that just as easily. What is it to say "Christ died for our sins" in one breath and insult others with the next. It is like this kid I knew. He had two little sisters and a little brother. The youngest sister kept hitting the little brother. The bigger sister yanked the little sister of the gound, and swatting her legs, said "We don't hit people!" How confusing! In other words: don't say one thing and then do another thing. This is called contradiction. When we say we are Christians and act like jerks, we are contradicting the Gospel that we claim to be living.

Dragoon9 · May 10, 2009

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Shalom Baruch,

Do not forget though, that in the text before Paul gives that injunction to Timothy, he also says;

"People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- having a form of godliness but denying it's power. Have nothing to do with them." (2 Ti 3:2-5)

and then contrasts this with;

"...my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings..." (2 Ti 3:11)

This in turn was building upon Paul's earlier instructions to Timothy to;

"Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." (2 Ti 2:22-24)

I absolutely agree with you that we are to preach the fullness of the word with boldness... but Paul instructs Timothy to do this only after lengthy preparation in discussing the need to do so in love and patience.

As in so many things with God, He almost seems to call us to two extremes at the same time. To be entirely bold; correcting and rebuking... and simultaneously to be entirely humble; loving and patient.

Some people comment that they think Christianity was created by man. I look at teachings such as this, and can only say that from man such things are impossible, but from God they merely give a glimpse unto the Great "I Am".

What a wonderful God we have!

Baruch · May 10, 2009

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DaveScotland said:

2 Timothy 2:2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

I would believe "out of season" would make such deviation from the thread as appropriate. I would like to remind you as an example of this from one of your threads: you deviated from the topic of the OP by using famous names as validating the Message as the Bible of choice. From it, I expounded on what you opened as another topic within your thread to not use famous names for validation when you should be asking Jesus for the validation. To explain why one should not use famous names for validation, I had to address one of the names you mentioned: Billy Graham; in the error he taught by giving a religious guantlet to believers that were not sure about their salvation.. to come forward and make a commitment to follow Christ as if we can finish what He started by the flesh... which we can't.

You may call that "foul", but in all respect, you deviated from the topic to re-enforce your use of the Message... which you were questioning which version of the Message to use in the OP.

Just posting this as a reminder and in application to what you had just posted in this thread. I can understand you being "irked", but you had thrown the question out there in the forum for advise and suggestions on the use of the Message in your teaching class. As in any forum, you can take the advise, suggestion, and/or warning, or you can ignore it. I cannot make you do anything, but show my concern and the reasons why you should give pause and take the matter to the Lord Jesus in prayer.

BLC · May 10, 2009

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Dragoon9, DaveScotland, suaso,

You have no problem coming here and giving advice how believers are to act and how they are to approach issues. Why don't you put that advice into action and be a doer of the word and not a hearer and adviser only. Practice what you are preaching and mix some faith with it and make it profitable. Anybody can come on here and do what you do and give advice. How are you going to deal with the guy that denies that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and he starts propagating it? You going to sit there and take it like a spiritually mature man of God and not be argumentative? How profound and what wisdom and love! You going to turn the other cheek and say, 'Father forgive them for they know not what they do', while they deceive others with their error? Are you going to love them out of it as others have suggested? Grow up and be a man of God! Defend the faith that saved you. Stick up for the incorruptible seed that regenerated you through mercy. Don't deny Jesus Christ and His words less He deny you to the Father. Wake up!

Eph 5:13-17 'But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is'.

DaveScotland · May 10, 2009

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Baruch said:

That post just proved my point about changing topics to form an argument, My original post about the message was asking people who read the message what was the best version of it , You attacked the message because it wasnt the KJV then posted a link which i didnt agree with., and then i gave my opinion about it and mentioned that it was endorsed by a few writers you then changed it into an attack of Billy Graham and about false prophets etc, completely changing my original question. There are other Christians on this site besides you. but you hold the forums hostage posting controversial post after controversial post, often being about it. I am sure i am not the only one who feels this way. It is getting beyond a joke

http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=2268, This is the original thread for anyone who has no idea what we are talking about, lol

Dragoon9 · May 10, 2009

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Hello BLC,

Please excuse my confusion, but how have I been

I've posted scripture related to the questions/comments, along with my own thoughts/meditations on the matter. If you refer to my posting of scripture, then I'm afraid I have no apologies for you there

As to your other remarks, if I am in any way not walking along the narrow path set before me by my Lord Jesus Christ, then I would welcome any instruction and correction any person would care to offer. If I have not strayed from that path, then why and in whose name do you accuse me?

missy2shoes · May 10, 2009

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goth4god said:

Same.............

Baruch · May 10, 2009

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Dragoon9 said:

The emboldened blued portion of your quote is that which I lean on Jesus to guide me into doing, and yes, He is the Wonderful Counselor and Prince of Peace. Amen.

One cannot really rebuke anyone in this "open forum" in the manner that it is being done here below:

Titus 3:9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

I believe in that manner above, it is for the assembly of believers in fellowship.

A forum is more of an outreach for the Gospel message and edification in regards to our faith as well as for giving cause for alarms in the hopes that believers will take pause and take it to Jesus in prayer for confirmation and further wisdom on any subject matter since He is the Good Shepherd.

I can only hope as I lean on Him to help me not to strive with man as in being argumentative.. and I admit getting heated with Mahogony_Snail, but the Lord led me to apologize as I was getting too involved in the concern I had for him.... being carnal in expounding on his lack of not knowing how to apply uncleanness in the NT when I knew all along that only God can cause the increase. How many times has He tried to correct me, and I did not get it till years later? Still after He got me past all my rationalization, the rationalization of the church, and the world, I forgot that I had to be able to receive His correction and getting past the norm.. the routine.. what has been "accepted" to the chastening by the scriptures in the knowledge of Him so that my evil deeds may be reproved by Him... so will it be for others... as Jesus will do His work, causing the increase and not by my persuasion as I shall give Him the glory for what He has done for others as well as what He has done for me.

And if it be God's will that He takes me out of here, so be it. Just another reason to give Him thanks.

Baruch · May 10, 2009

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Ummm.... I think any further statement from me would just be leading beyond sharing to being defensive and thus argumentative. I had only wished to convey a point in how we get so set in our routine that we do not question what we do.. what we say.. what church we attend ... what television evangelist leads us to do....or what Bible we read that influences us in our walk with Him. God addressed the seven churches for an on the spot examination in regards to the faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If believers do not want to take pause no matter how many red flags the Lord would have me raised up by His grace, then so be it.

The Lord will finish His work in all of us, including the ones left behind at the rapture event as I trust Him to take me out of here as I am nothing, meaning it is His workmanship that shall be glorified in us as He gets all the glory. The only reason why all the saints would cast ther crowns at His feet. He did it.

BLC · May 10, 2009

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Don't worry, you'll be going up when Christ comes for His bride before the great tribulation. If you are alive when he comes, you will be thanking God along with the dead in Christ to meet the Lord in the air. Christ will have His reward with Him and we will ever be with the LORD forever. Those are the words that we comfort one another with and that is the mercy of the LORD that we keep looking for with great expectation. That is the fullness of joy that we have in Christ, the hope of glory.

Rev 22:7,12 and verse 20 ...'He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus'.

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